Les_the_Sarge_9_1 -> Would you actually buy it though (10/18/2002 9:32:58 PM)
Would you purchase a game if it was just a computerised sans AI exact reproduction of an already existing board game?
The reason I ask.... is because the common comment seems to state, computer games are better because at least I can find an opponent.
This is all well and good, but if I am a good example, most experiences with computer games, have had little to do with playing them against other persons through online links ups of any sort.
I have the game Advanced Third Reich.
To be honest, if you told me you were about to release the computer version of it, one that was an EXACT copy of the board game, no alterations whatsoever, and promised the AI was top of the line, I would settle for laughing at you as if you had said something patently stupid.
If you had said you were releasing the same said game, zero effort wasted on AI because there was none. If you told me you had spent all the development effort on producing a state of the art online link up program that ensure goof proof cheat proof fast resolution of turns. I would start looking for junk I suddenly no longer required that I could sell for fast cash to buy your product.
Advanced Third Reich is the pinnacle of it genre. Programers are quite frankly wasting their time pretending to tell me they can do the same thing on the first try.
It took A3R more than a decade to become the pinnacle of its class.
Take Strategic Command from Battlefront as a great example. A great game, a nice price, well supported by fans and company alike. But it is just and I do mean just, barely able to get close to what Third Reich was on it's first edition (flaws and all).
I for one do not expect to see SC version 5 on sale now in 10 years time.
Software sales and tech are not that kind. In 10 years time no one will even remember the name Strategic Command. But they will remember what Advanced Third Reich is.
And A3R will still have the same trouble it has now I suppose. It will be a board game looking for an audience.
I would love to play Fire in the East, can't, the game map is 6' x 8' and I have no where to put it.
I would love to play The Longest Day, can't, the game is a 5.5' x 5.5' map, no where to put it routinely.
I would like to play several games that are more or less already perfectly well thought out designs, but I basically need an opponent.
Programers listen up, we don't need any new games, we need you to let us play what we have got now.
You don't need to yet again re invent the wheel. Besides, the market is the same size it was in the past. You won't be getting rich off us any time soon constantly re inventing the wheel.
Steel Panthers to me, is essentially Advanced Squad Leader. The only reason I play Steel Panthers, is because essentially, in my mind, I am actually really just playing ASL on my computer.
Combat Leader will only interest me for one reason, the software will be more or less up to date where my OS is concerned.
I won't be buying it because the graphics are prettier, or the sounds more cool. It won't sell me on internal technical details, frankly I don't tend to ponder the numbers on my ASL counters much either.
I am assuming the game designers can read text books and have used decent references to arrive at whether such and such tank was depicted credibly.
The only thing that will make me NOT play Combat Leader, is if the game is less fun than just getting out my ASL game components.
As it currently stands, I have seen the demo for computer World in Flames. As we speak, I have no intention of playing it. I would rather find a way to use the board game, its still easier.
So the question is not whether you think computer games are better (I could care less to hear opinions ad nauseum on that matter).
I am only interested in knowing, would you joe gamer, pay a typical software price, to play what you might already have sitting on a shelf.
If it was a categorical copy of the game on the shelf. True to the game on the shelf, and only sold as a human to human only concept. By that I mean, completely and totally, with no effort or time wasted on the assumption, that suddenly computers were capable of actually thinking like us (and they can't).
I want to play what I already have. I don't need tomorrows game, I want to play the games I already like.
I am not in love with graphics. The only reason I have Combat Mission on the computer at all, is I have the demo software available as a file exchange.
It's not better than ASL simply because it is NOT ASL and I want ASL.
If I want to play at that level of detail, I will resort to table top miniatures wargaming in 1/35th scale with my Tamiya tank models (they look even more cool than the images on the screen).