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vinnie71 -> A few ship related questions (4/20/2011 10:34:48 AM)

Maybe someone can clarify these queries

What would happen to a ship which is being repaired by an ARD floating dock and then the dock is sunk? Will it be sunk as well? (Actually can an ARD be sunk in port???)

Has anyone ever used or seen PT boats engage enemy subs? I'm asking because in my game the AI has several subs in Osthaven, within easy reach of my PTs in Batavia. Still the latter never engaged the subs. Now I'm going to try a raid by MLs I have in the area ...

Do players using the Allied forces use Cruiser/destroyer raider units into Japanese ports? For that matter, does anyone actually send allied subs in Jap ports?

Finally, just a question our of curiosity, why do the Dutch PT boats get an 'upgrade' which actually reduces their capabilities?

Tnx in advance






USSAmerica -> RE: A few ship related questions (4/20/2011 3:05:12 PM)

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Has anyone ever used or seen PT boats engage enemy subs? I'm asking because in my game the AI has several subs in Osthaven, within easy reach of my PTs in Batavia. Still the latter never engaged the subs. Now I'm going to try a raid by MLs I have in the area ...


I can answer this one. If subs are in a TF, then they can only be engaged by enemy platforms that have ASW capability. If they are in port then it takes a Bombardment mission or Port Attack air mission to hit them.

Wait, I take that back. There is at least the rare occasion where a sub on sub attack occurs. Subs don't have ASW devices/capability (not like today), but they can catch enemy subs from time to time. Maybe there is hope for your PT's.




vinnie71 -> RE: A few ship related questions (4/21/2011 12:02:40 PM)

Ok thanks, I was thinking that since they were in a friendly port, they would be surfaced and therefore easy to engage. Guess I'll send in a couple of destroyers to sink them at their moorings...

Anything about the other queries?




crsutton -> RE: A few ship related questions (4/21/2011 4:14:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Offworlder

Maybe someone can clarify these queries

What would happen to a ship which is being repaired by an ARD floating dock and then the dock is sunk? Will it be sunk as well? (Actually can an ARD be sunk in port???)

Has anyone ever used or seen PT boats engage enemy subs? I'm asking because in my game the AI has several subs in Osthaven, within easy reach of my PTs in Batavia. Still the latter never engaged the subs. Now I'm going to try a raid by MLs I have in the area ...

Do players using the Allied forces use Cruiser/destroyer raider units into Japanese ports? For that matter, does anyone actually send allied subs in Jap ports?

Finally, just a question our of curiosity, why do the Dutch PT boats get an 'upgrade' which actually reduces their capabilities?

Tnx in advance





It would be very rare. I have seen surface ships run over and kill a crippled sub while it was returning to base. I suppose that PTs could do this as well. Otherwise subs are pretty much submerged for game purposes.

Dunno about the ARD. I would not put them in a place where they could be sunk.

Surface TFs are on steroids in AE. You can pretty much run them into any port for surface raiding and bombardment runs. I don't know why but defensive mines and CD guns seem to be fairly impotent to stop them. They only seem to work vs invasions forces. On a rare occasion one might hit a mine but it happens so little that I consider it to be an acceptable risk. I am torn by this as on one hand it is totally out of historical whack to see so many surface actions and bombardments but on the other hand everybody seems to enjoy a lot of surface action as it really increases the fun factor.

Subs on the other hand are different. It is dangerous to move them into any mined hex. I do send them into enemy ports that I know are not mined. I just don't leave them there for long.




inqistor -> RE: A few ship related questions (4/21/2011 7:34:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Offworlder
What would happen to a ship which is being repaired by an ARD floating dock and then the dock is sunk? Will it be sunk as well? (Actually can an ARD be sunk in port???)

I do not think sinking repairing ship would do any harm to other ships, being repaired by them.

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Has anyone ever used or seen PT boats engage enemy subs? I'm asking because in my game the AI has several subs in Osthaven, within easy reach of my PTs in Batavia. Still the latter never engaged the subs. Now I'm going to try a raid by MLs I have in the area ...

The only possibility would be attack on surface, but I do not think surface ships uses torpedoes in that case. SS would have to be badly damaged, or initiate engagement in this case. But it is probably possible only against unescorted merchants.

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Do players using the Allied forces use Cruiser/destroyer raider units into Japanese ports?

Your best bet would be catching ships during unloading, but you should avoid any port with CD guns, or mines.

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For that matter, does anyone actually send allied subs in Jap ports?

They will probably hit mines (and sink). I keep them in amphibious target hexes constantly, but they get high detection quickly. They attack sometimes, but you will get better results outside of planes detection range. But, of course, you can leave some mines in port, just make sure, there are no local-minesweepers present.




crsutton -> RE: A few ship related questions (4/21/2011 7:37:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: inqistor

quote:

ORIGINAL: Offworlder
What would happen to a ship which is being repaired by an ARD floating dock and then the dock is sunk? Will it be sunk as well? (Actually can an ARD be sunk in port???)

I do not think sinking repairing ship would do any harm to other ships, being repaired by them.

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Has anyone ever used or seen PT boats engage enemy subs? I'm asking because in my game the AI has several subs in Osthaven, within easy reach of my PTs in Batavia. Still the latter never engaged the subs. Now I'm going to try a raid by MLs I have in the area ...

The only possibility would be attack on surface, but I do not think surface ships uses torpedoes in that case. SS would have to be badly damaged, or initiate engagement in this case. But it is probably possible only against unescorted merchants.

quote:

Do players using the Allied forces use Cruiser/destroyer raider units into Japanese ports?

Your best bet would be catching ships during unloading, but you should avoid any port with CD guns, or mines.

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For that matter, does anyone actually send allied subs in Jap ports?

They will probably hit mines (and sink). I keep them in amphibious target hexes constantly, but they get high detection quickly. They attack sometimes, but you will get better results outside of planes detection range. But, of course, you can leave some mines in port, just make sure, there are no local-minesweepers present.



Surface ship will fire torpedoes at subs that have been forced to the surface. I have seen it a time or two in my games. And, oddly enough the Japanese sub no matter how crippled will fire off a salvo of torpedoes when forced to surface.




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