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Nikademus -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/10/2011 3:20:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

You raise a number of questions for which I have no answers. Yet I hear many, many people in RL and online toss off "Just build your own. It's easy!"



Building a computer system is not rocket science, i'll be the first to admit, however i would not catagorically state its "easy" either. I only started building my own systems after i became professionally certified in computer hardware and viewed such as a "graduation exercise."

Prior to that, I did not have the confidence to attempt such and ordered my systems custom built which is the next best thing to building your own. The biggest scare factor, outside of lack of knowledge of course....is the risk. When you buy a system, there's a warrenty and technical support. When you build your own.......you are on your own, and that can be a lonely position to be in when your spending hundreds to thousands of dollars on components.....trying not to think of what you'll do once you hit the power and worst case......nothing happens. (or worse....the box explodes into a shower of sparks) [:D]

If one has never done it before, doesn't have all the knowledge and/or doesn't have someone readilly available to guide one through their first build....then it is safer and better to have it built for you. I still recommend steering clear of big name brand machines. Order a custom rig through a small business you trust, or a computer guru you know.








ilovestrategy -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/10/2011 3:58:41 PM)

I bought a Cyberpower gaming PC in October 2007 and it still runs strong. Haven't had a problem with it.




frank1970 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/10/2011 6:33:21 PM)

Due to a burnout of my MoBo I decided to let build a neew machine.

It is quite fast, works very well when I fumble around with videos (therefore the really big RAM).
The whole system was about 1100,- euro

The SSD is improving the performance of the machine. Although it was quite expensive, imho it is worth the price.
The windows performance level is 7.3.

Possibly you might want to use some of the parts in your machine.



Computer:
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Betriebssystem Windows 7 Professional Media Center Edition
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Motherboard:
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Arbeitsspeicher 16384 MB (DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM)
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DIMM2: Corsair CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9 4 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM (9-9-9-24 @ 666 MHz) (8-8-8-22 @ 592 MHz) (7-7-7-19 @ 518 MHz) (6-6-6-16 @ 444 MHz)
DIMM3: Corsair CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9 4 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM (9-9-9-24 @ 666 MHz) (8-8-8-22 @ 592 MHz) (7-7-7-19 @ 518 MHz) (6-6-6-16 @ 444 MHz)
DIMM4: Corsair CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9 4 GB DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM (9-9-9-24 @ 666 MHz) (8-8-8-22 @ 592 MHz) (7-7-7-19 @ 518 MHz) (6-6-6-16 @ 444 MHz)
BIOS Typ AMI (04/15/10)

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Nikademus -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/10/2011 8:17:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sredni
I've long been tempted to build my own computer, but there's a few things that keep holding me back. The numbers on RAM elude my understanding for instance. The four timing numbers, the actual speed of the ram, it's all greek to me. bleh.


At risk of gasps from both my own inner-Geek as well as other Geek infected parties out there, I'll give you a pragmatic outlook. In all honesty you don't need to stress about the RAM numbers. As already mentioned...the main things you only really need to be concerned with is RAM type (DDR2/DDR3 etc) and that you are (when building) getting RAM of the same type/make/manufacturer. Mhz speed can be important but like the GHz difference in CPU's....the odds of you detecting a notable difference between say 1333MHz RAM and 1600Mhz (hypothetical example), are slim and dependant on the program being run. Having mismatched RAM is doable.....most of the time you won't have an issue....the memory channel will just run at the speed of the slowest RAM installed. Mismatched RAM 'can' in few cases cause instability issues and crashes but i've yet to experience it on machines i own or have serviced.


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Or 6gbs vs 3gbs for hard drive connections. About all I know for that is bigger=better, so why arn't they all just 6gbs? But all the MB's today only have 2 connections for 6gbs, leaving the rest as 3gbs. Now when I was thinking about my ideal system I wanted to have a separate drive for the OS, along with drives for normal operations, and then a backup drive to do backups to. With only 2 6gbs connections does that mean I can only have 2 drives at 6gbs? Or do the 2 drives I have setup in raid0 count as only one drive for connection purpose?


If SATA connections, its one connection per SATA HDD. If for some reason you want to use the old IDE (PATA) system, its two drives per IDE channel (connection). For fans of SCSI.....lol, ok...THAT can be a little confusing and its good to do some brush up reading before attempting.

3gbs vs. 6gbs. Honestly.....unless you have TB's worth of data to back up.....is this going to be an issue? I don't think so.

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Or the bios stuff. the initial setup of a computer sounds like a nightmare to me. A foreign language of pain and suffering.


For the most part only overclockers have to mess with the BIOS. Otherwise in most cases you can leave it either on AUTO for most settings or use the Defaults. It can be a good idea, as mentioned to ensure the "timing" settings for the RAM in the BIOS match the RAM you bought. (but again....AUTO [detect] usually does this for you. Many users....building or buying never have to mess with the BIOS.


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On the liquid cooling there are some interesting small closed system setups that are fairly cheap.


Overclocking is the only scenario i can imagine where one needs to even consider liquid cooling. Myself....i did have to purchase a "Coolmaster" fan/heat sink system for my Core2 as the meesly heatsink/FAN that came with my Intel processor was not up to the task and caused system shut downs due to CPU Heat. Once the coolmaster was installed (basically just a bigger beefier heatsink and a big a$$ fan) there were no heat issues. My MOB came with liquid cooling as an option but one look at the flimsy plastic tubes and flimsier plastic "ties" to connect them made me blanche at the idea of liquid shorting out my expensive board. No way was going to bother with that hassle and risk.

Building can be scary....but fun too. I love building systems for it's own sake. but then thats me and my inner geek. [:D]




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/10/2011 9:52:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hanzberger

Bullwinkle, I would go back to where you started. Go to Cyberpowerpc, build a computer (online) and this will atleast get you familiar with different parts. Then you can compare with other ppl's pre made machines. I am in the exact same boat as you. There is some good common sense advice here. Like not going for the best graphics card and stuff, or less ram now and put some in later. Things I have thought of doing. I think I still would like to have the liquid coolling just for the shear fact of where my computer is (the kitchen lol). I posted the online computer I built last month earlier in the thread. I am gonna wait until Sandy Bridge comes out and then compare prices to see if they have come tumblling down. But I tried to research each componet as I built it, that is why I like cyberpower. IMO I would stick with Intel.


I've been doing that at CyberPower and DigitalStorm both. Trading off. I still don't really get the video card piece, and there are about as many opinions on them as there cards themselves, and that's a lot of opinions.

I've also been looking at monitors, keyboards, and mice--the ergonomic stuff that I know from decades of experience will drive me a lot crazier than a little graphics hit if I get them wrong. I'm a pretty sensory person (as I have proven on this forum several times by not seeing little pieces of interface text right in front of my eyes), and I/O is really very important to me. I listen to a lot of music of many types from my PC as well, so sound is in there.

A lot to learn. I used to keep up on PC tech in real time back in the 90s, but it slowly plateaued in some areas, and my buying cycles got longer as the hardware got more standard and reliable. I have a lot of catching up to do this time.




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/10/2011 9:53:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: USS America


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ORIGINAL: stuman


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

You raise a number of questions for which I have no answers. Yet I hear many, many people in RL and online toss off "Just build your own. It's easy!"

Preparing a multi-state federal tax return for a limited partnership is easy too, if that's what you do all day.
I've seen up to six levels of liquid cooling in configuration pages, all the way from mini-coolers just for the CPU up to multi-line, multi-radiators including (I think) the CPU being immersed in a bath of coolant all of the time. I know they're efficient at heat removal, but having liquid anything flowing around 1000 watts of juice, including open-solder boards in slots, gives me the willies. Submarine training is all about never, ever trusting machines to not try to klill you.




Now THAT is one thing I am damn good at ! [:)]


Show off! [:'(]


I was going to say something, but I'm in too much awe. [:)]

This forum has at least one of each everything.




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/10/2011 10:11:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

Building a computer system is not rocket science, i'll be the first to admit, however i would not catagorically state its "easy" either. I only started building my own systems after i became professionally certified in computer hardware and viewed such as a "graduation exercise."

About ten years ago I got the A+ cert, the N+ cert, and started on the MCSE before chucking that and going to the local CC to get an AAS in database with a smattering of other IT stuff like a Java course, SQL, XML, intro Linux, etc. Never worked an IT job though. Divorce hit, I needed a job that week, and real estate sales beckoned. But I could confidently build the mechanicals of a system, and get the HD-O/S up and running. The part I have no confidence in is the primary BIOS stuff, any driver stuff deeper than a load disk, and configuring modern RAM. I could learn, but right now I just don't want to.[:)]

If one has never done it before, doesn't have all the knowledge and/or doesn't have someone readilly available to guide one through their first build....then it is safer and better to have it built for you. I still recommend steering clear of big name brand machines. Order a custom rig through a small business you trust, or a computer guru you know.

That last is what folks always say, but how many people out of their 20s still know "some guy" who builds computers in his spare bedroom? Years ago I knew guys like that--they had "BYTE" in ink on their foreheads where they fell asleep while reading. (If you don't know what I'm talking about you are very young.[:)]) There are no real "small shops" either, at least around me (Maybe SoCal is different.) They either get big and become a DigitalStorm or a CyberPower (both garage start-ups) or they get eaten by the margin monster as they can't get volume discounts, they can't afford marketing to drive demand to their door (and wouldn't know how to do that if they had money--they're tech guys), and the landlord and their banker don't care.

The CyberPowers of the industry fill that niche that "some guy" filled in the late 80s and 90s. Their challenge is to get big enough fast enough to cashflow out while simultaneously building the soft side of the business enough so customers trust them with a $2000-$6000 decision. I think CP and DS can each build a good computer. My challenge right now, if I go with one of them, is to judge which one can do it more nearly perfectly every time, first time. And which one, if they don't, has the infrastructure to correct their errors.





Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/10/2011 10:12:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I bought a Cyberpower gaming PC in October 2007 and it still runs strong. Haven't had a problem with it.



Good feedback. Thanks.




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/10/2011 10:19:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

Overclocking is the only scenario i can imagine where one needs to even consider liquid cooling.


Yeahbut, you live in the PacNorthWest, right? Move to Texas, have the A/C be lousy, and see how much you loves you some liquid cooling. [8D]




Nikademus -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/10/2011 10:27:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

[The part I have no confidence in is the primary BIOS stuff, any driver stuff deeper than a load disk, and configuring modern RAM. I could learn, but right now I just don't want to.[:)]



Your just running low on Geek. Drink a Rockstar. [:)]


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That last is what folks always say, but how many people out of their 20s still know "some guy" who builds computers in his spare bedroom? Years ago I knew guys like that--they had "BYTE" in ink on their foreheads where they fell asleep while reading. (If you don't know what I'm talking about you are very young.[:)])


<shrug> We are still around. I've been "that guy" for all my friends and a couple businesses for a number of years. I am young. I have no knowledge of BYTE.....or ANTIC......or ANALOG. nope. rings no bells with this young buck. [:D]


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There are no real "small shops" either, at least around me (Maybe SoCal is different.) They either get big and become a DigitalStorm or a CyberPower


There are three or more in my area alone. Its true alot have disapeared, but then again half of all small businesses fail. LoL....i note that "PC's for Everyone" in cambridge is still going strong. (they built my original custom built P4....before it was rebuilt the 2nd time at a local business (now defunct))

Anyway....good luck with your purchase. I'd build you one for no cost in labor but i'm in the middle of a move. [;)]




witpqs -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/11/2011 12:45:43 AM)

remember the OS when you upgrade! [:D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14&feature=player_embedded




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/11/2011 1:07:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

remember the OS when you upgrade! [:D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14&feature=player_embedded



Wow! Home movies!

Brings back memories of a lot of Saturday afternoons. Kids today have no idea.




Bearcat2 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/11/2011 1:12:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


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ORIGINAL: Termite2

Newegg sells cyberpower, reading their customer reviews can help, especially if it is a model you are looking at.


All I can find there is peripherals like UPSes. My impression was CyberPower (PCs) sells only direct? Newegg would add an extra profit margin to the channel.



Sorry about the late reply; but here is a link to Newegg with the Cyberpower PC's

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006736%2050012046&IsNodeId=1&name=CyberpowerPC




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/11/2011 1:30:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termite2


Sorry about the late reply; but here is a link to Newegg with the Cyberpower PC's

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006736%2050012046&IsNodeId=1&name=CyberpowerPC


Thanks. I'll take a look. Seems like an odd channel decision for CP.




Nikademus -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/11/2011 3:29:35 PM)

you might want to check these guys out too. I priced out a decent i7 system for $1800 there. As mentioned, they built a P4 for me back in the day. My customer experience with them was excellent.

http://www.pcsforeveryone.com/




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (3/11/2011 3:59:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nikademus

you might want to check these guys out too. I priced out a decent i7 system for $1800 there. As mentioned, they built a P4 for me back in the day. My customer experience with them was excellent.

http://www.pcsforeveryone.com/


I will. Still collecting data. Thanks.




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/24/2011 7:04:47 PM)

Well, Bessie died of heat stroke on Saturday. It wasn't pretty, it wasn't fast, and she went down fighting with the fans running like a 747 on take-off roll. I'm back to looking after a hiatus to buy a big screen, flat screen plus uber-sound trim. We will never go to a movie theater again.

On an ancient laptop now I cann ot type on. (See?) This week I'm kind of busy getting married, so I just started researching easy things like keyboards. Found this site and realized I wasn't in Kansas anymore.

http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/491752-mechanical-keyboard-guide.html

Or this one, a big show-off if you ask me.

http://www.daskeyboard.com/

If the Wafen SS had used keyboards they would have been these. OTOH, I think guys with these keep a cheatsheet in the drawer ("WHERE is the dadgum tilde key?!")

I'm looking for a clicky key keyboard like IBM used to make back in the olden times. I've been typing on mashed potatoes so long I don't know if I'll survive the happiness factor. Besides gaming I'm thinking of writing another novel, and membrane keyboards won't hack that load.

Anyway, thread back from the dead. Cherry MX Blue rulz!!!




USSAmerica -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/24/2011 7:52:35 PM)

Congratulations on the wedding, Moose!  [sm=00000436.gif]




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/24/2011 8:36:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: USS America

Congratulations on the wedding, Moose!  [sm=00000436.gif]


Thanks. Forty-nine hours to go. One hour since Alfred last razzed me in PM.[8D]




witpqs -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/24/2011 8:59:00 PM)

Getting married when you need to attend to a new PC - where is your sense of priorities? [;)] [:D]

[:)] Congratulations! [:)]



[image]local://upfiles/14248/3A3C3CF5E0114F9F8254F854404D9F7D.gif[/image]




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/24/2011 9:00:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

Getting married when you need to attend to a new PC - where is your sense of priorities? [;)] [:D]

[:)] Congratulations! [:)]



[image]local://upfiles/14248/3A3C3CF5E0114F9F8254F854404D9F7D.gif[/image]


Thanks. I think.[:)]




witpqs -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/24/2011 9:04:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I'm looking for a clicky key keyboard like IBM used to make back in the olden times. I've been typing on mashed potatoes so long I don't know if I'll survive the happiness factor. Besides gaming I'm thinking of writing another novel, and membrane keyboards won't hack that load.


You want olden times? You need this:
http://www.usbtypewriter.com/




Panjack -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/25/2011 4:16:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
I'm looking for a clicky key keyboard like IBM used to make back in the olden times. I've been typing on mashed potatoes so long I don't know if I'll survive the happiness factor. Besides gaming I'm thinking of writing another novel, and membrane keyboards won't hack that load.

I still have a couple of IBM model M keyboards from the late 1980s or early 1990s: the greatest computer keyboard ever made. I expect to use them for a long time.

The model M keyboard is also good to have around because if you suddenly find an elephant charging you while you're working on the computer you can just pick up the keyboard and whack the elephant on the head...he will fall down stunned from the blow. (You can then return to typing on the keyboard and use the elephant to help build airfields in India). The model M is a solid piece of equipment.

Unicomp, I believe, makes (or did make) an updated version of the model M.

Why someone would pay top dollar for, say, a cool looking CPU cooler but then use a $5 keyboard is beyond me.




ilovestrategy -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/25/2011 9:29:03 AM)

I bought a $40 Saitek gaming keyboard over three years ago and it's still like new.




SuluSea -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/25/2011 11:17:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I bought a Cyberpower gaming PC in October 2007 and it still runs strong. Haven't had a problem with it.


I purchased mine from New Egg after DRM trashed my old PC, in 2007 as well. My next PC will be the same make and would recommend them to anyone as I've had zero problems with it.

[image]http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/46/40/CyberpowerPC_Gamer_Ultra_7560_AMD_Gaming_Desktop_PC-resized200.jpg[/image]




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/25/2011 1:25:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I'm looking for a clicky key keyboard like IBM used to make back in the olden times. I've been typing on mashed potatoes so long I don't know if I'll survive the happiness factor. Besides gaming I'm thinking of writing another novel, and membrane keyboards won't hack that load.


You want olden times? You need this:
http://www.usbtypewriter.com/


Well, clicky to be sure. Some people have WAY too much time.

I did like the kicky, hipster soundtrack!

Thanks.




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/25/2011 1:28:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Panjack

I still have a couple of IBM model M keyboards from the late 1980s or early 1990s: the greatest computer keyboard ever made. I expect to use them for a long time.

The model M keyboard is also good to have around because if you suddenly find an elephant charging you while you're working on the computer you can just pick up the keyboard and whack the elephant on the head...he will fall down stunned from the blow. (You can then return to typing on the keyboard and use the elephant to help build airfields in India). The model M is a solid piece of equipment.

Unicomp, I believe, makes (or did make) an updated version of the model M.

Why someone would pay top dollar for, say, a cool looking CPU cooler but then use a $5 keyboard is beyond me.



I certainly agree with your last sentence.

I started out on the original IBM PCs. The M was "normal", but over the decades keyboard deterioration has been so subtle yet relentless that most younger folks have no idea how bad the typical one is now. I read that even a pretty beat up M is going for about $200 on eBay.

I'll look at Unicomp. Thanks.




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/25/2011 1:34:20 PM)

I did look at Unicomp. What a time capsule! Definitely on the possible list.




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/25/2011 1:40:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I bought a $40 Saitek gaming keyboard over three years ago and it's still like new.


I looked at the Saitek Eclipse II, and I think it's a membrane/domed rubber design. I've used other Saitek periphs (joysticks, etc.), and they make good stuff, but on the keyboard I want clicky for sure.

There's a lot of on-line debate about what a "gaming" keyboard is. Some maintain you need Cherry MX Black switches that let you "hover" the keystroke in FPS games and do smooth double-taps. Maybe. But this one is going to be for WPing as much as games, and I'm retro on WPing. I want sound and the tactile feedback from the key. Partly due to this lack I simply cannot type on a laptop. I'm chicken hunting right now, and my hands are tired after a paragraph. I'm just old school on keyboards.




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: OT-CyberPower gaming PCs (5/25/2011 1:41:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SuluSea


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ORIGINAL: ilovestrategy

I bought a Cyberpower gaming PC in October 2007 and it still runs strong. Haven't had a problem with it.


I purchased mine from New Egg after DRM trashed my old PC, in 2007 as well. My next PC will be the same make and would recommend them to anyone as I've had zero problems with it.

[image]http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/46/40/CyberpowerPC_Gamer_Ultra_7560_AMD_Gaming_Desktop_PC-resized200.jpg[/image]


That pic looks like a Klingon battle cruiser. [8D]




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