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PAWMatrix -> British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (10/31/2010 12:26:10 AM)

Hello,

I have found these loads but I am still looking for some (/w ?):

BB
Dreadnought Class - 24 Torpedoes for 5-18in TT (4 beam, 1 stern
Bellerophon Class - ?? Torpedoes for 3-18in TT (2 beam, 1 Stern)
St. Vincent Class - ?? Torpedoes for 3-18in TT (2 beam, 1 Stern)
Neptune Class - ?? Torpedoes for 3-18in TT (2 beam, 1 Stern)
Colossus Class - ?? Torpedoes for 3-21in TT (2 beam, 1 Stern)
Orion Class - ?? Torpedoes for 3-21in TT (2 beam, 1 Stern)
King George V Class - ?? Torpedoes for 3-21in TT (2 beam, 1 Stern)
Iron Duke Class - ?? Torpedoes for 4-21in TT (beam)
Queen Elizabeth Class - ?? Torpedoes for 4-21in TT (beam)
Revenge Class - ?? Torpedoes for 4-21in TT (beam)
Erin Class - ?? Torpedoes for 4-21in TT (beam)
Agincourt Class - ?? Torpedoes for 3-21in TT (2 beam, 1 Stern)
Canada Class - ?? Torpedoes for 4-21in TT (beam)

BC
Invincible Class - 14 Torpedoes for 5-18in TT (4 beam, 1 stern)
Indefatigable Class - 12 Torpedoes for 3-18in TT (1 beam, 2 stern)
Lion Class - 14 Torpedoes for 2-21in TT (beam)
Queen Mary Class - 14 Torpedoes for 2-21in TT (beam)
Tiger Class - 20 Torpedoes for 4-21in TT (beam)
Renown Class - 10 Torpedoes for 2-21in TT (beam)
Courageous Class - 10 Torpedoes for 2-21in TT (beam)
Hood Class - ?? Torpedoes for 6-21in TT (2 sub beam, 4 aw beam)

Any help is appreciated!

Thx!
PAW




topeverest -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (10/31/2010 1:15:50 AM)

Don't have the information at my fingertips to know when, for example, revenge class BB's removed the torpedoes.




topeverest -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (10/31/2010 1:17:52 AM)



Found it...

"The original outfit was four submerged 21" torpedo tubes, two on either n beam, one pair forward of A turret and the other pair aft of Y turret, in 1932 the after pair of tubes were removed and in 1938 the forward pair went."

http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/Revenge_Class_Battleship_-_HMS_Royal_Sovereign#Torpedo_armament




Shark7 -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (10/31/2010 1:45:28 AM)

Most BBs had their tubes removed prior to WWII. In fact, can't really think of any BB that did retain theirs.




mike scholl 1 -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (10/31/2010 3:32:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shark7

Most BBs had their tubes removed prior to WWII. In fact, can't really think of any BB that did retain theirs.



Didn't Bismarck/Tirpitz have a couple of triple mounts on the fantail?




rockmedic109 -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (10/31/2010 8:05:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shark7

Most BBs had their tubes removed prior to WWII. In fact, can't really think of any BB that did retain theirs.



Didn't Bismarck/Tirpitz have a couple of triple mounts on the fantail?

The Pocket Battleships did but Bis/Tirp didn't as far as I know {which is admittedly not far}.




Omat -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (10/31/2010 8:26:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rockmedic109

The Pocket Battleships did but Bis/Tirp didn't as far as I know {which is admittedly not far}.


Hello

As far as I know the Bismark did not had Torpedos. But the Tirpitz had 2 Quadruple 533 mm G7a T1 torpedo tubes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Tirpitz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck

Omat




PAWMatrix -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (10/31/2010 9:27:13 PM)

Hello,

I am glad you have confirmed they all were removed before WWII, but I am working on a 1920's scenario and need
to know how many Torpedoes were carried by each class to have the Ships correct in the database.

Thx!

PAW




spence -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (10/31/2010 9:45:09 PM)

IIRC there was exactly one instance of a BB/BC firing a torpedo that actually hit an enemy target at any time in history. I don't remember the source but again IIRC it occurred in WWII. It might have been in "Strategy & Tactics" way back when.






warspite1 -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (10/31/2010 11:59:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: spence

IIRC there was exactly one instance of a BB/BC firing a torpedo that actually hit an enemy target at any time in history. I don't remember the source but again IIRC it occurred in WWII. It might have been in "Strategy & Tactics" way back when.

Warspite1

I believe the only time a battleship ever hit another battleship with a torpedo was in May 1941. HMS Rodney vs Bismarck.

Rodney's TT were never removed, but HMS Nelson had hers taken away between September 41 and April 42. They were both fitted with 2 x 24.5-inch submerged tubes.




warspite1 -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (11/1/2010 12:08:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Omat


quote:

ORIGINAL: rockmedic109

The Pocket Battleships did but Bis/Tirp didn't as far as I know {which is admittedly not far}.


Hello

As far as I know the Bismark did not had Torpedos. But the Tirpitz had 2 Quadruple 533 mm G7a T1 torpedo tubes.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Tirpitz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck

Omat

Warspite1

That is correct - Tirpitz was given two quadruple mounts for its 53.3cm (21-inch) torpedoes, while Bismarck did not have TT.




redcoat -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (11/1/2010 1:27:00 PM)


HMS Royal Oak (Revenge Class) also had torps in WW2. Her original submerged TTs were removed in 1933-34, but she then had two twin 21in TTs fitted above deck, one on either beam.




Shark7 -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (11/1/2010 3:24:16 PM)

Would Royal Oak's tubes been removed by the end of the war though? Royal Oak was sunk by U-47 on the morning of October 14, 1939, very early in the war.




redcoat -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (11/1/2010 3:54:07 PM)


Its hard to say. Royal Oak was something of an oddity. The other four BBs of the Revenge/Royal Sovereign Class all had their TTs removed by 1934, and yet she had new TTs fitted in the same year. I think she may well have had her TTs removed because the aging Revenge Class BBs were only considered to be suitable for subsidiary roles in WW2 such as shore bombardment.




mariandavid -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (11/1/2010 9:19:50 PM)

Royal Oak is indeed the exception - the Royal Sovereign and Queen Elizabeth classes were ordered in 1930 to have their underwater TT's removed. As redcoat says for some reason the Oak got in turn 4 fixed above-water tubes! All I can think of is that since she was the 'best' of her class she would be used as the Flag of the Channel Squadron.




warspite1 -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (11/1/2010 9:38:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shark7

Would Royal Oak's tubes been removed by the end of the war though? Royal Oak was sunk by U-47 on the morning of October 14, 1939, very early in the war.

Warspite1

My guess is no - unless she was damaged and required lengthy repair work. The reason is that the UK dockyards had more than they could handle during the war, so taking an old tub (sorry Royal Oak) in just to have her TT's removed seems unlikely.




JuanG -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (11/2/2010 12:25:01 AM)

Heres the data I have for the classes you requested;

Dates are approximate, and mean that the changes were made by then.

BB Dreadnought
5 18" Tubes (4 Beam, 1 Aft) w/ 23 Torpedoes

BB Bellerophon
3 18" Tubes (2 Beam, 1 Aft) w/ 14 Torpedoes
1917-18 1 Aft Tube removed, Torpedo load reduced to 9

BB St. Vincent
3 18" Tubes (2 Beam, 1 Aft) w/ 9 Torpedoes
1917-18 1 Aft Tube removed, Torpedo load unchanged

BB Neptune
3 18" Tubes (2 Beam, 1 Aft) w/ 18 Torpedoes

BB Colossus
3 21" Tubes (2 Beam, 1 Aft) w/ 18 Torpedoes

BB Orion
3 21" Tubes (2 Beam, 1 Aft) w/ 20 Torpedoes

BB King George V
3 21" Tubes (2 Beam, 1 Aft) w/ 14 Torpedoes

BB Iron Duke
4 21" Tubes (4 Beam) w/ 20 Torpedoes

BB Queen Elizabeth
4 21" Tubes (4 Beam) w/ 20 Torpedoes
Early 30's 2 Beam Tubes removed, Torpedo load reduced to 10 (Only Barham '34, Valiant '27)
Late 30's All Tubes removed (Barham '38, Malaya '36, QE '41, Valiant '39, Warspite '37)

BB Revenge
4 21" Tubes (4 Beam) w/ 21 Torpedoes
Early 30's 2 Beam Tubes removed, Torpedo load reduced to 10 (Only Ramillies '34, Resolution '36, Revenge '32)
Late 30's All Tubes removed (Ramillies '40, Resolution '42, Revenge '39, R.Oak '36, R.Sovereign '33)

BB Erin
4 21" Tubes (4 Beam) w/ 20 Torpedoes

BB Agincourt
3 21" Tubes (2 Beam, 1 Aft) w/ 10 Torpedoes

BB Canada
4 21" Tubes (4 Beam) w/ 20 Torpedoes

BC Invincible
5 18" Tubes (4 Beam, 1 Aft) w/ 23 Torpedoes

BC Indefatigable
2 18" Tubes (2 Beam) w/ 12 Torpedoes

BC Lion
2 21" Tubes (2 Beam) w/ 14 Torpedoes

BC Queen Mary
2 21" Tubes (2 Beam) w/ 14 Torpedoes

BC Tiger
4 21" Tubes (4 Beam) w/ 20 Torpedoes

BC Renown
2 21" Tubes (2 Beam) w/ 26 Torpedoes
Late 30's Tubes replaced with 4 Twin 21" Deck Tubes, Torpedo load reduced to 9 (Repulse '36, Renown '39)

BC Courageous
2 21" Tubes (2 Beam) w/ 10 Torpedoes
1917 12 Beam Tubes added, Torpedo load increased to 24
1924 All Tubes removed on CV conversion

BC Hood
6 21" Tubes (6 Beam) w/ 20 Torpedoes
1938 2 Beam Tubes removed, Torpedo load decreased to 8




PAWMatrix -> RE: British BB & BC Torpedo Loads (11/2/2010 2:12:15 AM)

JuanG

Thanks a million.

I appreciate this!

PAW




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