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JohnDillworth -> Beware teh massive upgrade (11/1/2009 9:07:44 PM)

I know I can disallow upgrades on my ships but as the allies I let everything update after May 42. It is now June 1943 and I just had about 1/2 the fleet go into upgrade. GuessI got too many merchant ships sitting around:
BB Revenge beginning refit in shipyard at Colombo
BB Royal Sovereign beginning refit in shipyard at Colombo
BB Ramillies beginning refit in shipyard at Colombo
BB Resolution beginning refit in shipyard at Colombo
CA Exeter beginning refit in shipyard at Colombo
CL De Ruyter beginning refit in shipyard at Sydney
DD Evertsen beginning refit in shipyard at Sydney
DD Kortenaer beginning refit in shipyard at Sydney
AD Black Hawk beginning refit in shipyard at Cape Town
AD Prairie taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
AD Piedmont taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
AD Rigel beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
SC-630 taken out of commission to begin refit at San Francisco
SC-643 taken out of commission to begin refit at Seattle
SC-739 taken out of commission to begin refit at Dutch Harbor
SC-740 taken out of commission to begin refit at Dutch Harbor
SC-741 taken out of commission to begin refit at Vancouver
SC-743 taken out of commission to begin refit at Dutch Harbor
SC-744 taken out of commission to begin refit at Dutch Harbor
SS Narwhal begins refit while under repair at Sydney
SS Tarpon begins refit while under repair at Darwin
SS Pickerel taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
SS Sturgeon begins refit while under repair at Darwin
SS Spearfish begins refit while under repair at Pearl Harbor
SS Sculpin begins refit while under repair at Darwin
SS Swordfish begins refit while under repair at Noumea
SS Billfish taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
SS Cisco taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
SS Seahorse taken out of commission to begin refit at Mare Island
SS S-30 taken out of commission to begin refit at San Francisco
SS S-41 begins refit while under repair at Darwin
SS KXIV beginning refit at Perth
SS KXVI begins refit while under repair at Perth
SS KXVII beginning refit at Broome
SS KXVIII beginning refit at Broome
PT-119 taken out of commission to begin refit at Tulagi
PT-122 taken out of commission to begin refit at Tulagi
PT-127 taken out of commission to begin refit at Shortlands
PT-142 taken out of commission to begin refit at Shortlands
PT-143 taken out of commission to begin refit at Shortlands
PT-144 taken out of commission to begin refit at Shortlands
PT-145 taken out of commission to begin refit at Shortlands
PT-146 taken out of commission to begin refit at Shortlands
PT-147 taken out of commission to begin refit at Shortlands
PT-148 taken out of commission to begin refit at Shortlands
PT-149 taken out of commission to begin refit at Shortlands
SC PC-578 taken out of commission to begin refit at Seattle
SC PC-579 taken out of commission to begin refit at Seattle
SC PC-580 taken out of commission to begin refit at Seattle
SC PC-581 taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
SC PC-596 taken out of commission to begin refit at Los Angeles
SC PC-597 taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
SC PC-777 taken out of commission to begin refit at Portland
SC PC-778 taken out of commission to begin refit at Los Angeles
SC PC-779 taken out of commission to begin refit at Los Angeles
SC PC-1077 taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
SC PC-1078 taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
SC PC-1084 taken out of commission to begin refit at Los Angeles
xAK Delawarean begins refit while under repair at Abadan
xAK Floridian taken out of commission to begin refit at Cape Town
xAKL Georgian taken out of commission to begin refit at Auckland
xAK Hawaiian taken out of commission to begin refit at Sydney
xAKL Iowan taken out of commission to begin refit at Auckland
xAKL Louisianan taken out of commission to begin refit at Aden
xAK Panaman taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK Pennsylvanian taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK Virginian taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAKL Washingtonian taken out of commission to begin refit at Cape Town
xAK Trento taken out of commission to begin refit at San Francisco
xAK West Cawthon beginning refit in shipyard at Aden
xAK West Isleta beginning refit in shipyard at Aden
xAKL Atlantic taken out of commission to begin refit at Auckland
xAK Fairfield City taken out of commission to begin refit at Perth
xAKL Memphis City taken out of commission to begin refit at Aden
xAK Steel Engineer beginning refit in shipyard at Colombo
xAK Steel Exporter beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Steel Inventor beginning refit in shipyard at Colombo
xAK Steel Navigator beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Steel Scientist beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Steel Seafarer beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Steel Traveler beginning refit in shipyard at Colombo
xAK Steel Worker beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK Florence Luckenbach beginning refit in shipyard at Aden
xAK K.I. Luckenbach beginning refit in shipyard at San Diego
xAK Katrina Luckenbach beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Lillian Luckenbach beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Susan Luckenbach beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAKL Kahuku taken out of commission to begin refit at San Francisco
xAKL Kailua taken out of commission to begin refit at Auckland
xAK Kalani taken out of commission to begin refit at Cape Town
xAK Kainalu taken out of commission to begin refit at Abadan
xAKL Kohala taken out of commission to begin refit at Auckland
xAK Mahukona taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK Manoa taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK Donald McKay beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Mormacmar beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Mormacrey beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Mormacstar beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Jefferson Myers beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK San Angelo beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK San Bernadino beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK San Felipe beginning refit in shipyard at San Diego
xAK San Gabriel beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Admiral Chase beginning refit in shipyard at Seattle
xAK Sea Fox taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK City of Rayville taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK Cape Alava beginning refit in shipyard at Seattle
xAK Cape Flattery beginning refit in shipyard at Seattle
xAK Cape Fairweather beginning refit in shipyard at Seattle
xAK Bald Eagle beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Trade Wind beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
TK A.C. Rubel taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
TK La Placentia taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
TK Mobilgas taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
TK Larry Doheny taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
TK Esso Richmond taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK Adabelle Lykes beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Colbert beginning refit in shipyard at San Diego
xAK Cape Martin beginning refit in shipyard at Los Angeles
xAK Dashing Wave beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Defiance beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK Santa Isabel beginning refit in shipyard at San Diego
xAK Santa Monica beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Sea Snipe taken out of commission to begin refit at San Francisco
xAK Titan beginning refit in shipyard at San Diego
xAK Brastagi beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Day Star taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK Dellwood beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAKL Dona Nati taken out of commission to begin refit at San Francisco
xAK Dorothy Philips taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK Meigs beginning refit in shipyard at San Diego
xAK Portmar beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Santa Anna taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK Sea Bass taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK William S. Colley beginning refit in shipyard at San Diego
TK Gulfwave taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
TK H. M. Storey taken out of commission to begin refit at Pearl Harbor
xAK Adoniram Judson beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Amos Kendall beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Arthur Riggs beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Benjamin Franklin beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK Benjamin H. Grierson beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Carlos Carrillo beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Christopher Greenup beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Daniel S. Lamont beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK David Dudley Field beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK David J. Brewer beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK Edmund Randolph beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Edward Livingston beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Elihu Thomson beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK Francis P. Blair beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Francisco Coronado beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK George D. Prentice beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK George Read beginning refit while under repair in shipyard at Los Angeles
xAK George Ross beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK George S. Boutwell beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK George Taylor beginning refit in shipyard at Seattle
xAK George Westinghouse beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK Gideon Welles beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK Henry Dearborn beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK Henry Villard beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK James B. McPherson beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK James Buchanan beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK James Gordon Bennett beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK Jefferson Davis beginning refit in shipyard at Seattle
xAK John A. Rawlins beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK John B. Floyd beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK John H. Couch beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK John Hart beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK John P. Holland beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK John Page beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor
xAK Josiah Royce beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Leslie M. Shaw beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK Lew Wallace beginning refit in shipyard at San Francisco
xAK Lydia M. Child beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Matthew P. Deady beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Nathaniel Currier beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Robert M. Lafollette beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK S. Hall Young beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Samuel Gompers beginning refit while under repair in shipyard at Los Angeles
xAK Sheldon Jackson beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Thomas Nast beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Walter Reed beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK William B. Allison beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK William Dunbar beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK William E. Channing beginning refit in shipyard at Seattle
xAK William M. Stewart beginning refit in shipyard at Seattle
xAK William S. Young beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK William Windom beginning refit in shipyard at Alameda
xAK Zachary Taylor beginning refit in shipyard at Pearl Harbor




Mistmatz -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/1/2009 10:22:24 PM)

I recommend WitP tracker to manage upgrades proactively.




Chris21wen -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/1/2009 10:36:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mistmatz

I recommend WitP tracker to manage upgrades proactively.


In AE you don't need tracker to monitor upgrades. I always turn upgrades off, turning them on only when I'm ready.




JohnDillworth -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/1/2009 10:56:54 PM)

The big takeaway for me is that I hve a lot of idle merchant ships. I have plenty of fuel and troops in the SW pacific. Gearing up to move across the central pacific so I should probably start piling up supplies at Hawaii. What would you do with such an excess of merchant men?




rockmedic109 -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/1/2009 11:03:52 PM)

Load them up with fuel and take them to any base with combined port & Airbase size of 10 or more {no spoilage}.  Try to get 999,999 fuel points in all these bases.

Or you can try merchant recon by fire.  Send them to Tokyo, Truk, etc and see what's there......




Mistmatz -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/1/2009 11:23:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris H


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mistmatz

I recommend WitP tracker to manage upgrades proactively.


In AE you don't need tracker to monitor upgrades. I always turn upgrades off, turning them on only when I'm ready.



Well, you dont need tracker for anything. It just helps a lot. For instance finding the TF number and whereabouts of those vessels due for an upgrade. I also turn all upgrades off at the very first turn but on the other hand I want to keep my vessels as modern as I can and here tracker helps for instance routing vessels to a port of required size in time and such.




crsutton -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 12:31:21 AM)

The smaller ships will be in and out of upgrade pretty fast. Unless you are critically short of ships. It should not be a big deal.





Nomad -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 2:39:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

The big takeaway for me is that I hve a lot of idle merchant ships. I have plenty of fuel and troops in the SW pacific. Gearing up to move across the central pacific so I should probably start piling up supplies at Hawaii. What would you do with such an excess of merchant men?



What do you consider plenty? In WitP I set my goals for supply and fuel to 5,000,000+ each in Australia, 5,000,000+ each in the south Pacific, and 3,000,000+ each in the Hawaiian Islands. I usually could meet those by early 1943. I don't think I can get that much moved in AE that quick.




tocaff -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 9:59:09 AM)

You mean to tell me that there actually is somebody around, other than an opponent, who feels like there's more than enough of something!?!  I'm shocked!  I always thought that no matter how much you had you always saw a shortage of something, somewhere.




d0mbo -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 10:05:13 AM)

Is there a shortcut for setting all upgrades to no, or do you have to set it for each ship individually????





Reg -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 10:18:35 AM)


Try this for all ships at a base....


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Reg -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 10:23:16 AM)


Or this for every ship in the game.....



[image]local://upfiles/446/FBE1B412FBF940839BA4D16B53203B2C.gif[/image]




d0mbo -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 10:30:17 AM)

Good catch, thanks!




DivePac88 -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 10:50:53 AM)

Thing about upgrading and refitting your shipping is you don't have to do it on the historical dates. You do it when the shipping is in port on turn-around, as they did historically. Granted that some of the early refits such as AA, and depth-charge outfit upgrades are very beneficial. But the upgrade process is like all systems in this game; do it at your own pace. Don't panic, remember it is a long game, and there is always tomorrow. [8D]




John Lansford -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 12:20:50 PM)

I hit the June '42 upgrade point and watched a large % of my escorts go into port to add a handful of 20mm AA guns.  Looking at the port repair screen, I saw most of them were taking 10-18 days to just add those guns;  what's going on with that?  Pearl Harbor's shipyard was overloaded with so many escorts and merchants trying to get AA guns, but even after I switched many of them to pierside the repair times didn't change even one day!




Smeulders -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 1:22:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

I hit the June '42 upgrade point and watched a large % of my escorts go into port to add a handful of 20mm AA guns.  Looking at the port repair screen, I saw most of them were taking 10-18 days to just add those guns;  what's going on with that?  Pearl Harbor's shipyard was overloaded with so many escorts and merchants trying to get AA guns, but even after I switched many of them to pierside the repair times didn't change even one day!


That's because upgrades have a minimum delay, no matter which priority or repair mode, they will be unavailable for that period of time.




John Lansford -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 3:39:41 PM)

It seems rather unrealistic to expect a ship to be sidelined for 2 weeks while 4 20mm guns are being added though.




Rob Brennan UK -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 5:32:13 PM)

Depends if its just the guns being bolted to the decks and ammo space created/reserved for the new calibre rounds.

Maybe Communications to/from bridge are needed ?

Linked to existing Radar (in its infancy and most likely v v hard to do at this date) ?

Added crew quarters for the gunners ?

And most likely any number of small details need doing , re plumbing the head for example [;)]

I just accept that the delay times have been worked out properly and accept the delay. you know its coming and you know how long it will be too (unlike WitP) and thats a big improvement imo.




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 6:33:03 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

It seems rather unrealistic to expect a ship to be sidelined for 2 weeks while 4 20mm guns are being added though.


Having been through ShipAlts and OrdAlts in RL, I don't have any problem with the delays in the game. Some seem optimistic in fact. Warships are very complex beasts. Jigsaw puzzles even.




JohnDillworth -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 6:50:31 PM)

quote:

You mean to tell me that there actually is somebody around, other than an opponent, who feels like there's more than enough of something!?! I'm shocked! I always thought that no matter how much you had you always saw a shortage of something, somewhere.


I didn't relize I had so many ships idle. It means I am missing something. I have taken Rabaul so I can slow down in the SW pacific. Guess it is time to build up supply and fuel for the New Guinea offensive and eventually the reconquest of the Southern Resource Zone. Next big offensives will be in the Central Pacific and that will be much easier to supply for. Unless, of curse, I can't resist the temptation to go for Truk. I figure that is 5 crack Divisions, plus support and plenty of supply and ships.




Bullwinkle58 -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 6:54:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

quote:

You mean to tell me that there actually is somebody around, other than an opponent, who feels like there's more than enough of something!?! I'm shocked! I always thought that no matter how much you had you always saw a shortage of something, somewhere.


I didn't relize I had so many ships idle. It means I am missing something. I have taken Rabaul so I can slow down in the SW pacific. Guess it is time to build up supply and fuel for the New Guinea offensive and eventually the reconquest of the Southern Resource Zone. Next big offensives will be in the Central Pacific and that will be much easier to supply for. Unless, of curse, I can't resist the temptation to go for Truk. I figure that is 5 crack Divisions, plus support and plenty of supply and ships.


If you try Truk, please post about it. In WITP the AI stacked over 40 units there--100,000+ troops plus support. I invaded the HI several times, but never cracked Truk. I'd be interested to hear how stacking limits and fort limits work out there. If you get possession it's a jewel, location and facilities-wise.




chesmart -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 7:26:38 PM)

For Truk I first isolated it by taking Rabaul then Wake, I based all american subs in Rabaul and 2 Cv groups their Plus all my B-24s, Pound the hell out of truk airfield with b-24(expect a lot of casualties as it is extended range) Use all the BBs (including British) to bombard every few turns. Do this for 2-3 months then send all surviving CVs to attack ground units.( It is way more effective to attack ground units with dive bombers and Torpedo Bombers) Keep a Good rotation Going so u always have a Cv group Bombarding. Use any remaining CVES and base the Maine Dive bombers on them Include English Cvs with Marine DBs and TBs only. Do this for 1 Month then Invade. I destroyed 3 Japanese(PC) Divisions and 4-5 Brigades Plus Base forces and engineer units in 2 turns with 9 forts as he was without supply. Once You have Truk , Rabaul and Wake The AI can just surrender. I did this in January 1943 and now I am invading Saipan and Guam and then Luzon and Formosa. I am in October 1943 The AI is down to 2 CV 1 CVL (damaged) and 3 CVEs. Yamato was sunk by a submarine in early 1942.




Kwik E Mart -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/2/2009 11:35:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Reg


Or this for every ship in the game.....



[image]local://upfiles/446/FBE1B412FBF940839BA4D16B53203B2C.gif[/image]


sorry for hijack...where's the map mod for the base size numbers above the base dots? thanks




Reg -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/3/2009 6:45:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart

sorry for hijack...where's the map mod for the base size numbers above the base dots? thanks


Try here: Full Size AE Planning Map and Game Map

or here: Replacement Game Map

We need to get Spooky back on board...... (I had to go searching to find these files again [:(])


Edit: It's in the sticky section - where else would it be???? <<slaps own forehead!!>>





Kwik E Mart -> RE: Beware teh massive upgrade (11/4/2009 12:27:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Reg

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart

sorry for hijack...where's the map mod for the base size numbers above the base dots? thanks


Try here: Full Size AE Planning Map and Game Map

or here: Replacement Game Map

We need to get Spooky back on board...... (I had to go searching to find these files again [:(])


Edit: It's in the sticky section - where else would it be???? <<slaps own forehead!!>>




Thanks! <<slaps own forehead as well for not looking there first>>




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