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Grapeshot Bob -> Surrender Settings Question (1/21/2008 9:01:20 PM)

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Here GB surrendered to me unconditionally. I left my peace setting at the default (18 months).

Can anyone explain these two different peace settings?

Can each nation define how long a peace will last?



GSB




AresMars -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/21/2008 9:07:51 PM)

GSB,

The information displayed shows how long before YOU can declare war on another Major Power (MP) or they on you.

In the case you show above; it is 18 months before France can declare war on England, and 6 months before France can declare war on Austria.

England, on the other hand, has to wait 36 months before they can declare war on France!  (Way to go with the unconditional surrender!)

Austria, only has 6 months left in its enforced peace with France, so keep your eyes on them in 6 months.....you see them on the border, the Dogs of War approach...AGAIN!

Hope this helps...







Grapeshot Bob -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/21/2008 9:26:42 PM)

Thanks for the explaination.

I was having fun razing London and the wimps caved on me!

Which brings me to another point: why does the AI let GB leave the France/England (Lille) crossing unguarded (no blockading ships and no corps on the other side)?



GSB




Grapeshot Bob -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/21/2008 9:43:46 PM)

"Enforced peace for us to attack."

"Enforced peace for others to attack."

Might be better phrases.



GSB




AresMars -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/21/2008 9:53:23 PM)

Well, in a PBEM game, that is not always the case when playing another MP.

When you are playing France, your phrases might be more accurate....but then it is a careful balance to keep your neighbours from all being at war with you at the same time....

AM




Jimmer -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/22/2008 12:14:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AresMars

GSB,

The information displayed shows how long before YOU can declare war on another Major Power (MP) or they on you.

In the case you show above; it is 18 months before France can declare war on England, and 6 months before France can declare war on Austria.

England, on the other hand, has to wait 36 months before they can declare war on France!  (Way to go with the unconditional surrender!)

Austria, only has 6 months left in its enforced peace with France, so keep your eyes on them in 6 months.....you see them on the border, the Dogs of War approach...AGAIN!

Hope this helps...





I think you have those backwards.




Soapy Frog -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/22/2008 1:06:59 AM)

Enforced peace is always 18 months unless you select the 24 month option (which can be taken if you opponent conditionally surrenders) or the 36 month options (which can be taken if you gain an unconditional surrender)

SO in this case it looks like GB is in enforced peace with you for 36 months, which must be one of the default surrender options.

No matter what (except in a white peace) going to peace results in minimum 18 months enforced peace for both combatants, and the loser may be further restricted by the victor's choice of conditions. 




Jimmer -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/22/2008 4:53:18 AM)

Soapy Frog's last post may have explained what happend: You chose some number of options (3, normally) for the unconditional. BUT, if another power is also at war, you and that other power alternate peace conditions. It is possible (likely, in fact) for the other power to choose a condition that is either the same as one of yours, or rules out one of yours. At that point, I would guess that the computer chooses randomly what your third condition is (or, picks from a list in a certain order). So, you may have gotten 36 months instead of some other value.

This information should be in the log (I hope). Double-click it and scroll back to the surrender month.




Grapeshot Bob -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/22/2008 5:17:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jimmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: AresMars

GSB,

The information displayed shows how long before YOU can declare war on another Major Power (MP) or they on you.

In the case you show above; it is 18 months before France can declare war on England, and 6 months before France can declare war on Austria.

England, on the other hand, has to wait 36 months before they can declare war on France!  (Way to go with the unconditional surrender!)

Austria, only has 6 months left in its enforced peace with France, so keep your eyes on them in 6 months.....you see them on the border, the Dogs of War approach...AGAIN!

Hope this helps...





I think you have those backwards.


I think he might be right, actually.

Are you sure?


GSB




AresMars -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/22/2008 5:32:53 PM)

GSB,

If you surrendered to England as France, you should be ashamed!  [;)]

Everything is possible but at least you have a better idea now....





Soapy Frog -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/22/2008 6:12:15 PM)

Yeah AresMars is correct, if England surrendered to you, then he is in enforced peace with you for 36 months, while you can declare war on HIM after 18.




Grapeshot Bob -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/22/2008 8:01:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AresMars

GSB,

If you surrendered to England as France, you should be ashamed!  [;)]

Everything is possible but at least you have a better idea now....





No dude. The Brits surrendered to moi. See my original post s'il vous plait.

I razed London. They cried in their warm beer.

Now they eat garlic and drink a fine red Bordeaux.

They also freeze in the dark because I cut their trade like a knife through warm butter.

I'm sunning myself in Gibralter as we speak.


GSB




AresMars -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/22/2008 8:09:33 PM)

If that is the case then (As I orginally read your post), how could France be under an Enforced Peace for 36 months?

IMHO, Jimmer is not correct in his reading of the Surrender Conditions you posted.

Enforced Peace France: Indicates conditions set on France

Enforced Peace to Us: Indicated conditions set on others vis a vis France.

That is how I have read that it.....

Great to hear that the English are crying GSB!





Grapeshot Bob -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/22/2008 8:24:52 PM)

Sorry about the confusion.

AresMars is and always has been correct.

Jimmer actually has things backwards. If you read my posts above, I thanked you for the explanation then lower down I suggested to Jimmer that you were right.

On another note, there is no need to refer to me as GSB. GSB is a more formal reading of my forum name. Please feel free to use "Bob", "Grapeshot", "Grape" or even "Grapester".

Just don't call me "Crapaud". If you read the Sharpe series the Brits used it as an insult to the French. "Crapaud" means "Toad". The French called the Brits "Goddams", because of the way the Brits swore. 

If anyone wants to read some well researched fiction about the Napoleonic wars from the British perspective I heartily recommend the Sharpe series by Bernard Cornwell.


GSB (Bob, Grapeshot, Grape or Grapester as you wish)




Grapeshot Bob -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/23/2008 10:20:44 PM)

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Ok.

Same game. Several turns later.

Suddenly GB and I have the same DoW limitations. GB should have a longer wait than me, right?

Could someone explain this? Is it a bug?



GSB




Soapy Frog -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/23/2008 10:22:16 PM)

Sounds like a bug. Marshall?




Jimmer -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/24/2008 3:15:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Grapeshot Bob


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jimmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: AresMars

GSB,

The information displayed shows how long before YOU can declare war on another Major Power (MP) or they on you.

In the case you show above; it is 18 months before France can declare war on England, and 6 months before France can declare war on Austria.

England, on the other hand, has to wait 36 months before they can declare war on France!  (Way to go with the unconditional surrender!)

Austria, only has 6 months left in its enforced peace with France, so keep your eyes on them in 6 months.....you see them on the border, the Dogs of War approach...AGAIN!

Hope this helps...





I think you have those backwards.


I think he might be right, actually.

Are you sure?


GSB


You are correct, and so was he. My bad!

Sorry.




Jimmer -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/24/2008 3:17:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Grapeshot Bob

Sorry about the confusion.

AresMars is and always has been correct.

Jimmer actually has things backwards. If you read my posts above, I thanked you for the explanation then lower down I suggested to Jimmer that you were right.

On another note, there is no need to refer to me as GSB. GSB is a more formal reading of my forum name. Please feel free to use "Bob", "Grapeshot", "Grape" or even "Grapester".

Just don't call me "Crapaud". If you read the Sharpe series the Brits used it as an insult to the French. "Crapaud" means "Toad". The French called the Brits "Goddams", because of the way the Brits swore. 

If anyone wants to read some well researched fiction about the Napoleonic wars from the British perspective I heartily recommend the Sharpe series by Bernard Cornwell.


GSB (Bob, Grapeshot, Grape or Grapester as you wish)

So, if you are playing France, can we call you "Napster"?

[:D]




AresMars -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/24/2008 5:46:41 AM)

Jimmer,

ROFL -- very subtle!   I like, I like!





Grapeshot Bob -> RE: Surrender Settings Question (1/24/2008 6:28:46 AM)

Very slick. And very witty.

It is ok if you use "Napster" but each time you call me "Napster" you owe me 50 cents.



GSB/Napster




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