CAP v LR CAP
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CAP v LR CAP
Can anyone clarify this please:
To me CAP is centred on the immediate area around the the airbase where the CAP units are based out to a radius of 2-3 hexes, where as LR CAP is where you nominate the CAP to be centred over another location or a TF for your CAP to protect providing that the designated location/TF is within units range.
The way to select a location for the LR CAP appears to be to select escort or some similar task with a target selection option, then ensure that with LR CAP and rest/training etc you use up the 100%.
Is this correct?
To me CAP is centred on the immediate area around the the airbase where the CAP units are based out to a radius of 2-3 hexes, where as LR CAP is where you nominate the CAP to be centred over another location or a TF for your CAP to protect providing that the designated location/TF is within units range.
The way to select a location for the LR CAP appears to be to select escort or some similar task with a target selection option, then ensure that with LR CAP and rest/training etc you use up the 100%.
Is this correct?
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RE: CAP v LR CAP
"2-3 hexes" -> any # of hexes from 0 to max range for the plane depending on what you set (CAP concentration and reaction time depend on that)
"centred over another location or a TF" -> covering another hex or a TF (cause LRCAP only defends a single hex)
Everything else is correct
"centred over another location or a TF" -> covering another hex or a TF (cause LRCAP only defends a single hex)
Everything else is correct
RE: CAP v LR CAP
I would add a question here: Setting 100% on the LR CAP, with a destination quoted, would the actual air complement be used wholly, or partially, to cover the day's segments (say 1/3 at a time) - as with "normal" CAP?
Fred
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RE: CAP v LR CAP
ORIGINAL: Leandros
I would add a question here: Setting 100% on the LR CAP, with a destination quoted, would the actual air complement be used wholly, or partially, to cover the day's segments (say 1/3 at a time) - as with "normal" CAP?
Fred
Yes.
I will say that I rarely use 100% LRCAP, the exception being when it's a 1-day affair. It is a taxing mission.
RE: CAP v LR CAP
OK, so which one is it - wholly or partially..[&:]...? 1 day-affairs are fine...
Fred
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RE: CAP v LR CAP
Thanks Gents thats really useful!
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Hano
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RE: CAP v LR CAP
ORIGINAL: Leandros
... 1 day-affairs are fine...
Fred
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RE: CAP v LR CAP
Distance plays a great part in LRCAP behaviour. If the LRCAP is only 2 or 3 hexes distance and the aircraft has a range of 4-5, there is enough fuel for the aircraft to linger in the hex, perhaps long enough for constant patrol there. But with the same aircraft at range 4 or 5, the linger time on station is small and there will likely be gaps in coverage as the aircraft go back to refuel. So you may be using 100% of the aircraft but you are not getting 100% LRCAP coverage.ORIGINAL: Leandros
OK, so which one is it - wholly or partially..[&:]...? 1 day-affairs are fine...
Fred
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RE: CAP v LR CAP
So much I understand - my question was if 100% LR CAP send all the unit's planes in one bunch.ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Distance plays a great part in LRCAP behaviour. If the LRCAP is only 2 or 3 hexes distance and the aircraft has a range of 4-5, there is enough fuel for the aircraft to linger in the hex, perhaps long enough for constant patrol there. But with the same aircraft at range 4 or 5, the linger time on station is small and there will likely be gaps in coverage as the aircraft go back to refuel. So you may be using 100% of the aircraft but you are not getting 100% LRCAP coverage.ORIGINAL: Leandros
OK, so which one is it - wholly or partially..[&:]...? 1 day-affairs are fine...
Fred
As opposite to "normal" CAP where the percentage describes how much of the unit is used simultaneously - if I am not mistaken.
Fred
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RE: CAP v LR CAP
No, in both cases it determines how many planes are assigned to CAP or LRCAP, not the number sent together. The actual number of planes on LRCAP will depend on the distance and available loiter time, as the LRCAP will last the whole day.ORIGINAL: Leandros
So much I understand - my question was if 100% LR CAP send all the unit's planes in one bunch.ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Distance plays a great part in LRCAP behaviour. If the LRCAP is only 2 or 3 hexes distance and the aircraft has a range of 4-5, there is enough fuel for the aircraft to linger in the hex, perhaps long enough for constant patrol there. But with the same aircraft at range 4 or 5, the linger time on station is small and there will likely be gaps in coverage as the aircraft go back to refuel. So you may be using 100% of the aircraft but you are not getting 100% LRCAP coverage.ORIGINAL: Leandros
OK, so which one is it - wholly or partially..[&:]...? 1 day-affairs are fine...
Fred
As opposite to "normal" CAP where the percentage describes how much of the unit is used simultaneously - if I am not mistaken.
Fred
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RE: CAP v LR CAP
I push at the top this subject
I have a question about CAP and long range CAP
Is the CAP 100% is équivalent to a Long range CAP 100% with the objective the base where is your Air group.
for instance: your Air group is based at Rangoon, 100% Cap is similar as result than a long range CAP 100% and Rangoon as objectiv?
I have a question about CAP and long range CAP
Is the CAP 100% is équivalent to a Long range CAP 100% with the objective the base where is your Air group.
for instance: your Air group is based at Rangoon, 100% Cap is similar as result than a long range CAP 100% and Rangoon as objectiv?
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ORIGINAL: soloje_ssl
I push at the top this subject
I have a question about CAP and long range CAP
Is the CAP 100% is équivalent to a Long range CAP 100% with the objective the base where is your Air group.
for instance: your Air group is based at Rangoon, 100% Cap is similar as result than a long range CAP 100% and Rangoon as objectiv?
You should use CAP when you are defending your own fighter base or something next to it.
When something you want to defend is further your base where your fighters are, you need LRCAP with target set to what you want to defend.
LRCAP is inherently weaker than CAP, since planes have to travel further, so you have less planes in station any given time (or able to respond). And you don't usually get help of radar either when LRCAPing something (e.g. TF or ground unit or other base).
And to be clear, just in case, it is useless to LRCAP same base where your fighters are stationed, use CAP then. With LRCAP you can also use planes from different bases to defend one place/TF/ground unit etc.
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RE: CAP v LR CAP
Although LRCAP does not get the advantage of radar vectoring from a base (not sure if TF radars can vector LRCAP), the LRCAP can play a spoiler role once an attack is underway. This alone is worth it for a high value target like ships, but maybe less so for troops already protected by rough terrain and forts.
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Re: CAP v LR CAP
thank you for you reply
I know the rule to use LRcap above a far hexagone but I got the feeling than LRcCap was more efficent than Cap on the base hexagone. P40E squadron got 1/3 of losses V zero at Cap mission . with quite good exerperience pilots and no damage , or perhaps 1 killed zero. On same base, 2 days later, an Hurrican IIA squadron got the opposit result with LRCap, so no losses and lot of Zero was killed. the experience of pilot was similar than P40. I guess the group flight of Zero come back.
Sure the Hurrican has better skill than P40E, but so huge difference seems to be strange.
I know the rule to use LRcap above a far hexagone but I got the feeling than LRcCap was more efficent than Cap on the base hexagone. P40E squadron got 1/3 of losses V zero at Cap mission . with quite good exerperience pilots and no damage , or perhaps 1 killed zero. On same base, 2 days later, an Hurrican IIA squadron got the opposit result with LRCap, so no losses and lot of Zero was killed. the experience of pilot was similar than P40. I guess the group flight of Zero come back.
Sure the Hurrican has better skill than P40E, but so huge difference seems to be strange.