Sweden

Nordiska · Post by **Nordiska** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 9:39 pm

Will Sweden be a playable nation in the game? I vaguely remember the board game from years ago, but I'm fairly sure there was an optional rule for Sweden to be a playable country. Will this be in the game?

Guillotine GM · Post by **Guillotine GM** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 10:19 pm

Hi,

Should be, IMO.
I rewrote the Swedish Rules to make the available for EiH. What is more, I'm currenlty GMing one EiH pbem game with Sweden as a Major Power, and it works quite nice.

Waldek

peskpesk · Post by **peskpesk** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 9:39 am

I too, hope Sweden will be in the game. It would rock!
But then I hope you have the option to play all minors in the game.

Le Tondu · Post by **Le Tondu** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:58 pm

Funny thing is that last night I began reading about Sweden's Army in "1813 LEIPZIG" by Digby Smith. I knew almost nothing regarding them before I did. Can anyone say what Sweden did before 1813? Thanks.

peskpesk · Post by **peskpesk** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 6:05 pm

Well, we sweds fought with everybody in Scandinavia of course

Here is two good links if you want to read some on the net.

http://www.algonet.se/~hogman/slkrig_eng.htm
http://www.neva.ru/EXPO96/book/chap5-2.html

We still morn at Poltava!

U2 · Post by U2 » Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:20 pm

Originally posted by peskpesk
Well, we sweds fought with everybody in Scandinavia of course

and then some;)

Nordiska · Post by **Nordiska** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:49 pm

Well I do know that Sweden was on the down side. After the Great Northern Wars in the early 1700's under charles XII their era of dominance ended. Napoleon's marshall Bernadotte became King of Sweden and Sweden joined the alliance against France.

peskpesk · Post by **peskpesk** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:00 am

Well, it mostly true. But durin 1805-1814 we fought many wars!

Look:

1805-1807 In war with France, "The Pommern War" or "The
Napoleon War of King Gustav IV Adolf".
Allied with Sweden: England plus periodically Russia,
Austria and Prussia.
Peace in Paris on January 6, 1810.

!808 In war with Denmark, The Norwegian campaign.
Allied with Sweden: England.
Peace in Jönköping on December 10, 1809.

1808-1809 In war with Russia, "The Finnish War".
Allied with Sweden: England.
Peace on September 17, 1809 in Fredrikshamnn. -
Sweden lost Finland, Åland, part of Västerbotten

1810-1812 In war with England,
Peace on July 18, 1812 in Örebro.

1813-1814 In war with France and Denmark, "The Napoleon War
of King Karl XIV Johan".
Allied with Sweden: England, Russia, Austria and
German states.

War campaign in Germany against Napoleon (France)
and a war with Denmark.
The Swedish King, Karl XIV Johan, was Commander-in-
chief of the allied Northern Army. That was an Army of
155.000 troopers.
Sweden also made an attack on Denmark (The danes
were an allied of Napoleon).
Peace on January 15, 1814 in Kiel with Denmark.
Peace on May 30, 1814 in Paris with France. Sweden
lost Swedish Pommern inclusive Rügen.

1814 The Norwegian Campaign. Peace in Moss.

Nordiska · Post by **Nordiska** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:57 pm

Excellent, even more reason why Sweden should be a playable nation!

Le Tondu · Post by **Le Tondu** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:26 pm

Originally posted by Nordiska
Excellent, even more reason why Sweden should be a playable nation!

He makes quite a case. What a great idea.

peskpesk · Post by **peskpesk** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:54 pm

So, EiA Developers what do you say? Can we please get Sweden in the GAME!!

Nordiska · Post by **Nordiska** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 6:40 pm

Imagine the manpower shortages of Sweden. I would love to play them, they could really harass the Northern European plain. I want Sweden!!!:)

Nordiska · Post by **Nordiska** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:24 pm

I was right in remembering that sweden could be a major power. Check out this link.
Click on scenarios, you can see the Swedish rules.

http://members.fortunecity.com/lobodeoro080888/eia/

Forward_March · Post by **Forward_March** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:02 am

Unfortunately, Sweden lies very close to a hungry Russia. France, Austria, and Prussia will be too busy with eachother, and a bit of blockade won't hurt the Russians too much. Alliance with Spain? Turkey? Charles the XII found how little help the Grand Wazoo was. I'd give Sweden about 3 months to be relegated to "pointless" status.

Hoplosternum · Post by **Hoplosternum** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:00 pm

I agree with Forward March the game for Sweden is likely to be pretty shortlived or if playing with options that preserve major powers still as a wipping boy. How will it be able to get surrenders off anyone? Yet it will be forced to surrender by anyone with a decent fleet. It will end up as a client state to Russia or England most likely.

Also as a major power it will also detract from the diplomacy of the game. Russia has few minors in it's sphere of influence that it can really protect. Sweden is the main one. It is also a very valuable minor and so can cause friction between major powers as to who owns it and with it's three Corps and Fleets whether it is a Free State or not. By providing a conflict of interest between Russia and Britain (both want it and can easily take it) I think it provides useful scope for diplomacy and conflict between powers which might otherwise spend the whole game as unbreakable allies.

peskpesk · Post by **peskpesk** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:15 pm

Sure, it's diffuclt to play Sweden. You need do be a expert
on diplomacy and a master on when to join a war. In our games
we always have Sweden as the 8th major power. Sometimes
Sweden get crushed early but in other games the expand slowly
and surive. I have even seen it become a super power in one game.
And yes it does change EiA game focus for some other Major powers, but then you have "new" fun game to play!

BUT remeber where the thing we want is a option to have Sweden as a major power, so if you like it. You can include
Sweden in the game, or turn it of if you don't like it.

Please give us the option!

Nordiska · Post by **Nordiska** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:39 pm

I couldn't have said it better myself. More countries=more playability. An optional sweden would be great.

YohanTM2 · Post by **YohanTM2** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:54 pm

And hey, trying to get 7 committed EiA platers is going to be tough enough <g>

I do agree it would impact diplomacy a ton as Russia would really have no option but to go straight into conflict with other majors and maybe try to creating Poland.

Supervisor · Post by **Supervisor** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:30 am

Russia would go directly to war with Sweden in the beginning of the game. Sweden would get spanked. Turkey can not afford to even begin to invade Russia that early in the game, and Britain has no real land army yet. Prussia and Austria can't offend Russia that early, becuase they might seriously need Russian support later on against France. If you have an aggressive Russian player, then Sweden is toast.

But then again, if Matrix Games decides to make it an option, Im all for whatever makes people happy, as long as it doesn't delay the making of this game anymore than it already is.

peskpesk · Post by **peskpesk** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 9:50 am

I would like to see all nations, big and small playable by a human player as an option. If somebody wants to be Saxony? Fine, give it s shot and good luck, who knows against 7 AI players you might survive a 1 year or more but what a challange...
The point is, it should be the same system for all countries. But then there are no rules and charts for playing most minor countries and not enough time for matrix games to fix it to version 1.0.
So my hope for 1.0 is Sweden. There are semi-official rules and chart available and just to plug in. I have seen Many EiA board games where Sweden is used as the 8 major power and it has been very fun games too.
Please just make Sweden a option we don't want to destroy the
Classic EiA for you out there who likes classic EiA.

My guess is the Matrix games are not going to make a Swedish option for release 1.0 anyway, but we can hope.

What do you say Ross?

Sweden

Sweden

What a coincidence.

We fought everybody in scandinavia!

Re: We fought everybody in scandinavia!

Yes indeed.

Include Sweden as in EiA

Please give us the option!