Morning Star, Midnight Sun (BTSL 2.0)

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Morning Star, Midnight Sun (BTSL 2.0)

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This AAR will chronicle my match with Kitakami (Jorge) in the freshly revamped and overhauled Between the Storms Lite. The two of us play-tested the scenario to the end of December 41 looking for bugs so we both have a pretty good feel for each other's play style.

I've done many AARs so this shall be no different. We'll talk strategy, planning, economy, and the Mod itself. There will be no endless Combat Reports posted. Guarantee to BANZAI! all victories (real or imagined) with great bombast and hyperbole while sobbing through all the defeats (real or imagined).

We went with minimal House Rules and here they are:
1. No 4EB attacks below 10,000 Ft.
2. Fighters can fly a max altitude of 20,000 in 1942, 30,000 in 1943, unlimited in 1944-1945
3. Fighters can only Sweep in their two top maneuver bands.
4. No Port attacks except by carrier aircraft on Turn One.
5. No Hunting for American CVs on Turn One.
6. Only ‘realistic’ Japanese invasions for Turn One.
7. Must pay PP to move units across borders.
8. Any Japanese or Chinese assault must be at least 50% prepped prior to the attack.

Will Post a Scenario description and let Jorge jump in before shutting down and getting into it.

My AAR Title comes from Jeffery Cox's magnificent books on the Pacific War. He has written Rising Sun, Falling Sky and Morning Star, Midnight Sun so far with another due out in a bit. Heartily recommend his books!

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Between the Storms Lite 060
ALTNAV 1922-1941 (01/08/19)


These Mods are available for AE and have been created to reflect a slightly different outcome of the historic Washington and London Naval Conferences to cover the time of 1922-1937. With little changes and tweaks to the Treaty System, a slightly a-historic outcome is produced. The Treaty Years give way to the ramping up of World War Two. Japan grapples with the consequences of exiting the Treaty System and works to create a more balanced Fleet under the able leadership and foresight of Naval Minister Yamamoto Isoroku.

The Washington Conference

Secretary of State Charles Evans Hughes blueprint for naval disarmament gets out and the Japanese stonewall a Naval Conference for a full year. After considerable bickering and pressure being brought to bear, the Conference does take place in 1922 and disarmament is agreed upon, however, there are additions allowed due to the added time to get the meeting going. The whole Mutsu debate is scrapped due to Mutsu actually being ready and deployed at that point. A slightly higher 10:10:7 ratio between Great Britain, the United States, and Japan is agreed upon, allowing for several new outcomes:

1. The Ratio Change to 10:10:7:
a. The Japanese argue to keep the nearly complete battleship Tosa and the Amagi-Class battlecruiser Ishitaka. The Americans gain the fourth Colorado-Class USS Washington and the Battlecruiser USS Constellation (while scrapping the old battleships Florida and Utah and making the Wyoming into a gunnery training ship to maintain balance), Great Britain gets the option to build a pair of Super-Hoods.

b. Tonnages are left open for the British to build two 35,000 Ton battleships (Rodney and Nelson), the United States has 28,000 Ton available, and the Japanese have 18,000 Ton open for new Capital Ships. These warships are designed through the late-20s and are authorized for building at the time of the London Naval Conference. The United States builds a fast Battlecruiser (USS Chesapeake) armed with 4x3 12" Guns while the Japanese build a Light Battlecruiser named Chichibu (2x2 16.1" Guns).

2. The whole subject of CVs is reworked with slighly increased carrier tonnage allowed bringing a slightly different creation to each flee'ts starting CV forces::
a. Two 'experimental' CVs (two Hosho's and two Langley's) are allowed to be built for further carrier experimentation. The Americans convert USS Langley and USS Ely to CVEs and they begin the war at the Panama Canal. Japan has IJN Hosho and Ibuki.

b. Two BC to CV conversions are still allowed.

c. The Americans use all their Treaty tonnage to make create a solid CVL, after the failed design of the Ranger, named King's Mountain and Wasp becomes a 4th Yorktown-Class CV.

d. The Japanese back off the failed Ryujo design to build IJN Ryukaku and Karasu while Soryu enters as a Hiryu-Class CV.


3. The Big 3 allow for more research into 'Cruiser' Submarines. Since no one had any real idea of where submarines were headed, this allows for further experimentation. The Americans build an additional Argonaut, Narwhal, and three Seaplane carrying subs. The Japanese add three Mine Layers and four large ocean-going Glen SS, and the French add another Surcouf.

The London Conference

Moving on to the London Conference (1930), the subject of Cruisers is re-worked:
1. Japan--at all costs--sticks to its goal of 70% for CAs (instead of 60%). Japan is authorized to build a total of 14 CAs while the Allied Forces have 18 each.

2. Great Britain--who nearly scrapped the treaty due to the issue of CAs and CLs--stands firm over its argument and forces a larger tonnage for CLs. This brings no change to the Treaty since Japan was already at 70% in this category.

3. Both Japan and the United States were looking at hybrid Cruiser—CVs and they force Great Britain, following the example set with the Washington BC—CV Conversions, to allow for two hybrids each to be built in the early-30s. The nations are allowed with ONLY these two vessels to place up to 8" guns on them. USA builds CLV Charlotte and Jacksonville (3x3 6" and 18 Planes), GB builds CAV Melbourne and Wellington (sold/given to those respective navies with 2x2 8" and 15 Planes), and Japan finishes up with CAV Kushiro and Tokachi (3x2 8" and 27 Planes). These hybrids are not true, useful CVLs nor are they true, useful cruisers but they have a unique niche in 1941 and ALL of them can be converted into carriers later in 1942.

***It should be noted that to take maximum advantage of the revised Treaty tonnages, Japan converts several of the oldest CLs into fast ML, builds two additional Myoko-Class CAs and completes the Mogami-Class as CAs instead of CLs. The oldest Japanese CAs (Kako and Furutaka-Classes) are downgraded to CLs with 6" guns replacing the 8" turrets.


Warship Construction AFTER the Treaty Years
Battleship Question and Decision
After abandoning the Treaty System, great discussion goes into the first new battleships to be built by Japan since the Nagato Class. The choices ends up centering on building two modern, fast conventional battlewagons as opposed to the mighty Yamato-Class. The prohibitive factors of cost, additional shipyard construction and time finally swing the decision to creating the Owari-Class (3x3 16.1" Rifles). While not sounding too exciting this change brings about a very interesting situation. Both Yamato and Musashi required their slipways to be expanded in length. The expansions were hugely expensive and took MONTHS to finish. By building the Owari-Class BBs the Japanese clear these slipways 12-18 months faster. The net result is two modern BBs (28 Knots) join the Kaigun BEFORE Pearl Harbor and their successors (two B-65 Class BCs) are either finished or near complete at war's start. Hoping to stay competitive vis-a-vis the Two Ocean Bill, two additional Owari-Class BBs are laid down just prior to the start of hostilities.

Command Cruisers
While debate rages on about the new battleship design, a new class of heavy cruiser is initiated. The proposed Tone-Class floatplane CA is discarded for a balanced, more capable cruiser. These large cruisers are better called command cruisers. The Niitaka-Class grows to over 15,000 tonnes and carries 4x3 8" guns, heavy torpedo armament, impressive secondaries, and strong floatplane complements. These fast, rugged cruisers are planned to be a six ship class. The initial two are complete at war's start, a second pair coming in late-1942, and a final pair in 1944.


The Rise of Admiral Yamamoto
As the Treaty Period ends, history takes another turn as Admiral Yamamoto Isoroku makes a greater contribution to the development of the Kaigun from 1936-1941. Yamamoto exerts a much greater influence first on the Japan Naval Aircraft Industry, then as Deputy Navy Minister, and finally as Navy Minister itself. Yamamoto chooses, at great risk to his life, to forego command of the Combined Fleet and dedicate himself to preparing Japan for the war he didn't want. He adds two new slipways (Shanghai and Port Arthur) for Fleet construction to facilitate a different, final pre-war expansion of the Kaigun. New and expanded Naval Yards, Heavy Industry, and Armaments are added at tremendous cost for the Japanese economy as the Admiral attempts to prepare Japan for a possibly long war. In so choosing to do this Yamamoto then changes the 4th Circle Building Plan dropping the 3rd and 4th Owari-Class Battleships for two improved Shokaku-Class CVs, a pair of Kawachi-Class fast Battlecruisers, an accelerated Light Cruiser deployment, and additional destroyers. Quick, reasonably cheap carrier conversions are moved forward seeing all of the pre-war CVs/CVLs deploy by December 7th or at slightly earlier dates in 1942. The highly unrealistic 5th Circle Plan is added in late-1941 and adds the 3rd and 4th Owari-Class BB back into building que. Despite Yamamoto's arguments this allocation of resources goes ahead with completion dates set in 1943-1944. Though only a few of these new ships are ready on December 7th, these additions make the Kaigun a force to be reckoned with well into 1944.

The Japan Naval Air Arm deploys its magnificent A6M2 with research complete for its successors of the M3 and M5. These airframes are nearly ready in December 1941 and the Japanese wisely look at advanced prototypes elsewhere and decide to explore several second-generation fighter concepts. The Zero Team moves on to the Jack and Sam, while private contractors work on the George. Yamamoto fosters a sense of competition between the two teams to see who will win out as having a worthy successor to the A6M2 line. Additional streamlining and encouragement brings forward second-generation aircraft of other fields--Dive-Bombing, Torpedo-Bombing, and the creation of a small heavy bomber line.

On the ground Yamamoto reorganizes the SNLF units into a Brigade-Sized offensive force and—knowing it will be a war of attrition—converts many Naval Guard into enhanced units with Coastal Defense artillery (using guns taken from refitted warships) for a stronger defensive unit. Additional small units are added to the IJN’s Troops and support units better reflecting Yamamoto's foresight into base building, defense, and expansion needs. While all these units are small and not in great number they promise to help the Japanese war effort.

The foresight of the Admiral pays off during late-1942 and 1943 as new ships, aircraft, and ground units enter into the Japanese Order-of-Battle, however, the cost is steep. Though expanded and using modern aircraft many Japanese Naval Air units start with their experience lowered to reflect the dilution of the experienced pilots into new units that start in Japan or arrive during 1942-1943.

Supply and fuel reserves start at a much reduced state. The Japanese MUST take the DEI as fast as possible!

Once war begins BTSL postulates Yamamoto’s influence upon the wartime Kaigun. Four more improved Shokaku-Class CVs are ordered, and the conversion of several CLs into CVLs is added. First class destroyers are accelerated and emphasis is shifted to the AA Akizuki-Class at the expense of the more balanced Yugumo’s. Manpower is at a premium within the Fleet so Submarines, Escorts, and ASW forces all see a major retooling reflecting the Japanese quality over quantity belief. Yamamoto chooses the immediately useful projects, large APs converting to CVEs, better destroyers, fast transports and coastal defense forces.

Allied Changes
It should be noted that not all the changes are for the Japanese. Between the Storms brings major additions and more choice for the Allied Player. The Allies see continued major changes in their starting locations, new air units, the addition of Training Squadrons on mainland USA to allow for an American pilot training program, enhanced aircraft production numbers, additional Allied FP groups, several ground units, additional New Zealand and Australian ships, a French Squadron at Tahiti, the CL Eendract for the DEI, a stronger Force Z, a CLAA conversion for the Omaha-CL, an additional pair of CVLs, and optional conversion of the Kittyhawk Class AKV and Tangier Class AV into CVEs. The added warships reflect a ‘stopgap’ counter to the increased Japanese strength found at war’s start.

Additionally, the Hepburn Board's recommendation to augmenting and expanding many Pacific Bases is heeded and work is sped up at Wake, Midway, the Aleutians, and in the South Pacific. While work has just begun in many ways, these advances pose a tougher problem for Japan if she moves east or southeast.

As war clouds gather on the horizon, the United States makes several important decisions (1) to slightly reinforce the Asiatic Fleet with an additional CA and 4 modern DDs, (2) Admiral Hart also decides to follow his inner thoughts and begin development of Cebu as an alternate anchorage, and (3) the Scouting Force, commanded by Vc-Adm Wilson, is sent south to protect the ships helping to develop Pago Pago into a forward operating base. This powerful Task Force serves to aid the convoy going to the Philippines (The Pensacola TF) and the empty TF returning from the Philippines (The Chester TF). In a major development Winston Churchill decides, at the last minute, to add HMS Renown to Force Z to better demonstrate British 'resolve' reflecting the seriousness of Japan's overt aggression. Repairs on HMS Indomitable are rushed and this valuable carrier is just days away from assisting Force Z by providing invaluable air cover. Is it too little, too late?

How well can YOU do to use these new tools OR how well can you stop the Japanese Navy in its tracks as the Allies?

General Info
In addition to its own special modifications, Between the Storms has been made fully compatible with DaBabes and thus has more ship classes than stock, and many more of the smaller vessels comprising these classes for both sides: yard oilers, coastal minesweepers, auxiliary subchasers, patrol boats, minefield tenders, and many others designed to give a more robust and realistic feel to the development, population, capabilities, and logistical support of bases and rear and operational areas. Database elements have been modified to provide more realistic results for AAA (flak) combat, ASW combat, and certain minor, but nevertheless fun, aspects of naval combat, like land bombardment and coastal defense fire and new modifications to ATA combat. The modifications include lining-up and unifying data elements within certain fields, so that things interface more smoothly, as well as substantial changes to the data elements themselves.



Garrison requirements have been raised in China as well as India to, hopefully, better reflect the political environment of the regions.



If using the special road movement pwhexe.dat file this serves to slow movement in the CBI Theatre.


Japan deploys its few new ships to protect the Invasion TFs coming from Babeldoap and Cam Rahn Bay as the Kido Butai steams towards its rendezvous with destiny at Pearl Harbor…
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RE: Morning Star, Midnight Sun (BTSL 2.0)

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Turn ONE is done. The bombs and torpedoes have fallen and hit or missed.

Kitakami--Jump in if you wish!
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Greetings and salutations! ;p

I am a die hard JFB who decided to play the Dark Side (TM), or the Allies as others call it, for a change. I know more about Japanese forces, strategy, and tactics than I know the Allied ones, so I am certain this will be a great learning experience.

And I am off, not to return!!!
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Thanks Kitakami. The thread is now closed.
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Thanks Kitakami. The thread is now closed.

Apparently, he gave up. He said that he would never return. [&o]

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In this Mod, the Japanese start with the following deployed Carriers:

Kido Butai (at Etorofu)
Akagi and Amagi (no Kaga as the sisters are built regardless of the quake--81 Planes--24 Zero, 27 Val, 27 Kate, and 3 Recon Kate)
Shokaku and Zuikaku (72 Planes--24 Zero, 24 Val, 21 Kate, and 3 Recon Kate)
CVLs Karasu and Ryukaku (33 Planes--21 Zero and 12 Kate)
CAVs Tokachi and Kushiro (3x2 8" Guns and 30 Planes--21 Zero, 6 Kate, and 3 Recon Kate)

Total Aircraft: 432 with 180 Zero, 102 Val, 132 Kate, and 18 Kate Recon

CarDiv2
Hiryu and Soryu are at Saipan (Combined Fleet HQ) with 69 Planes--21 Zero, 24 Val, and 24 Kate.

CarDiv3
CVL Zuiho and Ryujo (21 Zero, 9 Kate, and 3 Kate Recon and 24 Zero, 12 Kate, and 3 Kate Recon) at Cam Rahn Bay

CVE TF
CVE Hosho, Ibuki, and Taiyo (The first two are sisters with 9 Claude and 6 Mabel while Taiyo carries 18 Claude and 9 Mabel) at Babeldoap

So...Japan starts with 2 CVL, 2 CAV Hybrids, and 1 CVE added to their OOB.

Next Post will show the full additions to the Imperial Navy's OOB.
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Additional/Changed Japanese Ships built:

Pre-Treaty Years (1918-1930)

CV Amagi instead of CV Kaga
CVL Ryukaku
CVE Ibuki
BB Tosa
BC Ishitaka
LBC Chichibu
CA Yoshino, Miyako, Chishima, and Seiki (Myoko-Class)
CL Minase, Otonase, and Ayase
DD +4 Minekaze-Class
SS +3 ML SS and +4 I-Boats

Circle One Plan (1930)

CA Mogami and Mikuma (8”)
CA Kako, Aoba, Furutaka, and Kinugasa down-gunned from 8” to 6” CLs
CL Suzuyu and Kumano (6”)
CAV Kushiro and Tokachi
CVL Karasu
+2 DD Shiratsuyu-Class

Circle Two Plan (1934)

CV Hiryu and Soryu as Hiryu-Class
CL Tone and Chikuma (6”)
CS Mizuho added as 3rd Chitose-Class
+2 DD Asashio-Class

Circle Three Plan (1937)

CV Shokaku and Zuikaku
CS Nisshin built as CVL
BB 2 Owari-Class
CA 2 Niitaka-Class
DD +3 Kagero-Class (not as dummy Yamato-Class Decoys)

No Katori-Class Training Cruisers (two old CLs used instead)


Circle Four Plan (1940)

CV 2 Shokaku-Class
BC 2 B-65
CA 2 Niitaka-Class
New Tokoro-Class CL (3x3 6") replacing Agano-Class (3x2 6")
No Taiho-Class CV



Circle Five Plan (1941)
CV 4 Shokaku-Kai
CVL 3 Aso-Class (Tokoro Conversions)
BB 2 Owari-Class
CA 2 Niitaka-Class


That is the complete redesign of the Imperial Navy. You ask about the Allies? Next Posting...




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Allied OOB Changes:



United States

CV Wasp (Yorktown-Class) and Ranger
CVL King’s Mountain
CVE Langley and Eli
CLV Charlotte and Jacksonville
BB Washington (Colorado-Class)
BC Constellation (Lexington-Class)
LBC Chesapeake
CA Rome and Burlington
DD +4 Mahan and +4 Farragut-Class
SS +3 Flying Fish-Class, +1 Argonaut-Class, and +1 Narwhal-Class


United Kingdom

BC Renown
CLAA Dido and Argonaut
DD +4 DD
SS +2 T-Class


France

CL Jean de Vienne
DD +3 Le Hardi-Class
SS +4 (2 Pascal-Class and 2 Surcouf-Class)

The French also gain a powerful Battlecruiser TF in Late Spring 1942 with Strasbourg, Dunkerque, CA Algerie, CL Lamotte-Picquet, 3 DD, and 3 SS.


Australia
CAV Melbourne
DD +4 Admiralty S-Class
SS +2 T-Class


New Zealand
CAV Wellington
DD +2 Admiralty S-Class


Netherland East Indies
CL Eendracht

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Well, I will bow out know as I have given your opponent advice.

Have fun . . .
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Thank You Sir.
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Had a good laugh. Jorge accidentally subscribed himself to the AAR! Oops. Fixed now.
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What's the rationale for you house rule number 8 (the 50% prep)? Slowing down the operational tempo?
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It is. Good observation.

In my current game against Sean (Jan 44) I have taken out ALL of China. To say that was unlikely is a monstrous understatement. The Mods were supposed to launch using Big B's China Mod. Unfortunately...that has not happened yet so imposing this artificial rule should help to slow things. Have never used it so we'll see how it goes.
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Dec 7, 1941

"Once more unto the breach Dear Friends!"

The cry of "Tora. Tora. Tora." reaches Combined Fleet HQ at Saipan as well as Naval Minister Yamamoto's office officially opening the Pacific War. The Japanese throw 159 Zero, 102 Val, and 132 Kate against Pearl Harbor. I lower CAP to zero so every fighter flies. Six of the eight Kansen units attack the AF while the other two provide CAP.

By the end of the attack, PH's AFs are a disaster. Eleven planes are destroyed with 48 Damaged, Airbase takes 39 hits and the Runways take 90 hits. NICE!

The Port Attack is terribly average:

BBs
New Mexico 2 800 Kg--8 Bombs--2 TTs: On Fire
Mississippi 2 800 KG--12 Bombs--1 TT: Heavy Fires
Idaho 3 800 Kg--12 Bombs--3 TT: Heavy Damage
Arizona 17 Bombs: On Fire
Oklahoma 14 Bombs: On Fire
California 2 800 Kg--7 Bombs: On Fire
Tennessee 3 800 Kg--8 Bombs--3 TT: On Fire
Washington 1 800 Kg--21 Bombs--2 TT: Heavy Damage
Nevada 2 800 Kg--12 Bombs--4 TT: Heavy Damage

Cruisers
San Francisco 2 Bombs
Helena 3 Bombs: On Fire
Phoenix 1 Bomb
St Louis 1 Bomb

DDs
Five DDs are hit with Mugford and Henley SUNK.

Others
AV Tangier 1TT
AV Wright 2 Bombs
AV Curtiss 2 Bombs
1 DM--1 DMS--2 SS Hit


PLANS:
Kido Butai will move SE and SWEEP PH with six Kansen Daitai. Dive Bombers and Torpedo Bombers will strike the lesser Ports.

Want another Port Strike on the 9th.
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December 7, 1941
The Philippines


The Japanese Naval Air Arm concentrates in Formosa to crush the Americans at Iba, Clark, Manila, and Cagayan. Two large Zero Daitai and every Betty or Nell in the SW Pacific sits at Takao.

Surprisingly at Iba and Clark there is spirited American Fighter resistance.

Iba
This base is crushed by 45 Zero and 63 Nells flying in at 5,000 Ft. They fight their way through 18 P-40s and hit the Airbase 29 times and the Runway 93 times. For a Zero and 2 Nells, the Allies lose about 6-7 fighters.

Clark
The complex at Clark is hit at the same time by 45 Zero and 108 Betty. Here we see 23 P-40s in the air. Two Zero and three Betty fall before the bombs drop. A total of 8 P-40 are destroyed, 41 planes are damaged, with the Airbase being smothered with 62 hits and the runway is pulverized by a whopping 152 hits!

Manila
The American forces at Manila are targeted by CARDIV2 of Japan. The Hiryu and Soryu launch an all-out strike of 38 Zero, 45 Val, and 47 Kate. These 92 planes do far better then their brothers at Pearl Harbor! The damaged shipping is enormous: 13 Fleet Boats, 3 S-Boats, 2 AS, 2 AK, 2 AKL, 1 ARD, 1 PG, 1 AO, sink a YO, sink an AM, damage an AM, 1 AVD, sink an AP, hit DD Peary, 2 TK, 1 ACM, and 1 AP.

Batan
Captured by a small BF.

Cagayan
Nine Nells hit this base damaging 11 B-17, AB 5, Runway 35.

PLANS
The Carriers will strick around and SWEEP Manila. Two CVLs will contribute to the SWEEP as well. We will crush the P-40s and then come back for more shipping.
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Pleased to see you back in the saddle with a new AAR. Good luck and may your BANZAIS be plentiful.
Kido Butai, although powerful, was a raiding force, and this is exactly how the Japanese understood its usage. 'Shattered Sword'
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Why Thank You Sir!

I have thought about re-starting Sean and I's AAR to go through a game that is in 1944 but I felt it was more important to work on this complete revamp of the Mod.

Should be fun!

Jorge says he is nearly done with Turn TWO (after 4 days) so I expect to have it this afternoon. Will Post the rest of this turn's action when I get home from work.
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Can you always counterattack in a contested hex, or do you have to wait to get to 50% in China?
Is the purpose of the [3] strength Kate Recon[they upgrade to Jill's not the recon Judy] units on CV's; to give the Japanese player the ability to change them to regular Naval bombers and increase their size?
Is there any size limit to increasing squadron size?
Can you bomb from 25,000 in 42? ex ports

Not important, just observations:
Fuji CB, to put all that on a 16,000t hull?[half the weight of an Alaska?] just make them 24,000t
G6 still unrealistic, to many planes, too much armor, too fast on a 14,500t hull; just make them 24,000t.
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Can you always counterattack in a contested hex, or do you have to wait to get to 50% in China?
Is the purpose of the [3] strength Kate Recon[they upgrade to Jill's not the recon Judy] units on CV's; to give the Japanese player the ability to change them to regular Naval bombers and increase their size?
Is there any size limit to increasing squadron size?
Can you bomb from 25,000 in 42? ex ports

Not important, just observations:
Fuji CB, to put all that on a 16,000t hull?[half the weight of an Alaska?] just make them 24,000t
G6 still unrealistic, to many planes, too much armor, too fast on a 14,500t hull; just make them 24,000t.

Can counterattack certainly. I've never tried this rule but it should slow things down some.

The CVLs are completely re-worked following Genda and Fuchida's plan of creating a THREE carrier CARDIV (2 CV and 1 CVL). The CVL acts as a CAP carrier and does search/recon while the Fleet CVs carry the punch. The average air group in a CVL is now 21 Z, 6 Kate, and 3 Recon-Kate. The Recon-Kate upgrade to the Recon-Judy.

Squadron Size has not been discussed but I regulate myself pretty well there. Biggest abuse I have here is making all the FP groups either 12 or 24.

I guess you can bomb from high altitude. Don't know/haven't thought on that at all.

The Fuji-Class LBC is not in this MOd.

If you can provide me differing data on the G.6, please do. I am working on the plans that were written down. They are big CAVs coming in at 15-17,000 Ton. I did modify them down some from when we introduced them years ago.
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