ORIGINAL: Lobster
I love conspiracies. They make good movies. [;)]
Same here, for some reason I visit their nests on youtube from time to time, just for the lulz. They tend to attract a really weird fauna. They always deliver and never disappoint [:D]
Now there are MacConspiracies and Big Mac Conspiracies
re Covid-19, a lot of people are saying we won't be back to "normal" from coronavirus pandemic anytime soon [:(] And besides, we are only on phase II now (Europe + the US are the epicenters). Phase III has always been (to WHO) the really scary scenario: the day the virus strikes in the global south.
It might not kill like the Spanish Flu but it's definitely a phenomenon that the youngsters today will remember in 2080, 2090 [X(]
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"Hitler is a horrible sexual degenerate, a dangerous fool" - Mussolini, circa 1934
ORIGINAL: Zap
" Its a crazy theory but is it possible they [China] see this a way eradicate some of their overcrowded population."
Crazy stuff. Who wrote this lunacy? A krokodil addict, no doubt.
And that's a good example on how conspiracy theories cannot grasp the most basic, elemental real world facts [:D]
In november 2013, the Chinese relaxed the one-child policy. Why? because the population pyramid is starting to look like the west's pyramid aka ageing populations. In other words, just like in the west, they need more babies now [;)]
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Throw in some aliens though. Now if you're talking about a sordid plan like here and here [:D]
... and yet... eugenics are truly a quintessential anglo-saxon thing, my friend. Looks like we are dealing with psychological projection here eh hehe
Why do you constantly defend the Chinese Communist Government and their lies? The truth is that the Chinese created this virus and unleashed it first on their own people and then on the world. The Chinese Communists are to blame and bear full responsibility for all the deaths..
That is the truth, but you seem to be a denier of the facts and a defender of one of the most vile murderous and lying governments the world has seen. The evil Chinese Communists.
Quick! Intelligence services around the world, give this man a job! He knows stuff!
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always get mixed up, is consistency the hobgoblin or the orc of small minds:
ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
ORIGINAL: loki100
my point is I cited official figures from the Republic of Ireland (& that apply purely in the Republic). Now since they have a substantial degree of wider testing and contact tracing they probably are more accurate than those reported by many states - in effect they are capturing a lot more of the 'ill but not hospitalised' than say England.
The figures I have for Ireland are 12547 cases and 444 deaths. No recoveries. That's from the ECDC.
I'm open to credible evidence to the contrary, but no one has sourced any yet.
And no one's credentials are evidence of anything.
I finally figured out what this “expert” was doing – none of the above whatsoever. He was just dividing the total deaths by the population of Ireland!! In other words, his “death rate” was the rate of death for just being in Ireland! Not the death rate for having COVID-19 – which is what matters. I tumbled to this because Trump did the same thing yesterday (not as deceptively as this guy, though).
The detail we need to know is that the population of Ireland is only 4.8 million. That’s 48 groups of 100,000. So, to have a death rate of only 7 per 100,000, Ireland can have no more than 48 x 7 = 336 total deaths. That was probably the case when this guy made his claim. Now it’s 571 deaths, meaning it can’t have a death rate below 11.9 per 100,000. And that assumes everyone in Ireland has acquired and recovered from the disease!
This emphasizes my most important point above: EVIDENCE TRUMPS CREDENTIALS!!!
Because if you don’t know the methodology used in someone’s figures, you can be suckered – as happened above. And remember that politicians (which is what the above “expert” is) are well motivated to put the rosiest spin on any situation. We can expect a flood of such figures soon from everywhere on Earth.
I repeat: I don’t care what your credentials are. What is your evidence?!!
I feel like I am distrustful of an article that uses the term "whites" as a term for the villainous invaders. Especially when they do not have any figures of the different ethnicities of this group. It actually feel racist to me. But, on the other hand, what do I know, maybe there are all 100% "white". Although I seriously doubt that.
+1
A link to the article would also be nice.
It would also be nice to have a comparison of how the health service works for other members of society, whether he went to clinics or hospitals, et cetera.
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“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
― Julia Child
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
A link to the article would also be nice.
It would also be nice to have a comparison of how the health service works for other members of society, whether he went to clinics or hospitals, et cetera.
Only the part that Rico pasted here is available. The rest is behind a paywall. Well, Brazil's healthcare system is not a state-of-the-art sector... it's the global south after all. Last week, they distributed cardboard coffins in Ecuador [;)] Healthcare personnel will do their best in NY, Ulan Bator or Papua New Guinea... but they all without exceptions need equipment, supplies. And when you think the phase II victims are being caught totally unprepared... imagine phase III (Brazil and Co)...
"Hitler is a horrible sexual degenerate, a dangerous fool" - Mussolini, circa 1934
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
A link to the article would also be nice.
It would also be nice to have a comparison of how the health service works for other members of society, whether he went to clinics or hospitals, et cetera.
Only the part that Rico pasted here is available. The rest is behind a paywall. Well, Brazil's healthcare system is not a state-of-the-art sector... it's the global south after all. Last week, they distributed cardboard coffins in Ecuador [;)] Healthcare personnel will do their best in NY, Ulan Bator or Papua New Guinea... but they all without exceptions need equipment, supplies. And when you think the phase II victims are being caught totally unprepared... imagine phase III (Brazil and Co)...
Well, health institution is vague. It could mean anything from a shack with a nurse or a nurse practitioner to a full fledged hospital with all of the latest gadgets. He could have started out at the lowest tier which would have been closest to where he lived and ended up at a hospital with more testing and equipment available.
But the longer this goes on, the more effective treatments are known and, just as important, what NOT to do.
Seek peace but keep your gun handy.
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
― Julia Child
I will translate "white" by "those who have power".
I am a descendant of "white", my ancestors shed their blood all over the world; always to be enriched spiritually, and also it must be said materially. I do not endorse anything but I take on this heritage.
I don't judge anyone, others do it very well.[:D]
I'm just trying to understand ...
always get mixed up, is consistency the hobgoblin or the orc of small minds:
ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
The figures I have for Ireland are 12547 cases and 444 deaths. No recoveries. That's from the ECDC.
I'm open to credible evidence to the contrary, but no one has sourced any yet.
And no one's credentials are evidence of anything.
I finally figured out what this “expert” was doing – none of the above whatsoever. He was just dividing the total deaths by the population of Ireland!! In other words, his “death rate” was the rate of death for just being in Ireland! Not the death rate for having COVID-19 – which is what matters. I tumbled to this because Trump did the same thing yesterday (not as deceptively as this guy, though).
The detail we need to know is that the population of Ireland is only 4.8 million. That’s 48 groups of 100,000. So, to have a death rate of only 7 per 100,000, Ireland can have no more than 48 x 7 = 336 total deaths. That was probably the case when this guy made his claim. Now it’s 571 deaths, meaning it can’t have a death rate below 11.9 per 100,000. And that assumes everyone in Ireland has acquired and recovered from the disease!
This emphasizes my most important point above: EVIDENCE TRUMPS CREDENTIALS!!!
Because if you don’t know the methodology used in someone’s figures, you can be suckered – as happened above. And remember that politicians (which is what the above “expert” is) are well motivated to put the rosiest spin on any situation. We can expect a flood of such figures soon from everywhere on Earth.
I repeat: I don’t care what your credentials are. What is your evidence?!!
Yes, you should know about being suckered . . .
Seek peace but keep your gun handy.
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
― Julia Child
This would not be surprising given that serious disease samples have been mishandled by the U.S. and a disease does not have to be engineered by a laboratory to escape a laboratory. They deal in natural viruses all the time. Sooner or later there was going to be a pandemic regardless of how it started. Escaped from a lab, passed from camels, bats or monkeys to people. In the end it's all the same and the end result will also be the same. Any thoughts on how long before a movie is made based on this virus?
"The first outbreak of the coronavirus could have happened further south than the central Chinese city of Wuhan as early as September, according to a team of scientists led by the University of Cambridge"
No lab accident then, just a natural phenomenon, apparently.
I could not find the source via the Cambridge thing. Only a Chinese newspaper and British [tabloid] The Sun.
No the Barbaric Chinese Communists Regime created this virus.
READ & RE-READ/ BILL O'REILLY ON CHINA.
Written by Bill O'Reilly
China’s Bio weapon, and Pelosi.. My wife Angie will tell you that I study history and world events fluently every day. I have studied China for many years. To get answers I need to questions, I call many I know in Washington on Capitol Hill (from my tenure on two Presidential campaigns and Presidential talks) and I ask them for straight up answers to better understand what affects us as a nation.
Well, in 2016 America elected a new Sheriff: Donald J Trump. For decades the Chinese walked all over America but the new President said “not anymore”. Trump literally strangled China’s economy to the point their economy was in its worst free fall ever. Trump negotiated a new 50 billion trade agreement. He had Xi by the proverbial balls. America’s economy was on fire and unstoppable. President Xi Jingping knew he could not beat the USA militarily and he knew any domesticated economic attack would fail as our economy was too strong. He had to act. But how?
Enter the USA democrats led by Pelosi and Schiff. Impeachment. A hoax. A distraction for our people and President. Xi Jingping and his thugs see this. They aren’t stupid. They have very intelligent intellectual thinkers in their government. Now you must understand , the Chinese regime are truly Barbarians. Notice I did not say ALL CHINESE. The Chinese people are a good people. I enjoy my interactions with them.
The communist regime has millions of its own citizens slaving in gulags simply for speaking against the government or openly practicing Christianity. Knowing they could not attack us openly they needed to be coy, like a deceptive fox. In my opinion, I believe the regime released a biological weapon upon the world that doesn’t kill everyone, but kills “enough,” especially the elderly and in-firmed. Back in WW 2 Hitler thought the same way. He got rid of what he considered the useless and rejects of society.
Trumps task force uses models to figure things. Xi used and uses “models” too. China's president figured that if he killed a few of his own (a few hundred thousand to them would be a few out of 1.4 billion people) and spread the virus to other nations (especially to the USA) they would “level the economic playing field” and not have fired a shot.
Losses of his own people were acceptable costs of a new war. When China’s own doctors attempted to sound the warning, they were immediately silenced. In fact one died and another has simply disappeared. Trump and the other allied leaders indeed KNOW this is what happened. They have under reported their own deaths. Trump knows he cannot outrightly seek retribution. His news conference today showed me this when he balked publicly about no outright retribution over Xi’s handling of this and he immediately brought up the “trade deal”. However, Trump wasn’t being weak, he too was now being coy. We know this was a biological weapon. The food market story is bullshit.
Xi knows we know it. Trump also today announced he sent two battle groups of destroyers and other ships to sea several days ago to fight drugs and rogue actors like Iran should they try anything.
I say he did this to show Xi he knows what has transpired (we have the greatest intelligence assets) and that they (the Chinese) should rethink further action. Politics is premier. We cannot overtly attack China for what they have done as we would also suffer greatly. We all know this.
But China has temporarily achieved its goal. America was literally consumed by Trumps phony impeachment brought by the ultra left democrats (supported by democrat rank and file and one Republican Mitt Romney) and Xi Jingping saw an opening. He took it. Xi did what Trump usually does...he walked onto the world stage and threw a grenade into the “room” and left. It exploded in the form of this worldwide pandemic. It brought the USA and the rest of the world to its knees and leveled the economic playing field.
Our economy is now near depression. Xi didn’t fire one bullet. Trump needed to up his game of chess and putting our Naval ships to sea was his next move. He said he is a “war” President. He is.
But now on not one but two fronts. One front is the virus and the other front is the Chinese. While the Saudi’s and Russians are screwing with oil prices they aren’t overtly doing what this pandemic is doing. The drug smuggling story for dispatching the Naval Force is bullshit and the world knows it. I am of the opinion Trump can indeed bring us back from this catastrophe albeit with a changed playing field.
But Trump is a genius in chess and financial matters. He’s become a champ at international politics too. I am sure Trump can once again lead the economy to even stronger strength and greatness the it was . He can do it quickly I’m sure of it. He has proved it. Xi Jingping needs to be sent a message loud and clear. NEVER AGAIN. We need to bring all of our critical manufacturing back from China beginning with our medicines they were recently threatening to withhold. We can do it immediately. Again, another reason for Trump putting to sea such a sizable Naval Force. Sending a clear message.
We all must ride out the next few weeks. Then we and the world pick up the pieces and move on. The democrats who have given Xi this opening wrapped in a bow must pay a heavy price in November as they (the democrats) truly have cost and continue to cost America precious lives by the phony scandals. Nancy Pelosi continues to help the Chinese by her daily shameless attacks upon the President and meddling in stimulus packages as she did this last weekend. Yesterday’s statements she made were truly appalling and the lowest of low. I didn’t think she could go any lower. What a disgrace she is to our nation.
But, Pelosi aside, make no mistake, China must and will be taught a lesson the likes they have never seen before and Trump is the man to pull the trigger.
We the people must teach the democrats the same lesson at the polls. They (the radical wing of the party) are the enemy of a free America. I am certain of it. The entire democrat party of our forefathers is dead. Remember people, Trump indeed tried to warn us all of the Conavirus in his State of the Union Speech. He spoke of it. He said he was on top of it.
After he spoke , Nancy Pelosi ripped up the speech calling Trumps words “a manifesto of lies”. She disgraced the country and all of our fellow honored citizens present in the House Chamber. Well she now has American blood on her hands. She is very majorly responsible for these needless deaths as well as the Chinese. Her and Adam Schiff.
The left and democrats laughed as she tore up his speech. Well, as they laughed the disease he just spoke of in that speech came to our shores. Republicans and Democrats alike are now dying. Your family members and mine. Our grandparents and middle aged citizens alike. Bodies are being loaded in trucks with forklifts in Brooklyn outside of hospitals. No one is safe. Our liberty is for the most part suspended. As we bury our dead (without proper funerals) from this calamity let’s drive the nails into the coffin of the Democrat party as well in November.
It’s time people. Stand up for your rights and your country! Our Liberty and survival is at stake! I am praying for God’s blessing on our nation. But, God also gave us the ability to think for ourselves and it’s time we placed blame for all this death where it belongs: on the doorsteps of Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff and Xi Jingping directly. Wake Up America. WAKE UP!
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