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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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ORIGINAL: Hongjian


Some semi official release of China's SSN evolution. Seems like the latest 09IIIB has TASS.

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Translation by Vincent @ CDF:

On October 15, 2016, the decommissioned first SSN was pulled by tugboats into the Naval Museum in Qingdao. It is believe this former pride of PLAN will be shown to the public soon.This publication provide the following based on published info:

09 IIIB SSN, differences from the standard edition are smoother shape, remove the observation windows, addition of VLS in the back, visible bulges at the front and mid-ship above the water line and towed sonar array at the rear fin.

09 IIIA SSN, differences from the standard edition is the the addition of smoothing shape between the hull and the coning tower

09 III SSN, first of the type went into the water in 2001. Uses similar pressure hull (?) as the LA class and a 7 blade low noise propeller. Changed the single line of water ejection system to multiple ones. The hull is covered in sound dampening tiles

09 IB SSN, uses a single line of water ejection system, later boats installed flank sonars, has the ability to fire YJ82 anti-ship missiles

09 IA SSN, only one ship (403). Length is increased and the water ejection system combines a single line system and a number of individual ones. The ship installed flank sonars later on. Still in service

09 I SSN, first boat introduced on December 26, 1970. Decommissioned

Have any dates on these changes?

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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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I've added a 2018 Variant of the J-10A with the missile.

Navy stuff I need help with. I need picture or something to support the PL-10 and PL-15. You would think that just getting the missile when the PLAAF does is logical but it really doesn't seem to happen that way. If you can get me a picture or something to support he change I'll do it.

Next we need ASM loadouts for Navy J-10's. Assume YJ-83 but not sure. Seems weird that a naval multirole has yet to be pictured with one!

A big update coming is we've replaced all Chinese ASM's with correctly designated YJ missiles. I think we got them all and captured the updates through the years but please do let us know if we're wrong. We got great info on what the missiles actually are but some of the details on implementation and changes are murky.

Thanks!

Mike

Navy J-10A you mean? IIRC the J-10A and J-10AH (PLANAF) still have yet to show any meaningful differences aside of their different color-scheme and serial numbers. I would still wait with the YJ-83 change here anyway.

And sounds good with the redesignation/name-fixes of the YJ-missiles. The old C-XXX designations for export missiles seems to be superceeded with the new CM-XXX anyway...
Have any dates on these changes?

Mike

I have made a chart for that some times ago, based on the findings and info posted on the internet; the date is when these boats have been spotted first:

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What I didnt find is any information about the intermediate "Type 09 IIIA" class - this photo showing it crossing the strait of Malacca from this year is basically is the only one available and the first ever confirmation that this intermediate upgrade to the now serial-produced 09 IIIB even existed in the first place. So, it is impossible to tell the construction date - only that it has to be a predecessor to the 09 IIIB due to its less radical changes compared to the vanilla 09 III.
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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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Platform requests:

multi-mission launcher (MML):
IOC 2019-2020
15 cell launcher on truck
Missile options - AIM-9x, MHTK, hellfire, stinger, tamir
http://defense-update.com/20160420_tamir_mml.html
http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/missi ... ncher-mml/

AN/MPQ-64F1 improved Sentinel radar:
Updated generation and specs as below
http://www.armyrecognition.com/norway_n ... 12155.html
http://www.thalesraytheon.com/fileadmin ... l_2011.pdf
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... b_2016.pdf

Ground launched AIM-9x:
similar as specs as air launched with shorter range
https://www.army.mil/article/165134/U_S ... h_platform

Minature Hit to kill missile:
9 missiles per multi mission launcher cell
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/d ... ochure.pdf
http://www.army-technology.com/projects ... k-missile/
http://www.janes.com/article/62811/lock ... nterceptor


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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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Hello,

It looks like the fuel capacity for the #26 T-AO 187 Henry J. Kaiser fleet oiler is low.

DB shows 1629 tons oil + 165 tons gas + 165 tons diesel = 1,959 tons total.

However, this is a 42,000 ton ship at full displacement, and Wiki etc. report a fuel capacity of 28300 cubic meters, which would be roughly 27,000 tons of fuel, so the 1,959 ton figure seems very low.

For comparison, the smaller T-AOT 1121 Gus W. Darnell oiler has a capacity of 22,700 tons in the DB.

Thanks.

Updated and Andy's in beta to check it out. Asking him to ping me if he finds anything stupid.
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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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Another tanker capacity item:

#1223 A 268 Green Rover, and #333 A 268 Green Rover have fuel capacities listed as 965 tons oil and 123 tons diesel.

These are 11,500 ton ships at full displacement, and Wiki etc. show a 7,460 cubic meter oil capacity, which would be roughly 7,000 tons of fuel oil.


(Flicking through some of the other tankers in the DB, it seems like there are a bunch of them with very low fuel capacities. Maybe there's a calculation hiccup somewhere?)

Same as above
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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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Hi Andrew. No hiccup just didn't have data or old data. if you want to help collecting this would be helpful.


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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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Hello

it looks like the #1212 Type 2051 sonar are currently only has passive only search, but the type 2051 itself is the replacement for the type 187 which has passive and active attack sonar.
could you add passive and active sonar attack to #1212 type 2051 sonar.

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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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DDG-167 Shenzhen MLU (Type 051B Luhai-class), seems to be equipped with up to sixteen YJ-12A, actually! The launch containers arent YJ-83 at all. The lids shown here are "flat" and do not have the tpyical rectangular convex structure.

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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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DDG-167 Shenzhen MLU (Type 051B Luhai-class), seems to be equipped with up to sixteen YJ-12A, actually! The launch containers arent YJ-83 at all. The lids shown here are "flat" and do not have the tpyical rectangular convex structure.

I see what you mean but it could mean new box launchers too. Lets wait for more concrete evidence. We learned a big lesson with jumping the shark on the imagery C-803 and don't want a repeat.

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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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Updated my worklist to this point. Thank you all.

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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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Plenty of corrections and suggestions to help the database viewer search engine.


Fixed-wing:

#3327 - Tornado ECR MLU --> Tornado ECR [EA-200D] (MLU as side note similar to DB unit #3806)
#1403 - A.400M Grizzly --> A.400M Atlas [Grizzly] (German A.400M are designated Atlas also)
#1227 - F-4E Phantom II --> F-4E Phantom II [Terminator 2020] (Name composition similar to the Greek and Israeli Phantoms in the DB)
#813 - F-4E Phantom II --> F-4E Phantom II [Terminator 2020]
#4245 - F-4E Phantom II --> F-4E Phantom II [Terminator 2020]
#4241 - F-4E Phantom II --> F-4E Phantom II [Terminator 2020]
#1185 - MiG-29 Fulcrum A [UPG MLU] --> MiG-29UPG Fulcrum A (Official designation given by RAC MiG for upgraded Indian Fulcrums. MLU as side note?)
#4554 - MQ-25 Stingray UCAV --> MQ-25A Stingray UAV (First delivery to take place in 2021)
#3169 - MQ-25 Stingray UCAV [Armed] --> MQ-25A Stingray UCAV [Armed]
#847 - Su-27SM2/3 Flanker B --> Su-27SM/SM3 (Back in 2006, the original SM2 designation was reserved for what would later become the Su-35BM)
#4402 - F-16AM Falcon MLU --> F-16AM Falcon MLU [Peace Carpathian]
#4403 - F-16BM Falcon MLU --> F-16BM Falcon MLU [Peace Carpathian]
#4513 - Airbus A.310-200 MRTT --> Airbus A.330-200 MRTT
#1490 - RF-4C Phantom II [C.12] --> RF-4C Phantom II [CR.12]
#1271 - Mirage IIIEE --> Mirage IIIEE [C.11]
#1272 - Mirage IIIEE --> Mirage IIIEE [C.11]
#889 - F.27-200MAR Maritime --> F.27-200MAR Maritime [D.2] (Operated by the Air Force)


Rotary-wing:

#412 - Lynx Mk21A [SAH-11] --> Lynx Mk21A [AH-11A]
#1918 - AS.555C2 Fennec [UH-12] --> AS.350B Ecureuil [UH-12] (AS.350B assembled by Helibras in Brazil, locally designated HB.350B1 Esquilo)
#798 - AW.101 Merlin --> AW.101 Merlin Mk.512 TTT (Operated by the Royal Danish Air Force. Remove Mk512 from side note)
#3899 - AW.101 Merlin [CH-101] --> AW.101 Merlin Mk.518 [CH-101]
#3898 - AW.101 Merlin AMCM [MCH-101] --> AW.101 Merlin Mk.518 AMCM [MCH-101]
#1969 - AW.101 Mk.110 Merlin ASW [SH-101A] --> AW.101 Merlin Mk.110 ASW [SH-101A]
#649 - AW.101 Mk.110 Merlin ASW [SH-101A] --> AW.101 Merlin Mk.110 ASW [SH-101A]
#2162 - AW.101 Mk.110 Merlin ASW [SH-101A] --> AW.101 Merlin Mk.110 ASW [SH-101A]
#2400 - AW.101 Mk.410 Merlin TTH [UH-101A] --> AW.101 Merlin Mk.410 TTH [UH-101A]
#877 - AW.101 Mk.413 Merlin ASH [MH-101A] --> AW.101 Merlin Mk.413 ASH [MH-101A]
#4463 - AW.101 Mk.611 Merlin CSAR [HH-101A Ceasar] --> AW.101 Merlin Mk.611 CSAR [HH-101A Ceasar]
#648 - CH-149A Cormorant [AW.101 Merlin] --> CH-149A Cormorant [AW.101 Merlin Mk.511]
#3707 - Z-18 Super Frelon --> Z-18A
#3707 - Z-18FQ Super Frelon --> Z-18F
#3703 - Z-18YJ Super Frelon [Black Bat] --> Z-18J Black Bat
#3351 - AH-1G Cobra --> AH-1G Cobra [Z.14]
#1443 - Bo-105C --> Bo-105C [HR.15]
#1965 - MD-500M/ASW Defender --> MD-500M/ASW Defender [Z.13]
#1431 - MD-500M/ASW Defender --> MD-500M/ASW Defender [Z.13]
#3049 - MD-500M/ASW Defender --> MD-500M/ASW Defender [HS.13] (Last Z.13 aircraft written off in 1996. All remaining aircraft designated HS.13)
#2357 - NH90 TTH --> NH90 TTH [HT.29]
#1967 - SH-3D Sea King --> SH-3D Sea King [Z.9A]
#898 - SH-3D Sea King --> SH-3D Sea King [HS.9] (HS.9 designation used from at least 1981 onwards)
#1935 - SH-3H(AEW) Sea King --> SH-3H(AEW) Sea King [HS.9]
#668 - SH-3W Sea King AEW --> SH-3W Sea King AEW [HS.9]
#3374 - Wildcat Mk.x [AW.159] --> AW.159 Wildcat Mk.210
#2355 - NH90 NFH --> NH90 NFH [Caiman Marine]
#2356 - NH90 TTH --> NH90 TTH [Caiman]


Ship:

#130 - 38 Perth [Charles F. Adams] --> D 38 Perth [Perth Class, Charles F. Adams]
#1473 - 38 Perth [Charles F. Adams] --> D 38 Perth [Perth Class, Charles F. Adams]
#1472 - 38 Perth [Charles F. Adams] --> D 38 Perth [Perth Class, Charles F. Adams]
#278 - 41 Brisbane [Charles F. Adams] --> D 41 Brisbane [Perth Class, Charles F. Adams]
#277 - 41 Brisbane [Charles F. Adams] --> D 41 Brisbane [Perth Class, Charles F. Adams]
#571 - 41 Brisbane [Charles F. Adams] --> D 41 Brisbane [Perth Class, Charles F. Adams]
#1237 - 82 Huon [Gaeta] --> M 82 Huon [Gaeta]
#161 - 82 Huon [Gaeta] --> M 82 Huon [Gaeta]
#165 - DE 45 Yarra [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12M Rothesay Class] --> DE 46 Parramatta [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12M Rothesay Class] (Although HMAS Yarra was launched first, Parramatta was lead ship of the class and also commissioned first)
#1778 - DE 45 Yarra [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12M Rothesay Class] --> DE 46 Parramatta [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12M Rothesay Class]
#1775 - DE 45 Yarra [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12M Rothesay Class] --> DE 46 Parramatta [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12M Rothesay Class]
#1776 - DE 53 Swan [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12I Leander Class] --> DE 50 Swan [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12I Leander Class]
#2102 - DE 53 Swan [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12I Leander Class] --> DE 50 Swan [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12I Leander Class]
#880 - DE 53 Swan [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12I Leander Class] --> DE 50 Swan [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12I Leander Class]
#1777 - DE 53 Swan [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12I Leander Class] --> DE 50 Swan [Type 12 River, Mod Type 12I Leander Class]
#1470 - L 50 Tobruk [Sir Lancelot Mod] (Tobruk was decommissioned in Sydney on 31 July 2015)
#874 - L 51 Kanimbla [Newport Mod] (Last ship of the class decommissioned on 25 November 2011)
#2150 - LA-01 LCAC --> LCAC 2101 LA-01
#613 - LCAC --> LCAC 1
#721 - LCAC --> LCAC 1
#2800 - P 81 Piloto Pardo --> OPV 81 Piloto Pardo
#2575 - 621 [MDK Tsaplya , Pr.1206.1 Murena] --> LSF 621 [MDK Tsaplya, Pr.1206.1 Murena]
#90 - SKR Neustrashimy [Pr.1154 Yastreb] --> SKR Neustrashimy [Pr.11540 Yastreb]
#596 - SKR Neustrashimy [Pr.1154 Yastreb] --> SKR Neustrashimy [Pr.11540 Yastreb]
#2951 - DDG 51 Arleigh Burke [Arleigh Burke Flight I, SeaRAM] (USS Porter deployed to Mediterranean and Black Sea in 2016 with SeaRAM installed)
#1452 - 751 Max Reichpietsch [Pr.205 Osa I] --> 701 Max Reichpietsch [Pr.205 Osa I]
#1456 - 911 [Pr.131.400 Libelle] --> 900 [Pr.131.400 Libelle]
#1486 - 43 Artur Becker [Pr.206 Shershen] --> 841 Artur Becker [Pr.206 Shershen] (Hullnumber changed to S 43 later in 1972)
#2998 - Type 89.1 Kondor I --> 301 Greifswald [Pr.89.1 Kondor I] (Correct hullnumber at commissioning at 19 May 1969)
#2997 - Type 89.2 Kondor II --> V 381 Wolgast [Pr.89.2 Kondor II]
#1508 - 611 Hoyerswerda [Pr.109 Frosch I] --> 611 Hoyerswerda [Pr.108 Frosch I]
#3072 - Teluk Gelimanuk[Pr.109 Frosch I] --> 531 Teluk Gelimanuk [Pr.108 Frosch I]
#3073 - 543 Teluk Sirebon [Pr.109 Frosch II] --> 543 Teluk Cirebon [Pr.109 Frosch II]
#2836 - FF 490 Gaziantep [Perry, Gabya Class] --> F 490 Gaziantep [Perry, Gabya Class]
#2565 - Type 815 [851 North Star, Ex-232 Dongdiao] --> Type 815 [851 Beijixing] (Move Ex-232 Dongdiao to side note?)
#2926 - Type 815G [853 Uranus] --> Type 815A [853 Tianwangxing]
#1684 - Type 50 Jinan [Riga Class, 506 Kunming] --> Type 6601 Chengdu [Pr.50 Riga, 505 Kunming] (https://books.google.de/books?id=g3yNDA ... 01&f=false)
#1750 - Type 052 Luhu [112 Haribin] --> Type 052 Luhu [112 Harbin]
#1675 - Type 052 Luhu [112 Haribin] --> Type 052 Luhu [112 Harbin]
#2379 - Type 052 Luhu [112 Haribin] --> Type 052 Luhu [112 Harbin]
#346 - Type 053H2G Jiangwei [539 Anqing] (All ships of class decommissioned 2015)
#3076 - 371 376 Sultan Thaha [Pr.1331 Parchim] --> 376 Sultan Thaha Syaifuddin [Pr.1331 Parchim]
#1120 - D 170 Z1 [Fletcher] --> D 170 Z1 [Fletcher, Type Z119]
#1283 - F 260 Braunschweig [K-130] --> F 260 Braunschweig [Type K130]


Submarine:

#192 - PLA-945 Sierra I [Barrakuda] (All subs of the class remain active through 2016)
#267 - PLA-945A Sierra II [Kondor] (All subs of the class remain active through 2016)
#405 - PLA-885 Severodvinsk [Yasen, Granay] --> PLA-885 Severodvinsk [Yasen] (A lot of confusion about the correct NATO designation but "Granay" is not part of the Russian project designation)
#579 - PLARB-941UM Dimitri Donskoy[Typhoon, Akula] --> PLARB-941UM Typhoon [Akula] (Move Dimitri Donskoy in the side note?)
#114 - S 181 U 31 [Type 212] --> S 181 U 31 [Type 212A]
#498 - S 181 U 31 [Type 212] --> S 181 U 31 [Type 212A]


Facility:

#2481 - Vehicle (1L267 Moskva-1 Mobile Jammer+ELINT) (Russia received the first units end of November 2014, https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... 9868,d.d24)
#2555 - SSM Bn (SS-26 Stone [Iskander-E] TEL) --> SSM Bn (SS-26 Stone [9K720 Iskander-E] TEL)
#2217 - SSM Plt (SSC-6 Switchblade [3K60 Bal-E]) --> SSM Plt (SSC-6 Sennight [3K60 Bal-E]) (NATO designation "Switchblade" only refers to the missile)
#1645 - SAM Bn/2 (SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9K33M3 Osa-AK] --> SAM Bn/2 (SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9K33M3 Osa-AKM]
#1646 - SAM Bn/2 (SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9K33M3 Osa-AK] --> SAM Bn/2 (SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9K33M3 Osa-AKM]
#2508 - SAM Bty (Patriot [PAC-2 GEM]) --> SAM Bty (Patriot [PAC-2 GEM+, PAC-3 ERINT])


Weapons:

#2580 - RIM-156A SM-2ER Blk IV [Anit-ASBM Mod] --> RIM-156A SM-2ER Blk IV [Anti-ASBM Mod]
#3350 - SA-N-24 Grouse [9M337 Sosna-RA] --> SA-N-24 Grinch [9M337 Sosna-RA]
#2693 - SA-N-24 Grouse [9M342] --> SA-N-24 Grinch [9M342]
#1999 - SA-24 Grouse [9M342] --> SA-24 Grinch [9M342]
#2900 - SS-26 Stone [Iskander-E, Penetrator] --> SS-26 Stone [9M723E Iskander-E]
#3222 - SS-26 Stone [Iskander-K] --> SS-26 Stone [9M728 Iskander-K] (Also called R-500 Iskander-K)
#2901 - SS-26 Stone RV [Iskander-E, Penetrator] --> SS-26 Stone RV [9M723E Iskander-E]


Mounts:

#1557 - Sam Sec (SA-24 Grouse [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3) --> Sam Sec (SA-24 Grinch [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3)
#1560 - Sam Sec (SA-24 Grouse [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3) --> Sam Sec (SA-24 Grinch [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3)
#1562 - Sam Sec (SA-24 Grouse [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3) --> Sam Sec (SA-24 Grinch [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3)
#2280 - AAA Plt/3 (23mm ZU-23-2 + SA-24 Grouse [ZOM-1-4] x 2) --> AAA Plt/3 (23mm ZU-23-2 + SA-24 Grinch [ZOM-1-4] x 2)


Sensors:

#1983 - Mi-28 MMR --> N-025 Arbalet (N-025E Arbalet on export Mi-28NE)
#790 - COMINT [Vishnaya] --> SRS-5 Vishnya

Thanks for considering!


Thanks for putting together. Fixed!


[Edit: fixed the Moskva-1 link]
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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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H-6K with 36 externally carried 250kg bombs. Maybe there are another bunch carried internally as well.

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Good confirmation that the H-6K can still do level bombing missions and not just cruise missile launching...

EDIT: This image might even confirm another long rumored thing - the increased payload of the H-6K. Previous H-6 had 9 tons of payload, while the H-6K is rumored to have at least 12 tons, or even 14 tons of payload due to its lighter airframe and more powerful D-30KP engines. With 36 250kg bombs, 9 tons are alread reached. The bombracks, pylons and interfaces alltogether would also not be weightless at all. So, perhaps 11-12 tons of payload capability might be required to get the depicted bombload up into the air.

Just a thought...

Added 36 FAB-250 bombload. Two sources think the internal space is used for fuel so that's how I've configured the load. Will keep adjusting as more information comes to light.
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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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My post from the build 870.4 thread, should have put it here in the start.
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Has the MiG 29 9.12B thing been fixed? Last time I played CMANO, Serbia/Yugoslavia had the regular Soviet version MiG 29 9.12 (or ,,MiG 29A"), but the difference between MiG 29 9.12 (Soviet version), MiG 9.12A (Warsaw pact (Bulgaria, East Germany,...)version) and 9.12B (third countries (Iraq, Yugoslavia,etc.)) version is gigantic.

I don't know much about the Warsaw pact 9.12A version, I know that it is a little downgraded, but the 9.12B version has a radar that is almost two times weaker than the original one, I think that it can't carry all (non-nuclear) AA missiles that the regular version can, it doesn't have an IFF system and I think that it doesn't even have the flares/chaff system, although I am not sure about that last thing.

So could you please replace the Serbian and Iraqi MiG's with the downgraded ones that they really have? The English name for the 9.12B is ,,MiG 29B" I think, so maybe you'll find some info that way.

By the way, Serbia just received 6 MiG's 29 from Russia, 3 - 9.13 versions, 2 - UB versions and one - 9.12 version(original Soviet one), they are supposed to come in March 2017, also Serbia received 30 T-72S tanks (Shilden) and 30 BRDM-2 in that donation. More info about that, in Russian http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2338635.html

I just checked again, it says that Serbia has ,,MiG 29 Fulcrum A" , the Soviets have the exact same thing, but funny thing is that even though the name is same, Serbian one has a ,,Slot Back [N-019EB Rubin]" radar and Soviets have the ,,Slot Back [N-019 Rubin]" , so that is correct, BUT, both have 40nm range, even though the export EB radar has a range that is double less, so I guess around 20nm, there's probably some reliable info on the net.

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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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I had just finished writing a massive, comprehensive post about this, but after hitting the post button it was all lost because I can't post links yet [:(]. Should have saved a draft! Anyways, here's the short version:

#3889 - A-10C Thunderbolt II and #3890 - OA-10C Thunderbolt II (in other words, the 2015 entries) should not have "AN/AAS-35 Pave Penny" - the Pave Penny has been gone for at least a few years. Instead, the LITENING pod should handle LST duties, which it currently does not as far as I can see from looking in the database. These jets should also have the AN/AAR-47 MAWS, which was first spotted on A-10Cs in 2009 and is now ubiquitous. Lastly, these jets should probably receive the HMS/HMD property, as the A-10C's HMCS had left testing and was seeing combat in Afghanistan earlier than January 2014.

If this is not enough to go on and you would still like a comprehensive post with proof, I can try to recreate my original post in about a week when I'm able to post links. Thanks!


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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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US ANG F-15Cs should be have an available Sniper Pod loadout as of 2015.

Combat Aircraft (Oct 2016, "Guardsmen in Bulgaria", pp. 77-78)
"...and two of them (104th FW Mass ANG F-15Cs) also carried the Sniper targetting pod...The Sniper pod is cued by the F-15C's APG-63V(3) radar in order to know where to look to pick up aerial targets at long distances, and has fairly good air-to-air tracking capability. Thus, it has become a useful tool for the homeland air defense mission performed by the ANG Eagles...The Sniper pod, integrated on the F-15C, has been tested successfully in tracking slow-moving and even maritime targets."

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/florid ... 1694154634
The Florida Air National Guard's F-15Cs are some of the most advanced in the world, with many of them receiving the APG-63V3 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. The "V3" as it is called, is a quantum leap in capability over the mechanically scanned array APG-63 and is considered to be one of, if not thee most power and capable air-to-air radar in the world. Also, the 125th FW is the first F-15C unit to incorporate the Sniper targeting pod for air-to-air use, allowing crews to identify targets visually at extreme ranges. To my knowledge, they remain the only unit that is fully operational with the Sniper pod at this time, a capability that will enhance their utility when it comes to intercepting foreign aircraft under various conditions.

https://warisboring.com/the-pentagon-ha ... .5x4h3j3vl
The Air National Guard is ahead of the curve. In 2011, the reserve force began testing the Lockheed-made Sniper targeting pod on one of its approximately 130 Boeing F-15C fighters.
The Sniper pod, normally used to spot ground targets, includes much of the same technology as IRST and has “some pretty good air-to-air tracking capability,” according to Jon Sutter, Lockheed’s Sniper manager.
The two-year Sniper test was meant to improve the reserves’ ability to inspect suspicious aircraft at night—but the IR pod could also work against stealth planes. Northrop Grumman’s Litening pod reportedly has the same ability—especially in its new ATP-SE version.

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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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Here's a new one, not enough to go in the game yet but this baby looks interesting!

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RE: ROKAF KF-16C/D Block 52 will upgrade

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Minor suggested change for the SA-2f/S-75M Volkhov facilities (DB3000 Facility_522, 231, 1459, 1706, 409, 1498, 1332, 1288, 1788, 269, 1621, 16, 1405, 1618; CWDB Facility_754, 909, 720, 961, 759, 964, 1637, 752, 318, 908, 1588):

The listed acquisition ranges of the SA-2f battalion may be too large. In the game, their FAN SONG radars are listed as having an 80 nm range. According to Jane's (IHS. "S-75 Family." Land Warfare Platforms: Artillery & Air Defence, 30 July 2015) , an SA-2f Bn used the E-band FAN SONG F illuminator. This is correctly noted in the database. What is incorrect is that the FAN SONG F had an acquisition range of only 60-120 km (32-65 nm). This is in contrast to the SA-2d and SA-2e-associated FAN SONG E, which operated in the G-Band, and had had a longer acquisition range of 75-145 km (40-78 nm).

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/irfna/irfna ... irdef.html and Global Security (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=us) also report these same range numbers for the FAN SONG E and F.
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