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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/2/2021 6:31:44 PM   
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Bell Textron Inc., a Textron Inc. company, has announced the unveiling of design concepts for new aircraft systems for military applications which would use Bell’s High-Speed Vertical Take-Off and Landing (HSVTOL) technology as the company continues its innovation of next generation vertical lift aircraft. HSVTOL technology blends the hover capability of a helicopter with the speed, range and survivability features of a fighter aircraft.

“Bell’s HSVTOL technology is a step change improvement in rotorcraft capabilities,” said Jason Hurst, vice president, Innovation. “Our technology investments have reduced risk and prepared us for rapid development of HSVTOL in a digital engineering environment, leveraging experience from a robust past of technology exploration and close partnerships with the Department of Defense and Research Laboratories.”

Bell’s HSVTOL design concepts include the following features:

Low downwash hover capability
Jet-like cruise speeds over 400 kts
True runway independence and hover endurance
Scalability to the range of missions from unmanned personnel recovery to tactical mobility
Aircraft gross weights range from 4,000 lbs. to over 100,000 lbs.

Bell’s HSVTOL capability is critical to future mission needs offering a range of aircraft systems with enhanced runway independence, aircraft survivability, mission flexibility and enhanced performance over legacy platforms. With the convergence of tiltrotor aircraft capabilities, digital flight control advancements and emerging propulsion technologies, Bell is primed to evolve HSVTOL technology for modern military missions to serve the next generation of warfighters.

Bell has explored high-speed vertical lift aircraft technology for more than 85 years, pioneering innovative VTOL configurations like the X-14, X-22, XV-3 and XV-15 for NASA, the U.S Army and U.S. Air Force. The lessons learned from the XV-3 and XV-15 supported the development of the Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey tiltrotor, an invaluable platform that changed the way the U.S. military conducts amphibious assault, long range infiltration and exfiltration and resupply with a cruise speed and range twice that of helicopters it replaced.

This press release was prepared and distributed by Bell Textron Inc.
https://verticalmag.com/press-releases/bell-unveils-new-high-speed-vertical-take-off-and-landing-design-concepts-for-military-application/




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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/2/2021 7:48:14 PM   
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Bell Textron Inc., a Textron Inc. company, has announced the unveiling of design concepts for new aircraft systems for military applications which would use Bell’s High-Speed Vertical Take-Off and Landing (HSVTOL) technology as the company continues its innovation of next generation vertical lift aircraft. HSVTOL technology blends the hover capability of a helicopter with the speed, range and survivability features of a fighter aircraft.

“Bell’s HSVTOL technology is a step change improvement in rotorcraft capabilities,” said Jason Hurst, vice president, Innovation. “Our technology investments have reduced risk and prepared us for rapid development of HSVTOL in a digital engineering environment, leveraging experience from a robust past of technology exploration and close partnerships with the Department of Defense and Research Laboratories.”

Bell’s HSVTOL design concepts include the following features:

Low downwash hover capability
Jet-like cruise speeds over 400 kts
True runway independence and hover endurance
Scalability to the range of missions from unmanned personnel recovery to tactical mobility
Aircraft gross weights range from 4,000 lbs. to over 100,000 lbs.

Bell’s HSVTOL capability is critical to future mission needs offering a range of aircraft systems with enhanced runway independence, aircraft survivability, mission flexibility and enhanced performance over legacy platforms. With the convergence of tiltrotor aircraft capabilities, digital flight control advancements and emerging propulsion technologies, Bell is primed to evolve HSVTOL technology for modern military missions to serve the next generation of warfighters.

Bell has explored high-speed vertical lift aircraft technology for more than 85 years, pioneering innovative VTOL configurations like the X-14, X-22, XV-3 and XV-15 for NASA, the U.S Army and U.S. Air Force. The lessons learned from the XV-3 and XV-15 supported the development of the Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey tiltrotor, an invaluable platform that changed the way the U.S. military conducts amphibious assault, long range infiltration and exfiltration and resupply with a cruise speed and range twice that of helicopters it replaced.

This press release was prepared and distributed by Bell Textron Inc.
https://verticalmag.com/press-releases/bell-unveils-new-high-speed-vertical-take-off-and-landing-design-concepts-for-military-application/





That CGI mockup looks extremely Kerbal.

Anyone know what I mean?

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/4/2021 11:09:30 PM   
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That CGI mockup looks extremely Kerbal.

Anyone know what I mean?



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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/5/2021 5:16:06 AM   
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How the hell do we stop both Russia and China now.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/putin-s-flying-nuclear-command-center-presents-a-doomsday-scenario-indeed/ar-AAMWbV3?ocid=msedgntp

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/10/2021 10:24:16 AM   
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Maybe this way for example:

https://news.usni.org/2021/08/09/large-scale-exercise-2021-tests-how-navy-marines-could-fight-a-future-global-battle

Although I have to say, I generally like the KISS approach (keep it simple stupid).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/11/2021 11:57:55 AM   
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https://airrecognition.com/index.php/news/defense-aviation-news/2021/august/7525-us-air-force-conducts-first-live-fire-test-of-advanced-medium-range-air-to-air-missile-using-an-infrared-search-and-track-system.html

Interesting in so much as the capability hasn't been in service sooner than August 2021.
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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/22/2021 7:39:14 PM   
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Interesting charts from 1966 where the F-111 is being compared with the Buccaneer. Probably in an effort to sell the F-111 to the RAF.
Nice ones to ponder about the strategic thoughts behind these locations:
From: https://twitter.com/TotherChris/status/1422877546983657477

A really interesting podcast about F-111 nuclear ops in the Cold War is this one: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0b5aiIshCCz9VIJHvFPn3s?si=9oNc3XKLRvSy3yXBWtKKcA&dl_branch=1
Funny stories, details about nuclear targets, Operation Eldorado Canyon etc. Really recommended.

PS. Sorry I didn't realize the images where this big in size













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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/22/2021 8:22:51 PM   
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https://maps.southfront.org/russia-unveils-new-non-line-of-sight-precision-guided-missile-tested-in-syria-photos/

The Product 305 / 305E LMUR Missile from blurred out reports in 2019 and apparently tested in Syria breaks cover.
25km for the Russian domestic version and 14.5km for the export product.

"The guaranteed range of the Product 305E is up to 14,500 meters, the missile is capable of speeds up to 230 m/s. The ammunition is equipped with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 25 kg and an optical thermal imaging homing head. The missile weighs 105 kg."
https://tass.com/defense/1328741
The official release from TASS.
No talk of 100km...
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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/22/2021 10:14:07 PM   
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A nice one for: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3436106&mpage=235

Idea?

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/23/2021 7:44:13 PM   
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https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4378732.html

Based on these displays only four Idz-305 / LMUR could be carried by a KA-52M.

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/20218231133-yfSan.html

And an interview which explains the potential range differences often quoted, appears to be the difference between a direct fire lock on before launch at 14.5km LOBL and a NLOS lock on after launch LOAL or a target identified by means other than the launch platform.
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https://maps.southfront.org/russia-unveils-new-non-line-of-sight-precision-guided-missile-tested-in-syria-photos/

The Product 305 / 305E LMUR Missile from blurred out reports in 2019 and apparently tested in Syria breaks cover.
25km for the Russian domestic version and 14.5km for the export product.

"The guaranteed range of the Product 305E is up to 14,500 meters, the missile is capable of speeds up to 230 m/s. The ammunition is equipped with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighing 25 kg and an optical thermal imaging homing head. The missile weighs 105 kg."
https://tass.com/defense/1328741
The official release from TASS.
No talk of 100km...
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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/26/2021 8:31:23 PM   
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From @USArmyDoctrine twitter:
"ATP 7-100.3, CHINESE TACTICS, serves as a foundation for understanding how Chinese ground forces think and act in tactical operations. Addresses Chinese military doctrine, task org, capabilities, and limitations. "

https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN33195-ATP_7-100.3-000-WEB-1.pdf

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/29/2021 10:04:10 PM   
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US Air Force's 556th Test and Evaluation Squadron successfully used the MQ-9, equipped with the AIM-9X Block 2, to engage a Cruise Missile surrogate (BQM-167) in 2020. (Camera USAF).
https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1431764308753530882




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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 8/31/2021 5:08:42 PM   
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So the Pentagon is considering the development of an 'American Sea Monster'

https://wonderfulengineering.com/the-pentagon-may-be-planning-to-build-a-soviet-inspired-flying-sea-monster-here-is-what-this-means/

Not so sure...

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/5/2021 2:39:48 PM   
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The Space Vehicles directorate of AFRL, located at nearby Kirtland AFB, is announcing they will be breaking ground on a new Wargaming and Advanced Research Simulation Laboratory. It should be interesting to follow.

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/6/2021 5:30:20 AM   
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Said this before and might as well say this again.

We are frakked six ways to Sunday in a potential fight with the Chinese military. And forget about using nukes. We might as well repeat Kabul all over the Pacific and go full isolationist.

https://eurasiantimes.com/chinas-carrier-killer-missiles-j-20-jets-gives-beijing-a-decisive-edge-over-the-us-in-indo-pacific-us-experts/

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/8/2021 4:21:09 PM   
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Since August, the new generation MAMBA surface-to-air defense system has been deployed at the Proposed Air Base (BAP) in the Levant. This is a first for this weapon system usually used in metropolitan France, as part of the protection of air bases and also during special air security devices (DPSA).

Objective of this deployment in the Levant: consolidate the partnership with Jordan, deploy the system in the Middle East under realistic operational conditions and finally, train with the partner air forces, during joint anti-defense exercises. -air of a right-of-way.

The device comprises five modules: the Defense Management Center in the 3rd Dimension (CMD3D), fire control composed of an Engagement Module (ME), a Radar and IFF Module [1] (MRI), a Power Generation Module (MGE), and a Land Launch Module (MLT). Characterized by its high mobility, this weapon system is equipped with a firepower allowing it to engage up to ten targets simultaneously within a radius of 60 kilometers.
https://www.defense.gouv.fr/operations/monde/grand-levant/chammal/breves/chammal-premier-deploiement-du-systeme-de-defense-sol-air-mamba-au-levant






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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/10/2021 7:08:56 AM   
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https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2021/08/iranian-mohajer-6-drones-spotted-in.html
Interesting from the perspective of significant armed UAV proliferation and just an interesting source for the less common platforms.
Plus the usual external actors getting involved in the Tigray conflict.
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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/10/2021 8:24:44 AM   
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For the 1st time, Russia will air drop a full BMD-4M battalion from the VDV’s 137th Airborne Regiment with >30 BMD-4M and 300 paratroopers from 15 Il-76 aircraft at the Zhitovo LZ. They are being loaded at the Dyagilevo airfield.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12383183@egNews
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CToW-lNF4Cp/?utm_medium=copy_link
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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/15/2021 11:18:33 PM   
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Time to update the RAN database!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/australia-nuclear-submarine-partnership-us-uk/100465814

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/16/2021 7:35:02 PM   
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Said this before and might as well say this again.

We are frakked six ways to Sunday in a potential fight with the Chinese military. And forget about using nukes. We might as well repeat Kabul all over the Pacific and go full isolationist.

https://eurasiantimes.com/chinas-carrier-killer-missiles-j-20-jets-gives-beijing-a-decisive-edge-over-the-us-in-indo-pacific-us-experts/


Just out of curiosity - are you American? It seems like I've read numerous posts from you all along the same lines about how powerful China's military is and how frightened America should be.

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/16/2021 9:32:44 PM   
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https://www.iiss.org/blogs/military-balance/2021/09/armiya-2021-russias-guided-weapons-sector
Good resume of tactical missiles from Army 21 Moscow.

More on LMUR, Klevok, Hermes, Kh-50 (a name so good they used it twice), and the Kh-MD mini ASuW missile, (probably more sensible for arming the KA-52K than the Kh-35) .

Also shows a photo of the Mi-28NM with the LMUR twin pylon which appears to leave it with one inner pylon on port and starboard free for either an S-8 80mm rocket UB-20 pod or IGLA/Verba quad pack. Useful loadouts.

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/17/2021 7:42:03 AM   
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Interesting story about the shadow tanker war between Israel and Iran, with a interactive map:


https://www.osinteditor.com/general/tanker-war-2/





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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/17/2021 8:10:07 AM   
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Time to update the RAN database!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/australia-nuclear-submarine-partnership-us-uk/100465814


The concern with these bigger nuke boats is that they may not be as good as the old diesels for the majority of area above Australia with the sea channels and islands (thinking of the area between Singapore down to Indonesia).

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/17/2021 8:41:55 AM   
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Time to update the RAN database!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/australia-nuclear-submarine-partnership-us-uk/100465814


The concern with these bigger nuke boats is that they may not be as good as the old diesels for the majority of area above Australia with the sea channels and islands (thinking of the area between Singapore down to Indonesia).

This was always one of the reasons I never seriously entertained the idea of us getting SSNs any time soon. Then again a Blk V Virginia with all that VLS capacity probably wouldn't have to get into those shallow waters to hold shipping across a large chunk of that region at risk. It'll be a whole different ballgame for the RAN that's for sure.

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/17/2021 9:49:54 AM   
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Time to update the RAN database!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/australia-nuclear-submarine-partnership-us-uk/100465814


The concern with these bigger nuke boats is that they may not be as good as the old diesels for the majority of area above Australia with the sea channels and islands (thinking of the area between Singapore down to Indonesia).

This was always one of the reasons I never seriously entertained the idea of us getting SSNs any time soon. Then again a Blk V Virginia with all that VLS capacity probably wouldn't have to get into those shallow waters to hold shipping across a large chunk of that region at risk. It'll be a whole different ballgame for the RAN that's for sure.


Even if longer range weapons were available, it's still very useful to be able to enter shallow waters with a very quiet boat which is how these submarines might be used for the majority of their lifespan.

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/17/2021 10:11:02 AM   
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Time to update the RAN database!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/australia-nuclear-submarine-partnership-us-uk/100465814


The concern with these bigger nuke boats is that they may not be as good as the old diesels for the majority of area above Australia with the sea channels and islands (thinking of the area between Singapore down to Indonesia).

This was always one of the reasons I never seriously entertained the idea of us getting SSNs any time soon. Then again a Blk V Virginia with all that VLS capacity probably wouldn't have to get into those shallow waters to hold shipping across a large chunk of that region at risk. It'll be a whole different ballgame for the RAN that's for sure.


Even if longer range weapons were available, it's still very useful to be able to enter shallow waters with a very quiet boat which is how these submarines might be used for the majority of their lifespan.

Of course, and a 4000t SSN would probably be ideal for that reason, but alas HMAS Suffren seems to be off the table. We'll just have to wait 18 months to see if it's to be a big Astute, a bigger Virginia or something else entirely.

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/25/2021 11:07:57 PM   
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42511/chinas-j-16d-electronic-attack-jet-seen-sporting-jamming-pods-for-the-first-time

Lots of nice photos of the Sino-Growler's new electronic attack pods.

Quite a few of them are previously unseen and definitely not the KG-800 that have been spotted onboard the JH-7A (and modelled in the database)

Some of the pods clearly show larger air-intakes than the previous variants, indicating that they require some major power.

https://twitter.com/RupprechtDeino/status/1441373731327197184


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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/26/2021 4:59:08 AM   
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Said this before and might as well say this again.

We are frakked six ways to Sunday in a potential fight with the Chinese military. And forget about using nukes. We might as well repeat Kabul all over the Pacific and go full isolationist.

https://eurasiantimes.com/chinas-carrier-killer-missiles-j-20-jets-gives-beijing-a-decisive-edge-over-the-us-in-indo-pacific-us-experts/


Just out of curiosity - are you American? It seems like I've read numerous posts from you all along the same lines about how powerful China's military is and how frightened America should be.


Yes I am. Chalk it up to being a cynic and a pessimist and seeing how badly the US has performed in the key wars of Vietnam and now the War on terrorism...and if you think I am a pessimist, remember the wargames the US military ran over a period of nearly ten years...they all say the same thing, the US in the Pacific is screwed. We got ourselves dragged into another Vietnam like scenario and allowed China to catch up and counter most of our most powerful strategic assets. The only thing that might work is the submarine force.

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/26/2021 11:45:59 AM   
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Because we have a sort of free press in the west, we see a lot of the disfunction in both arms procurement and defence policy. China's is just as bad if not worse. For all the PRs and weird news articles that are really just obfuscated PRs, China has just as many, if not more, issues. They still have a very weak turbine engine capability. They have been trying to develop a normal life engine that doesn't require a rebuild every couple of flights. Its why they spend a lot of money on Russian engines and maintenance processes.

I lived and worked in China building and running a JV tooling plant. There is a sophisticated veneer around a very poor core of strategic capabilities. Could they hurt us and our allies in an all out war? You bet. But it would be unsustainable and do more damage to China than anyone else, even if they made geographic progress. China's economy is still not ready to stand on its own. And neither is its defence industry. Its military is still very dependent on foreign technology and development. I have to chuckle every time I see a picture declaring proof that X capability is available based on a "leaked" picture. Nothing "leaks" out of the Chinese defense industry without a purpose.

I'm not saying China isn't a military threat if they chose that direction, but please don't take every press release or fawning story in the Chinese-friendly press or leaked picture as the truth. Be fair and use the same skepticism you have when you look at the US/UK defence news with Chinese defense industry. If you have ever worked inside or with a Chinese company, you'll know what I mean. Just mention "Five-year plan" to any engineer or manager in a Chinese or JV company and you'll see the same eye roll as an American engineer or manager when you mention strategic vision.

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RE: Re: Naval and Defence News - 9/26/2021 3:22:03 PM   
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Because we have a sort of free press in the west, we see a lot of the disfunction in both arms procurement and defence policy. China's is just as bad if not worse. For all the PRs and weird news articles that are really just obfuscated PRs, China has just as many, if not more, issues. They still have a very weak turbine engine capability. They have been trying to develop a normal life engine that doesn't require a rebuild every couple of flights. Its why they spend a lot of money on Russian engines and maintenance processes.

I lived and worked in China building and running a JV tooling plant. There is a sophisticated veneer around a very poor core of strategic capabilities. Could they hurt us and our allies in an all out war? You bet. But it would be unsustainable and do more damage to China than anyone else, even if they made geographic progress. China's economy is still not ready to stand on its own. And neither is its defence industry. Its military is still very dependent on foreign technology and development. I have to chuckle every time I see a picture declaring proof that X capability is available based on a "leaked" picture. Nothing "leaks" out of the Chinese defense industry without a purpose.

I'm not saying China isn't a military threat if they chose that direction, but please don't take every press release or fawning story in the Chinese-friendly press or leaked picture as the truth. Be fair and use the same skepticism you have when you look at the US/UK defence news with Chinese defense industry. If you have ever worked inside or with a Chinese company, you'll know what I mean. Just mention "Five-year plan" to any engineer or manager in a Chinese or JV company and you'll see the same eye roll as an American engineer or manager when you mention strategic vision.


Best assessment I've read.

Totally agree.



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