IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
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IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Hi all,
Perhaps some/many of us failed to note that there exists _HUGE_ undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
"Nikademus" and "michaelm" tested and discovered the following:
The dead zone lies between (not surprisingly) 6K and 9K feet.
Guns with max of 26K feet have a min of 7K.
Guns with max of 28K feet have a min of 7K.
Guns with max of 30K feet have a min of 8K.
Guns with max of 34K feet have a min of 9K.
This was countered with great mod by "Nikademus" (along with tons of other fixes) but all player who play "vanilla" (i.e. original) WitP have to deal with this!
In this thread I will post what guns and what units are affected by this for both sides.
Leo "Apollo11"
Perhaps some/many of us failed to note that there exists _HUGE_ undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
"Nikademus" and "michaelm" tested and discovered the following:
The dead zone lies between (not surprisingly) 6K and 9K feet.
Guns with max of 26K feet have a min of 7K.
Guns with max of 28K feet have a min of 7K.
Guns with max of 30K feet have a min of 8K.
Guns with max of 34K feet have a min of 9K.
This was countered with great mod by "Nikademus" (along with tons of other fixes) but all player who play "vanilla" (i.e. original) WitP have to deal with this!
In this thread I will post what guns and what units are affected by this for both sides.
Leo "Apollo11"
Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!
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RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Hi all,
Dual Purpose (DP) Guns
Anti Aircraft (AA) Guns
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Dual Purpose (DP) Guns
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46 4.5in/45 QF Mk I Gun 41000
47 5.25in/50 QF Gun 46500
48 5in/40 Type 89 Gun 31000
49 4.7in/45 10YT Gun 32800
50 3.9in/65 Type 98 Gun 42650
51 3.9in/50 Type 88 Gun 36750
52 3in/60 Type 98 Gun 29850
53 3in/40 Type 88 Gun 23600
54 5in/25 Mk 10 Gun 27400
55 5in/38 Mk 12 Gun 37200
56 3in/50 Mk 10 Gun 29800
57 4.7in/40 QF Gun 32000
58 4.5in/45 QF Gun 41000
59 4in/45 QF Mk V Gun 31000
60 4in/45 QF Mk XVI Gun 39000
61 4in/45 QF Mk XIX Gun 31000
62 3.9in/45 M1931 Gun 39000
63 3.5in/50 M1926 Gun 34800
64 3in/50 M1922 Gun 32800
276 105mm AA Gun 36000
292 3in DP Gun 23600
294 4.7in DP Gun 32000
410 3in AA Gun 29800
452 75mm CD Gun 29850
453 120mm CD Gun 32000
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66 3in/20cwt AA Gun 25500
67 88mm AA Gun 31000
68 75mm AA Gun 25000
69 25mm Type 96 AA Gun 18040
70 13.2mm Type 93 AAMG 14800
71 40mm 2pdr AA Gun 9900
72 40mm Bofors AA Gun 22800
73 20mm Oerlikon AA Gun 10000
74 1.1in Mk 1 AA Gun 19000
75 0.5in Browning M2 MG 14500
76 2 pdr Mk VIII AA Gun 13000
77 .303 Vickers MG 6200
78 37mm M1933 AA Gun 13000
79 13.2mm AAMG 14800
80 12.7mm AAMG 10300
81 7.7mm Lewis MG 6200
272 13mm AAMG (2) 13000
273 25mm AA Gun (3) 14000
274 40mm AA Gun (2) 14000
275 75mm AA Gun 30000
278 20mm AA/AT Gun 12000
398 .303 Bren AAMG 6200
399 .303 Lewis AAMG 6200
400 Maxim AAMG (4) 6200
401 12.7mm AAMG 12400
402 Vickers AAMG (2) 8300
403 0.5in Browning AAMG 14500
404 20mm Oerlikon AA Gun 10000
405 37mm 61-K AA Gun 20000
406 37mm AA Gun 10500
407 2pdr AA Gun (2) 9900
408 40mm Bofors AA Gun 22800
409 75mm AA Gun 28000
411 3in/20cwt AA Gun 25500
412 76mm AA Gun 29000
413 80mm AA Gun 28000
414 85mm KS-12 AA Gun 33000
415 90mm AA Gun 33800
416 3.7in AA Gun 32000
Leo "Apollo11"
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P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Understand tho, that you do still take damage from the lighter guns tho, like 20mm and 40mm (which can be quite painful).
I most frequently fly my bombers at 6000', simply because it's useful vs. ships and AFs (no morale loss). And I -do- take flak damage (I guess from the lighter stuff).
-F-
I most frequently fly my bombers at 6000', simply because it's useful vs. ships and AFs (no morale loss). And I -do- take flak damage (I guess from the lighter stuff).
-F-
"It is obvious that you have greatly over-estimated my regard for your opinion." - Me
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
ORIGINAL: Feinder
Understand tho, that you do still take damage from the lighter guns tho, like 20mm and 40mm (which can be quite painful).
I most frequently fly my bombers at 6000', simply because it's useful vs. ships and AFs (no morale loss). And I -do- take flak damage (I guess from the lighter stuff).
-F-
Same for me
Nec recisa recedit
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
removal of the minimum altitude feature would, in all honesty, not make much, if any appreciable difference in the flak resolutions.
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Isn't working as designed? I've read that the big guns couldn't in many cases hit targets flying close to the ground.
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I feal so dirty when I sink convoys with 4E bombers, makes porn feal wholsome. - Brady, Founding Member of the Japanese Fanboy Club
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Yes. Its not a bug. its a feature Gary built into the code. Personally I think its too high. BTR has one too but its around 2000-2500 feet. However AA in BTR as a whole behaves quite differently from WitP. I removed the min alt feature in my mod, but I had too in order for the changes i made to work and produce the desired effect. In the stock scenario, it wont greatly impact things by itself.
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Hi all,
IJA AA Units
IJN AA Units
IJA AA Regiment
IJA AA Battalion
IJN AA Battalion
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IJA AA Units
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974 31st AA Regiment
975 31st Heavy AA Battalion
976 32nd Heavy AA Battalion
985 11th AA Regiment
986 13th AA Regiment
987 15th AA Regiment
988 1st Reserve AA Regiment
989 3rd Reserve AA Regiment
990 11th Heavy AA Battalion
991 12th Heavy AA Battalion
1006 24th AA Regiment
1007 22nd AA Regiment
1008 25th AA Regiment
1009 4th Reserve AA Regiment
1020 1st AA Regiment
1021 2nd AA Regiment
1022 3rd AA Regiment
1023 4th AA Regiment
1024 5th AA Regiment
1025 7th AA Regiment
1026 2nd Reserve AA Regiment
1027 1st Heavy AA Battalion
1064 41st AA Regiment
1065 42nd AA Regiment
1066 5th Reserve AA Regiment
1067 6th Reserve AA Regiment
1068 41st Heavy AA Battalion
1080 51st AA Regiment
1081 8th Reserve AA Regiment
1082 50th Heavy AA Battalion
1158 22nd Heavy AA Battalion
1244 12th AA Regiment
1281 21st AA Regiment
1302 49th Heavy AA Battalion
1303 56th Heavy AA Battalion
1324 55th Heavy AA Battalion
1325 57th Heavy AA Battalion
1334 52nd Heavy AA Battalion
1346 53rd Heavy AA Battalion
1347 54th Heavy AA Battalion
1359 3rd Heavy AA Battalion
1360 7th Heavy AA Battalion
1366 6th Heavy AA Battalion
1381 23rd AA Regiment
1398 45th Heavy AA Battalion
1399 47th Heavy AA Battalion
1400 48th Heavy AA Battalion
1437 16th AA Regiment
1438 44th Heavy AA Battalion
1455 34th Heavy AA Battalion
1456 35th Heavy AA Battalion
1457 51st Heavy AA Battalion
IJN AA Units
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1105 Truk AA Battalion
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12x 276 105mm AA Gun 36000
12x 275 75mm AA Gun 30000
8x 272 13mm AAMG (2) 13000
IJA AA Battalion
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18x 276 105mm AA Gun 36000
6x 272 13mm AAMG (2) 13000
IJN AA Battalion
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## Device Name Ceiling
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8x 276 105mm AA Gun 36000
8x 275 75mm AA Gun 30000
8x 273 25mm AA Gun (3) 14000
24x 272 13mm AAMG (2) 13000
Leo "Apollo11"
Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!
A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Hi all,
True... it is not a bug... but unfortunately it is very bad decision... [:(]
Please look above at what, for example, IJN and IJA AA units constis of!!!
Therefore it appears that up until 9000-10000 ft (i.e. when you remove the bigger AA guns due to limit you discovered) the _ONLY_ AA weapon is "13mm AAMG"... [X(][&:][:(]
Leo "Apollo11"
P.S. [Edit]
I will post other units in this thread as well!
ORIGINAL: Nikademus
Yes. Its not a bug. its a feature Gary built into the code. Personally I think its too high. BTR has one too but its around 2000-2500 feet. However AA in BTR as a whole behaves quite differently from WitP. I removed the min alt feature in my mod, but I had too in order for the changes i made to work and produce the desired effect. In the stock scenario, it wont greatly impact things by itself.
True... it is not a bug... but unfortunately it is very bad decision... [:(]
Please look above at what, for example, IJN and IJA AA units constis of!!!
Therefore it appears that up until 9000-10000 ft (i.e. when you remove the bigger AA guns due to limit you discovered) the _ONLY_ AA weapon is "13mm AAMG"... [X(][&:][:(]
Leo "Apollo11"
P.S. [Edit]
I will post other units in this thread as well!
Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!
A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Most of the AA guns are under 26k, only 5 or 6 are over it. The DP guns though are all ( but 2) over the magic number. Sounds like unless your AA all upgrade to the feww type with a minimum level your covered.
Favoritism is alive and well here.
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Hi all,
IJA Base Force Units
IJN Base Force Units
IJA Base Force
IJN Base Force
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1871 101st IJA Base Force
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1873 103rd IJA Base Force
1874 104th IJA Base Force
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1876 106th IJA Base Force
1877 107th IJA Base Force
1878 108th IJA Base Force
1879 109th IJA Base Force
1880 110th IJA Base Force
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1884 114th IJA Base Force
1885 115th IJA Base Force
1886 116th IJA Base Force
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1888 118th IJA Base Force
1889 119th IJA Base Force
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1893 123rd IJA Base Force
1894 124th IJA Base Force
1895 125th IJA Base Force
1896 126th IJA Base Force
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1908 138th IJA Base Force
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1911 141st IJA Base Force
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1914 144th IJA Base Force
1915 145th IJA Base Force
1916 146th IJA Base Force
1917 147th IJA Base Force
1918 148th IJA Base Force
1919 149th IJA Base Force
1920 150th IJA Base Force
1921 151st IJA Base Force
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1033 Yokosuka Base Force
1038 Osaka Base Force
1041 Ominato Base Force
1044 Hiroshima Base Force
1045 Kure Base Force
1048 Maizuru Base Force
1051 Sasebo Base Force
1055 Oshima Base Force
1070 Chinkai Base Force
1071 Rashin Base Force
1074 Ryojun Base Force
1089 Takao Base Force
1101 Truk Base Force
1108 Palau Base Force
1112 Ponope Base Force
1116 Saipan Base Force
1120 Kwajalein Base Force
1126 Maloelop Base Force
1129 Camranh Bay Base Force
1204 Canton Base Force
1210 Shanghai Base Force
1220 Amoy Base Force
1223 Sanya Base Force
1233 Ching Tao Base Force
1236 Hainan Base Force
1406 Bako Base Force
1482 1st Base Force
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1491 11th Special Base Force
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1494 21st Special Base Force
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1500 32nd Special Base Force
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1540 26th Special Base Force
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1583 10th Special Base Force
1584 25th Special Base Force
1585 27th Special Base Force
1597 15th Base Force
1751 101st IJN Base Force
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1763 113th IJN Base Force
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1810 160th IJN Base Force
1811 101st IJNAF Base Force
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1813 103rd IJNAF Base Force
1814 104th IJNAF Base Force
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1867 157th IJNAF Base Force
1868 158th IJNAF Base Force
1869 159th IJNAF Base Force
1870 160th IJNAF Base Force
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4x 275 75mm AA Gun 30000
4x 274 40mm AA Gun (2) 14000
4x 272 13mm AAMG (2) 13000
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4x 275 75mm AA Gun 30000
4x 273 25mm AA Gun (3) 14000
4x 272 13mm AAMG (2) 13000
Leo "Apollo11"
Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!
A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Do the IJA 13mm AAMGs ever upgrade?
Fear the kitten!
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Hi all,
Those limits are what "Nikademus" and "michaelm" think - they are not established facts yet (until confirmed by Mike Wood).
BTW, if you recall I did some comprehensive bombing tests where:
98x B-29
or
98x B-17
or
98x B-25
attacked port with japanese ships.
Even if I put 5 regiments off AA to defend it (i.e. more than 100 big guns of 75mm and 105mm and that's a _LOT_) they caused little damage to attacker coming at 10000 ft (and above)...
Leo "Apollo11"
ORIGINAL: Twotribes
Most of the AA guns are under 26k, only 5 or 6 are over it. The DP guns though are all ( but 2) over the magic number. Sounds like unless your AA all upgrade to the feww type with a minimum level your covered.
Those limits are what "Nikademus" and "michaelm" think - they are not established facts yet (until confirmed by Mike Wood).
BTW, if you recall I did some comprehensive bombing tests where:
98x B-29
or
98x B-17
or
98x B-25
attacked port with japanese ships.
Even if I put 5 regiments off AA to defend it (i.e. more than 100 big guns of 75mm and 105mm and that's a _LOT_) they caused little damage to attacker coming at 10000 ft (and above)...
Leo "Apollo11"
Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!
A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Hi all,
No (according to database).
Leo "Apollo11"
ORIGINAL: irrelevant
Do the IJA 13mm AAMGs ever upgrade?
No (according to database).
Leo "Apollo11"
Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!
A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Mike did confirm the rule's existance Leo and it starts, by formula for guns with a ceiling greater than 25,000 feet.
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Hi all,
Also check the following - the two Japanese AA gunns are:
And now which side in WitP gets "shafted" here?
Leo "Apollo11"
ORIGINAL: Twotribes
Most of the AA guns are under 26k, only 5 or 6 are over it. The DP guns though are all ( but 2) over the magic number. Sounds like unless your AA all upgrade to the feww type with a minimum level your covered.
Also check the following - the two Japanese AA gunns are:
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276 105mm AA Gun 36000
275 75mm AA Gun 30000
And now which side in WitP gets "shafted" here?
Leo "Apollo11"
Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!
A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Hi all,
OK - confirmed then!
Now since we esablished without any trace of doubt that Japanese are _HEAVILY_ "shafted" here - lets change this broken rule!!!
Leo "Apollo11"
ORIGINAL: Nikademus
Mike did confirm the rule's existance Leo and it starts, by formula for guns with a ceiling greater than 25,000 feet.
OK - confirmed then!
Now since we esablished without any trace of doubt that Japanese are _HEAVILY_ "shafted" here - lets change this broken rule!!!
Leo "Apollo11"
Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!
A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Hi all,
US Army AA Units
US Marines AA Units
US Army Coast AA Regiment
US Marines AA Battalion
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AA upgrades are as follow...
Leo "Apollo11"
P.S. [Edit]
Forgot to add US Marines and AA upgrades - fixed now.
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2650 200th USA Coast AA Regiment
2676 251st USA Coast AA Regiment
2683 64th USA Coast AA Regiment
2684 97th USA Coast AA Regiment
2685 98th USA Coast AA Regiment
2716 65th USA Coast AA Regiment
2717 78th USA Coast AA Regiment
2718 205th USA Coast AA Regiment
2719 206th USA Coast AA Regiment
2720 216th USA Coast AA Regiment
2721 217th USA Coast AA Regiment
2747 75th USA Coast AA Regiment
2748 215th USA Coast AA Regiment
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2652 1st USMC AA Battalion
US Army Coast AA Regiment
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12x 409 75mm AA Gun 28000
8x 406 37mm AA Gun 10500
8x 404 20mm Oerlikon AA Gun 10000
US Marines AA Battalion
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12x 409 75mm AA Gun 28000
NOTES:
AA upgrades are as follow...
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409 75mm AA Gun 28000
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415 90mm AA Gun 33800
406 37mm AA Gun 10500
->
408 40mm Bofors AA Gun 22800
Leo "Apollo11"
P.S. [Edit]
Forgot to add US Marines and AA upgrades - fixed now.
Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!
A & B: WitW, WitE, WbtS, GGWaW, GGWaW2-AWD, HttR, CotA, BftB, CF
P: UV, WitP, WitP-AE
RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
Hi all,
US Army Base Force Units
US Navy Base Force Units
US Marines Base Defense Units
US Army Base Force
US Navy Base Force
US Marines Defense Bn (on average - they differ a lot from one to another)
NOTES:
AA upgrades are as follow...
Leo "Apollo11"
P.S. [Edit]
I made typo - 409 device "75mm AA Gun" is only for Allies and does not appear in Japanese OOB - sorry!
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2141 101st USAAF Base Force
2142 102nd USAAF Base Force
2143 103rd USAAF Base Force
2144 104th USAAF Base Force
2145 105th USAAF Base Force
2146 106th USAAF Base Force
2147 107th USAAF Base Force
2148 108th USAAF Base Force
2149 109th USAAF Base Force
2150 110th USAAF Base Force
2151 111th USAAF Base Force
2152 112th USAAF Base Force
2153 113th USAAF Base Force
2154 114th USAAF Base Force
2155 115th USAAF Base Force
2156 116th USAAF Base Force
2157 117th USAAF Base Force
2158 118th USAAF Base Force
2159 119th USAAF Base Force
2160 120th USAAF Base Force
2646 14th PS Base Force
2649 803rd Base Force
2681 34th USA Base Force
2688 804th Base Force
2699 808th Base Force
2706 19th USA Base Force
2707 47th USA Base Force
2737 18th USA Base Force
2749 802nd Base Force
2775 51st Aviation Rgt Base Force
2776 52nd Aviation Rgt Base Force
2777 53rd Aviation Rgt Base Force
2778 54th Aviation Rgt Base Force
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4x 409 75mm AA Gun 28000
4x 406 37mm AA Gun 10500
4x 399 .303 Lewis AAMG 6200
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8x 410 3in AA Gun 29800
8x 408 40mm Bofors AA Gun 22800
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12x 410 3in AA Gun 29800
30x 403 0.5in Browning AAMG 14500
30x 399 .303 Lewis AAMG 6200
NOTES:
AA upgrades are as follow...
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410 3in AA Gun 29800
->
415 90mm AA Gun 33800
403 0.5in Browning AAMG 14500
->
408 40mm Bofors AA Gun 22800
399 .303 Lewis AAMG 6200
->
404 20mm Oerlikon AA Gun 10000
Leo "Apollo11"
P.S. [Edit]
I made typo - 409 device "75mm AA Gun" is only for Allies and does not appear in Japanese OOB - sorry!
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RE: IMPORTANT: Huge undefended "empty" zone in AA coverage!
ORIGINAL: Apollo11
Hi all,
ORIGINAL: Nikademus
Mike did confirm the rule's existance Leo and it starts, by formula for guns with a ceiling greater than 25,000 feet.
OK - confirmed then!
Now since we esablished without any trace of doubt that Japanese are _HEAVILY_ "shafted" here - lets change this broken rule!!!
Leo "Apollo11"
Before we get too bent out of shape here we might consider that there is historical justification for this AA gap ... to wit the B29 strikes where reconfigured to go in at low altitudes in part to exploit this suspected gap ( and to avoid effects of winds and other reasons ) .. here is a first tid bit on this .. more from the "effects" side saying the gap existed ... specifically page 616 "auto-weapons fire was generally too low and heavy AA fire too high ... "
https://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/Publications/fulltext/aaf_wwii-v5.pdf
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