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Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 7:31:48 PM   
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This thread is for "bragging" about your blunders, and what you learned. I'll start:

Do not send your Jap BB's to play tag with the coastal gun forts in Manila Harbor. I did, and the Ise is limping home in a shambles while the Hyuga picks up the survivors from 2 sunk DD's. Ugh.
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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 7:37:41 PM   
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Dont pursuit the Japanesse TFs that attack PH on 12/7/41 with your carrier fleets. I tryed luck and had bad luck. They engage two days after and my CVs....well, I started another campaing.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 7:42:43 PM   
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I think i'm going to have alot to add to this thread...as soon as my CD arrives

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 7:51:40 PM   
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Do NOT send out ASW Hunter-killer groups from Pearl until the IJN strike force is out of range. It's sad to see some good DD's go to the bottom after a 100plane airstrike.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 7:55:19 PM   
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I too now know better than to send in bombardment TF's without air cover. The best, fastest surface TF can be chewed up in a heartbeat. And don't let your Air TF's get caught by surface TF's! (remember Samar?). Finally, YOU CAN NEVER BRING ENOUGH SUPPLIES AND TROOPS TO A CONTESTED LANDING. If you don't continuously dominate the air over your troops in a landing, they are lucky just to hold their own.

This game really does a good job of simulating the essentials.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 8:23:31 PM   
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Don't leave your US carriers haging out near Wake in Dec of 41, with their DD's running low on fuel, waiting for a replenishment task force from Pearl Harbor to arrive which takes forever to get there, only to find you forgot to load fuel on to the tankers.
Tony

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 8:25:27 PM   
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Dont trust the AI to pick good routes.
I ordered the Base unit at Victoria point to retreat to Rangoon. Assuming it would take the britich owned coastal trail. But the AI thinks the Jap owned rail line next to Bangkok looked better. So as the Base unit rides the single rail near Bangkok, the Imperial Guard Div (23,000 men) is trying to use the same rail going the other way. There is some argument over who has right of way, and the Base unit retreats.

Bladess

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 8:48:15 PM   
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In the Marianas, don't get cocky and neglect to have a Surface Task group protecting the beachhead (instead having all Bombardment groups) in case a couple of IJN BBs sneak in at night and litter the waters with gyrenes.

Oops, I remember I DID have a SA group, they just MISSED every IJN ship!

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 9:37:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bladess

Dont trust the AI to pick good routes.
I ordered the Base unit at Victoria point to retreat to Rangoon. Assuming it would take the britich owned coastal trail. But the AI thinks the Jap owned rail line next to Bangkok looked better. So as the Base unit rides the single rail near Bangkok, the Imperial Guard Div (23,000 men) is trying to use the same rail going the other way. There is some argument over who has right of way, and the Base unit retreats.

Bladess


Yep. After this happend I ended up sending a couple of AK's down to pull them out.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 9:51:46 PM   
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Dont be complacent as the Japs about early Allied airpower around Malaya...just lost a DD to a Vilderbeest torpedo attack.

< Message edited by kev_uk -- 7/8/2004 7:52:28 PM >

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 10:09:49 PM   
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Don't assume that the entire IJN carrier fleet is at Pearl Harbor on December 8. My attempted evacuation of a dozen transports and auxiliaries from the Phillipines ended in a spectacular failure. I'm loving it.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 10:12:08 PM   
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Rangoon
My aircraft were getting hamered, so I send in a section of the AVG/A FG to the rescue, the first air attack after they splashed 12 Ki-27's, 8 Ki-43's and 7 bombers. The next turn the Japanese move in and take over the Rangoon. The aircraft replacement report now shows the AVG/A returning in 389 days!!!

Borneo
The Japanese twice tried to invade Kuching and failed, I had a surface TF of 2 CL's and 4 DD's on station at Potianak that could rush into to attack the transports and bombard any landed troops. I'm thinking this is just too easy i've sunk 4 transports 3 PC/PG's and destroyed 2 LCU's. The next time I get a sighting report of a TF of ship 8 ships heading into Kuching so I send in the Dutch Suface TF waiting on station, only this time the TF turns out to be 2 BB's 2 CA's and 6 DD's, bye-bye Dutch TF.

The lesson is if you get away with something once or twice, watch out for the third time, sooner or later the AI will react.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 10:15:10 PM   
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The AI needs to understand things a bit better. Just wondering if it will be improved upon in a patch.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 10:16:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaplain

This thread is for "bragging" about your blunders, and what you learned. I'll start:

Do not send your Jap BB's to play tag with the coastal gun forts in Manila Harbor. I did, and the Ise is limping home in a shambles while the Hyuga picks up the survivors from 2 sunk DD's. Ugh.


If you send them to Manila I think they get pounded by CD's from bataan as well.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 10:18:11 PM   
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Don't rely too much on history. I'm playing as allies v AI in the 42B campaign...Guadalcanal. Not wanting a repeat of Savo Island, I unified the CA/CL/DD task groups. As a result, the US marines attacking Tulagi did so without the support of San Juan and 2 DDs. Result: serious damage to APs, heavy casualties to landing troops, and three weeks later there are still bad guys on the island, although I have control of the base.
Then again, I didn't lose half the cruisers in the TF.

In future, any landing will have all the support I can give it. Incidentally, I'm interpreting this series of events as an indication that amphibious ops are going to be more realistic, more challenging and more interesting than in UV - and I'm very pleased about that.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 10:21:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tanaka
If you send them to Manila I think they get pounded by CD's from bataan as well.


Confirmed. CD guns will fire at anything that moves through their hex. Manila is closed to the IJN until Bataan falls.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/8/2004 11:52:29 PM   
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I also sent an unescorted task force to invade Johnston Island. How dumb can you get?

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 4:38:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: The Gnome

Do NOT send out ASW Hunter-killer groups from Pearl until the IJN strike force is out of range. It's sad to see some good DD's go to the bottom after a 100plane airstrike.


In fact, don't send anything out of Pearl. Just give everyone a day or two off to play golf. My cost: 3 CLs and 3DDs.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 4:50:01 AM   
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I sent a surface combat task force in to singapore in order to kill some transports. The result was 4 destroyers vaporized by mines. Oh the humanity.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 5:01:42 AM   
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Don't let your CVs get anywhere near Truk early in the game. Oh god, the Betties, the Betties...

*shudder*

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 5:05:23 AM   
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Don't send a Bombardment TF to hit Ragoon when there is a Jap Carrier TF in the IO.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 6:53:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: IanLister

and three weeks later there are still bad guys on the island, although I have control of the base.
Then again, I didn't lose half the cruisers in the TF.




Ian,
Not sure if you know this. But this confused me too. Order your forces to deliberate and shock attack until the island in clear.
Just because you control a base hex does not mean the enemy is not in the hex.

I will add two of my own.
If you are going to stand down CV cap to let them rest a few days while your sailing to a destination. DO NOT FORGET to turn the cap back on when nearing your destination. I have forgotten this twice now with predictible results

Secondly, if you are going to march a unit out to clear away the enemy in another base or another hex...make sure you your own base is well defended.
I marched the entire 1st USMC from Lunga to Tassaforga to engage some units that fled when I took Lunga. I had just reached Tassaforga when an enemy TF comes in and lands 2 divisions and an SNLF force...I finished clearing the enemy and then turned around and hauled ass back to Lunga. But I was to late Lost the 1st USMC CD regiment, one USAAF baseforce and two Sea Bee batallions.
Live and learn

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 7:32:08 AM   
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If by day two you haven't taken Wake pull everything out as fast as you can, cuz on day 3 or 4 the US CVs will show and say hi - usually wiping out every ship in the area.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 7:53:49 AM   
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If by day two you haven't taken Wake pull everything out as fast as you can, cuz on day 3 or 4 the US CVs will show and say hi - usually wiping out every ship in the area.
Xargun


Not always true, I sent my Carriers to Wake, they just sat there for three days due to bad weather, so a created a surface TF of 2 CA and 4 DD's, one of my CA's got fired on by one Japanese destroyer and my TF aborted the attack, the next day the Japanese got away!

One thing I like is nothing seems to happen the same way twice!

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 7:58:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pad152

Not always true, I sent my Carriers to Wake, they just sat there for three days due to bad weather, so a created a surface TF of 2 CA and 4 DD's, one of my CA's got fired on by one Japanese destroyer and my TF aborted the attack, the next day the Japanese got away!

One thing I like is nothing seems to happen the same way twice!


True, but barring bad weather the USN CVs will wipe out the IJN TFs attacking Wake.. I lost 2 CLs, 2 DDs, 2 APs and an AK I believe to airstrikes from the CVs.. I also have several AKs limping back home for repairs...

Just something you could avoid - especially since you can save the unit to allow it to be rebuilt over time as well.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 7:59:49 AM   
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I wonder, does the KB have enough fuel to swing by Wake on its way back? Since everyone seems to love to reinforce Wake, it might be good to stop by and say hello to Enterprise, et al.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 8:01:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Alikchi

I wonder, does the KB have enough fuel to swing by Wake on its way back? Since everyone seems to love to reinforce Wake, it might be good to stop by and say hello to Enterprise, et al.


Oh it does.. I swung by and killed some planes and bombed the marines some more, but the USN CVs were long gone before KB could arrive... BTW, I hit Midway on the way out too... why not

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 9:06:34 AM   
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Speaking of horrible mistakes..

quote:


Naval Gun Fire at Saipan (63,64) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

108 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
APD Kane, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
APD Herbert, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-402, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-443, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
LCI LCI-444
LCI LCI-445, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
LSD Oak Hill, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage

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Naval Gun Fire at Saipan (63,64) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

131 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
AP Warhawk, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
AP Winged Arrow, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
AP W.A. Holbrook, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
AP Callaway, Shell hits 2, on fire
AP Bolivar, Shell hits 1, on fire
AP Cavalier, Shell hits 8, on fire
AP Knox, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
DE Kyne, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
DE Hilbert, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
543 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 4

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Coastal Guns at Saipan, 63,64, firing at TF 1009
TF 1009 troops unloading over beach at Saipan, 63,64


1106 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DE Samuel S. Miles, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
AP Winged Arrow, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Hercules, Shell hits 3
DE Lamons, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AP Herald of Morning
AP W.A. Holbrook, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AP Frederick Funston, Shell hits 1
AP Sumter, Shell hits 2
AP James O'Hara, Shell hits 9, on fire
AK General Fleisher, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
AP Harris, Shell hits 3, on fire
AP Callaway, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AP Bolivar, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Leon, Shell hits 21, on fire, heavy damage
AP Cavalier, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
2806 casualties reported
Guns lost 13
Vehicles lost 12


I should have suppressed.

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 9:13:56 AM   
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Coastal Guns at Saipan, 63,64, firing at TF 1009
TF 1009 troops unloading over beach at Saipan, 63,64


1106 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
DE Samuel S. Miles, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
AP Winged Arrow, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Hercules, Shell hits 3
DE Lamons, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AP Herald of Morning
AP W.A. Holbrook, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AP Frederick Funston, Shell hits 1
AP Sumter, Shell hits 2
AP James O'Hara, Shell hits 9, on fire
AK General Fleisher, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
AP Harris, Shell hits 3, on fire
AP Callaway, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AP Bolivar, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Leon, Shell hits 21, on fire, heavy damage
AP Cavalier, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage




Uarg

Not bad!

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RE: Painful Lessons Learned Thread - 7/9/2004 9:16:41 AM   
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1. allied Tankers loading oil at Palembang better make sure there isnt a japanese CA/BB surface fleet any where near as they (9 the tankers) take so long to load the sufrace fleet will catch them
i lost 8 tankers that way last night :-(

2. If you decide to evacuate the philipines just do it straight away, it saves alot of heartache and lost AP's later

3. As you retreat aircraft away from the japanese base caputruing advances, make sure you more them more than 1 or 2 bases away, as the japanese troops wont take long to get to thta base either :-(

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