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Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/6/2019 11:30:49 AM   
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Ok, I am beginning to think that rest/ training has no purpose. At Los Angeles on December eighth I set the 65th Coastal AA to no replacements rest/ training. I left the 78th at combat with replacements and combat. I sandboxed it to the middle of March. Moral and experience both increased at the same rate. Note: Experience will not go up until your " set future objective" is 100.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/6/2019 12:19:54 PM   
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Rest cures Fatigue accumulated via combat. A fatigued unit has reduced AV in further combat. You wont see it in the game, but it can be seen in the Tracker.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/6/2019 12:30:50 PM   
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Ok, I am beginning to think that rest/ training has no purpose. At Los Angeles on December eighth I set the 65th Coastal AA to no replacements rest/ training. I left the 78th at combat with replacements and combat. I sandboxed it to the middle of March. Moral and experience both increased at the same rate. Note: Experience will not go up until your " set future objective" is 100.


You're talking about prep. Not the effects of rest mode in general, right?

Rest mode has use when a unit is disrupted and/or fatigued from battle or bombardment and needs to recover. A unit in rest will also not put its engineers to use building, so therefore does not use as much supply. It will also not shoot back, so uses less supply if attacked by air strikes.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/6/2019 12:34:18 PM   
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It's the "/training" that is the misleading part of the setting title.

Units don't have to be in Rest/Training mode to gain experience by 'training'. They just need to be at 100 planning points and be below the national minimum training level, which is also the maximum level they can train too. Gaining experience above the national minimum standard requires combat participation.

Units also do not NEED to be in Rest/Training mode to get reductions in fatigue and disruption and gains in morale, but it HELPS for units that are heavily fatigued and disrupted. They will regain those stats faster in rest mode, but the presence of supply and support are very big factors.

An isolated unit in a malarial jungle hex with little support or supply will not regain stats much more quickly in rest mode than in combat mode, because the necessary components to support gains in those stats are not present. In this case recovery will be abysmally slow under both settings.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/6/2019 3:43:11 PM   
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Thanks. Now I can quit wasting my time setting units on the west coast to train while waiting to ship them out.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/6/2019 9:13:33 PM   
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Thanks. Now I can quit wasting my time setting units on the west coast to train while waiting to ship them out.

There is one purpose to leaving them in rest mode - if a new TOE becomes available the unit must be in rest mode to adopt it. Your call on whether you want the unit updated to be able to acquire new devices (if they are even available).

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/8/2019 3:01:26 AM   
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I usually put a lot of permanently restricted West Coast units to Rest/Training (except HQ/Eng). My thinking is they don't use as much supply and, besides they're not going anywhere or being upgraded.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/8/2019 7:34:43 AM   
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Does rest/training do anything to reduce the number of disrupted squads and devices?

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/8/2019 7:37:20 AM   
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You don’t need to worry about supply on the west coast.
That place is overflowing with steak and cold beer with ice cream and whiskey for dessert

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/8/2019 8:51:46 AM   
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Does rest/training do anything to reduce the number of disrupted squads and devices?


Yes.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/8/2019 11:39:31 AM   
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You don’t need to worry about supply on the west coast.
That place is overflowing with steak and cold beer with ice cream and whiskey for dessert


Liquor on beer have no fear, beer on liquor get sicker quicker.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/9/2019 4:12:27 AM   
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Does rest/training do anything to reduce the number of disrupted squads and devices?


Yes.

Alfred


Sorry, I meant to say "disabled" squads & devices

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/9/2019 8:49:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SBD

Does rest/training do anything to reduce the number of disrupted squads and devices?


Yes.

Alfred


Sorry, I meant to say "disabled" squads & devices

Alfred's answer still applies. When the unit is stood down there are more people available to fix hardware or get new hardware ready to use. Troops can relax and recover from minor wounds faster too.


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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/10/2019 1:24:04 PM   
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Does Anyone read the Manual anymore?
Does Anyone do a forum search before typing?

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/11/2019 1:46:35 PM   
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Does Anyone read the Manual anymore?
Does Anyone do a forum search before typing?



No of course not.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/11/2019 1:48:54 PM   
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Dear ThreadStarter,

This subject is a little old, so my notes are incomplete. Perhaps you can share your findings and post some of the forum searches you have found, for future readers. The 5 star Matrix people, that helped you out above should be able to fill in with anything you have missed.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 5:06:53 AM   
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Dear Matrix,

Two posts above the threadstarter expresses no interest in reading the players manual.

Should this sort of person be allowed to start a thread? At what point do you look at a thread starter and decide this person is not taking the subject matter seriously?

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 5:44:06 AM   
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Dear Matrix,

Two posts above the threadstarter expresses no interest in reading the players manual.

Should this sort of person be allowed to start a thread? At what point do you look at a thread starter and decide this person is not taking the subject matter seriously?

Sez the guy who asked the forum a bunch of questions in his first AAR.
The manual has lots of info but it is often put in areas that I would never expect to find it and without an index entry for the keyword I would be searching. I.E. the manual writer's way of organizing things is not the way my head works so I find it difficult to use. Similarly, my searches seem to always come up empty.
There is also a lot of knowledge of the game's workings that have only been gained by discussion and input from genuine experts like Alfred. A few players also do controlled tests of situations to get data, although the question of sample size sometimes continues to leave the results in doubt.

So asking the question here seems to be fairly common after an unsuccessful search elsewhere. Matrix has no interest in policing how people get their info, but the moderator will chime in if flame wars start. Keeping communication open and cordial is the main concern.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 9:43:55 AM   
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My point exactly. If a person has enough interest in a subject to start a thread than they should share the results of their findings with the forum.

Interested parties in the forum, who are thoroughly familiar with your statements, would like to start placing all the links in one location.



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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 12:15:44 PM   
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Disco Duck is discourteous to me and you defend this behavior?

Your first sentence shows your intent to create a hostile environment for me.

How Stupid is That?





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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 12:19:35 PM   
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This is a perfect example of the people with the stars showing the signs of "Bullying" someone, in their efforts to assist future readers.

But I am only a newly promoted Matrix Trooper.



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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 2:18:29 PM   
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I see nothing bullying or "hostile environment" creating about what BBfanboy wrote. His words criticizing what you wrote were softer than your words criticizing the original poster.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 2:27:41 PM   
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Ok, I am beginning to think that rest/ training has no purpose. At Los Angeles on December eighth I set the 65th Coastal AA to no replacements rest/ training. I left the 78th at combat with replacements and combat. I sandboxed it to the middle of March. Moral and experience both increased at the same rate. Note: Experience will not go up until your " set future objective" is 100.


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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 2:30:23 PM   
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Ok, I am beginning to think that rest/ training has no purpose. At Los Angeles on December eighth I set the 65th Coastal AA to no replacements rest/ training. I left the 78th at combat with replacements and combat. I sandboxed it to the middle of March. Moral and experience both increased at the same rate. Note: Experience will not go up until your " set future objective" is 100.

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Post #1 'Does rest/training acutually do anything'

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 2:31:09 PM   
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All the Five Star Contributors to this thread should be ashamed of themselves!!!
(Except for staff and Mr. Awesome)

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 2:31:32 PM   
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Ok, I am beginning to think that rest/ training has no purpose. At Los Angeles on December eighth I set the 65th Coastal AA to no replacements rest/ training. I left the 78th at combat with replacements and combat. I sandboxed it to the middle of March. Moral and experience both increased at the same rate. Note: Experience will not go up until your " set future objective" is 100.


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Disco Duck Post #20 AA Unit Experience Thread


The bolded is not entirely correct, it was changed in a patch to:

33. Army experience being gained when not 100% prepared as per manual; changed to allow
chance to gain experience if >75% prepare and < 50% national exp level

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 2:41:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WingCmdr

Ok, I am beginning to think that rest/ training has no purpose. At Los Angeles on December eighth I set the 65th Coastal AA to no replacements rest/ training. I left the 78th at combat with replacements and combat. I sandboxed it to the middle of March. Moral and experience both increased at the same rate. Note: Experience will not go up until your " set future objective" is 100.

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Post #1 'Does rest/training acutually do anything'

As was explained earlier, rest does not impact experience gains but it does impact the rate that disabled devices recover, be they squads or equipment. New units usually come understrength and when they start filling out the missing devices, the new arrivals are often in disabled state. In Rest/Training mode they can come to readiness faster than in combat mode.
And as Alfred pointed out, new troops decrease the experience level so experience gains are not noticeable while TOE is being filled out. Very few things in this game are dependent on single factors, so trying to calculate exactly when things will happen is difficult.

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/12/2019 3:16:32 PM   
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Ok, I am beginning to think that rest/ training has no purpose. At Los Angeles on December eighth I set the 65th Coastal AA to no replacements rest/ training. I left the 78th at combat with replacements and combat. I sandboxed it to the middle of March. Moral and experience both increased at the same rate. Note: Experience will not go up until your " set future objective" is 100.

I am little confused on this one. When I sand boxed it I didn't see any increase in experience until " set future objective" hit 100.
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Disco Duck Post #20 AA Unit Experience Thread


The bolded is not entirely correct, it was changed in a patch to:

33. Army experience being gained when not 100% prepared as per manual; changed to allow
chance to gain experience if >75% prepare and < 50% national exp level



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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/16/2019 2:47:58 PM   
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I was under the impression that one of the main reasons to rest was morale recovery in units.
Not so? -or just not all that important?

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RE: Does rest/training actually do anything? - 6/16/2019 4:16:07 PM   
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I was under the impression that one of the main reasons to rest was morale recovery in units.
Not so? -or just not all that important?



I did not see moral improvements in my sandbox. Or should I say rest training was not better than combat for my units in my sand box.


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