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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/13/2019 7:02:54 PM   
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Well good, it looks like that discussion ran its' course. So let's recap - the poster asked for info on steam, and I responded that it takes the developers time and performs updates that anybody should be able do for themselves. Then we had a staunch supporter confirm that there is actually nothing to steam that he couldn't do himself if he wanted to. Then we had a developer confirm that development time is spent on making steam versions of their games [and I'll add that this is not a one-and-done process, it is perpetual in varying degrees].

I have no agenda, I am simply providing people with the information and facts that were a result of my investigation back when I knew nothing about steam. If I saw it as a positive development I would have no reason not to say so. Skype, for example, is a great program and I highly recommend it to everyone as it can be used for many things beneficial to all of us.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/13/2019 7:56:46 PM   
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Thanks for all the info on Steam. I have made my decision to not install it.

So back to my dumb questions:

C:\Matrix Games\The Operational Art of War IV\Graphics Override

Is full of files, but I read through a bunch of threads and the info says to move all those files to here:

C:\Users\dlazo\Documents\My Games\The Operational Art of War IV\Graphics Override

So that is what I did, is that correct?

So what is this folder for:

C:\Users\dlazo\Documents\My Games\The Operational Art of War IV\Scenarios\Custom Graphics

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/13/2019 9:22:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zovs

So what is this folder for:

C:\Users\dlazo\Documents\My Games\The Operational Art of War IV\Scenarios\Custom Graphics


It contains all the scenarios that use custom graphics.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/13/2019 9:54:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zovs

Thanks for all the info on Steam. I have made my decision to not install it.

So back to my dumb questions:

C:\Matrix Games\The Operational Art of War IV\Graphics Override

Is full of files, but I read through a bunch of threads and the info says to move all those files to here:

C:\Users\dlazo\Documents\My Games\The Operational Art of War IV\Graphics Override

So that is what I did, is that correct?

So what is this folder for:

C:\Users\dlazo\Documents\My Games\The Operational Art of War IV\Scenarios\Custom Graphics


Hmm...no problem with that on Steam.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/14/2019 2:10:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zovs

So what is this folder for:

C:\Users\dlazo\Documents\My Games\The Operational Art of War IV\Scenarios\Custom Graphics


It contains all the scenarios that use custom graphics.


So here is how it looks on my system, the one is empty but I placed per the scenario setup instructions the folders like so:



Weird or normal?

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/14/2019 10:04:41 AM   
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Don - Did you just buy the game? What version do you have ?

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/14/2019 11:39:33 AM   
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Yes just a couple of days ago. .20 was the initial install version and then I downloaded the .21 patch and applied that.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/14/2019 12:36:39 PM   
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In this thread concerning the 4.1.0.20 install: What has happened is that we have moved all default scenarios and their files from the folders under Documents/My Games to the ones under the main game folders within C:\Program Files.

The Documents/My Games folders will still be present, and they should be used for all downloaded custom scenarios - so all instructions on how to download and install those remain the same.


Not sure if things are working as Matrix planned. People playing FitE2 who have posted AARs have screen shots where the modified terrain is not used. This is good evidence that the game is not looking in the proper directories for the scenario's modified files. When I patched TOAW it did indeed remove everything from the Documents folder so if the game is still looking there for modified files nothing will be found and the game will use the default graphics.

Since any modified equipment and counter files are part of the scenario this is not as bad as it would have been in the past. But still, to be sure all modified graphics are being used I put all of the scenarios, even the default ones, in the Documents/.../Graphic Override and the Documents/.../Scenarios folders. Now, no matter where the game is looking for files, they should be found. It's only a minor inconvenience and shouldn't take more than a few minutes.

BTW, the person who archived all of those scenarios from The Strategist (Rugged Defense) did us all a huge favor. Hundreds of scenarios would have been lost without his foresight and hard work.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/14/2019 1:35:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lobster

In this thread concerning the 4.1.0.20 install: What has happened is that we have moved all default scenarios and their files from the folders under Documents/My Games to the ones under the main game folders within C:\Program Files.

The Documents/My Games folders will still be present, and they should be used for all downloaded custom scenarios - so all instructions on how to download and install those remain the same.



This seems to counter what the install instructions say. Everything new/downloaded MUST be placed in the My Documents folder and to move even the custom graphics file from the Program directory as well (there is files in their but they don't show up until after you move them). After I did that I got a new Custom folder in the game to select more scenarios that were previously not present. It does make one wonder if or what is it being read in the Program directory.

At some points this makes it somewhat confusing, and us older gamers have a knack at hacking games to make them work when they don’t as intended, which seems to be kinda the case here. So I think I got it sussed out now with a little reading and a lot of doing.

It’s like a better game of COW/TOAW III thus far, just have to fiddle at first with the custom scenarios to show up and the downloaded ones as well.

Yes to the dude that saved all the Rugged Defense scenarios. I have already converted all the McBride scenarios over to IV.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/14/2019 6:18:28 PM   
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Yes just a couple of days ago. .20 was the initial install version and then I downloaded the .21 patch and applied that.
Thanks for the intel Don, and thanks for reporting this.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/14/2019 7:53:23 PM   
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No Prob. Steve.

The biggest thing that would throw off a newbie is the missing custom files, which need to be moved manually from Programs to My Documents. Otherwise, they will never know they are missing.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/14/2019 8:31:26 PM   
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Hmm...no problem with that on Steam.

Yet I noticed that you didn't mention this from here:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4564492

we have decided to establish identical folder structures for the Matrix and Steam versions.

So while the steam version may work while the Matrix version does not, the issue is a result of the developers having to provide two versions in order to cater to steam. Doing so has broken the Matrix version.

Who has an agenda now ? And thanks again steam

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/14/2019 9:39:31 PM   
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No. It was because Microsoft's OS insisted certain files not reside on the system drive that caused the necessity of separating the files in the first place. It was the introduction of Steam that showed a way around that. It was a programming error that caused the bug, not any systematic error. Your personal issue is becoming an obsession.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/15/2019 8:58:08 PM   
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If improving TOAW [and any other game] is an obsession, I am happily guilty. There is no reason for you to attack me for it. Attack my facts if they are in error.

We didn't need steam to show a way around the new file structure, it worked fine for several years. It was the recent integration of steam into the current file system that screwed everything up. Steam has to have it a certain way, therefore the non-steamers must suffer. This can't be defended, period. You might as well stop trying. You certainly won't stop me from warning people when they ask about it, and I will also continue to point out the source of the problem when people report issues.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/15/2019 9:27:50 PM   
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Your guilty of obsessively whining over Ralph and company trying to increase the sales of TOAW by selling it on Steam. That's the long and short of it. Nothing more to say. You can whine and cry and throw temper tantrums all you want. You've made it very clear you are out to destroy TOAW on Steam because you are mad about dev time spent to increase sales through Steam. It's a done deal and as Bob said has drawn in people who never would have known about the game.

You somehow think that is a bad thing.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/15/2019 10:21:48 PM   
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I have another dumb question.

I can't recall what TOAW ME stands for, I think something like "" Edition, but forgot.

Never mind, I answered my own dumb question with a little google:

TalonSoft published:

The Operational Art of War I: 1939–1955 (1998)
The Operational Art of War II: Modern Battles 1956–2000 (1999)
The Operational Art of War II: Flashpoint Kosovo (1999)
The Operational Art of War II: Elite Edition (2000)
The Operational Art of War: Century of Warfare (2000)
Matrix Games published:

The Operational Art of War III [1] (2006)
The Operational Art of War IV [2] (2017)

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/16/2019 12:37:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zovs

I have another dumb question.

I can't recall what TOAW ME stands for, I think something like "" Edition, but forgot.

Never mind, I answered my own dumb question with a little google:

TalonSoft published:

The Operational Art of War I: 1939–1955 (1998)
The Operational Art of War II: Modern Battles 1956–2000 (1999)
The Operational Art of War II: Flashpoint Kosovo (1999)
The Operational Art of War II: Elite Edition (2000)
The Operational Art of War: Century of Warfare (2000)
Matrix Games published:

The Operational Art of War III [1] (2006)
The Operational Art of War IV [2] (2017)


Hard to believe, that I've got them all ... somewhere ... on some disks or HD somewhere.

Let me know if you'd like to play a PBEM game in TOAW4!!!

I really did not get into it until ACOW, but I have been finding lately all my manuals from TOAW I days! Good times!!!

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/16/2019 4:55:51 AM   
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Your guilty of obsessively whining

You are = You're, by the way.

Ok, so now that you have me established, and you are established as bashing me for presenting the facts that people ask for, I hope you and I are done. Suggest that from now on when I speak up concerning the negative aspects of using steam that if you are compelled to answer you speak up with the positive facts as you see them. No need to continue attacking me personally with inaccurate statements.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 12:27:51 AM   
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More Dumb Questions:

So per 7.14 I understand how the support for HQ and Arty works, but for Air could someone give me a little help on the green, yellow and white? I did not seem to find it in the manual.

Thanks in advance.

Screenshots:







Thanks again. Man this is like an old friend... :D

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 12:29:46 AM   
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Also, if you notice in a few of those screenshots, there is also a green and pink set of lines, what is that? AAA?

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 1:01:55 AM   
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I looked around and finally found the place where you can change the colors to mean what you want them to mean. I've changed a couple of them dealing with my arty and there's a lot of them you can change.




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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 1:13:53 AM   
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Got it thanks Larry!

Here is the default/perfect example:



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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 1:19:22 AM   
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Here's my guess:




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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 2:41:53 AM   
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Rings are only for selected units so the air unit is the only unit to consider.
At least I can conform that the inner one(green/red) is for AS but is also shown when I select sea interdiction.
Aqua is the range set on the unit panel.
Yellow seem to be max range of the unit for combat support, but if rane is set lower the line will not be yellow but black/white.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 3:30:47 AM   
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Thanks BigDuke and that makes a lot of sense.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 11:55:19 AM   
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Okay, I think I got it figured out with the help of both Larry and BigDuke and the actual settings. So this is the deal for range band colors:

This is the in game defaults for range bands and what they mean:



For this particular scenario for this Air Unit, this is what the colors mean:



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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 1:35:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

quote:

Your guilty of obsessively whining

You are = You're, by the way.

Ok, so now that you have me established, and you are established as bashing me for presenting the facts that people ask for, I hope you and I are done. Suggest that from now on when I speak up concerning the negative aspects of using steam that if you are compelled to answer you speak up with the positive facts as you see them. No need to continue attacking me personally with inaccurate statements.


If attacking = stating fact then I'm guilty. I will support any truthful statement you make regardless your (not you're ) views about anything else. That's how I am.

And yes, Zovs' thread has been hijacked enough. See, I've agreed with you.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 1:37:53 PM   
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Okay, I am "sort of new here" but can you two guys drop the whole Steam thing please?

I made my decision and I won't install it, don't need it end of story and thanks for the replies about it. But I have moved on and want to focus more on my dumb questions as I get reacquired with the game.

Thanks in advance.

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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 1:38:45 PM   
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You might want to look at this recent thread concerning ranges: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4619836

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ORIGINAL: Zovs

Okay, I think I got it figured out with the help of both Larry and BigDuke and the actual settings. So this is the deal for range band colors:

This is the in game defaults for range bands and what they mean:



For this particular scenario for this Air Unit, this is what the colors mean:





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RE: Dumb Question(s) - 4/17/2019 5:22:30 PM   
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So when I zoom out now and also in my PBEM playback I am seeing some garbled icons:

Here some shots:





Thoughts on why? Or which file to look at?



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