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2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/6/2018 1:11:21 AM   
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1. CW port strike vs Lisbon.
2. Surprise rolls 2,8, which gives the Germans 11 SP's.
3. Germany uses 10 SP's to increase AA from no effect to lowest 1 of 3.
4. However, when it comes time for the AA, No die rolls and Damage points = 0.
5. MWiF version 2.9.1.4.




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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/6/2018 1:12:24 AM   
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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/6/2018 1:17:00 AM   
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FYI. Just tried this with MWIF version 2.7.0 and it worked fine. In fact the RN Baffin CVP was shot down w/lowest 1/3 = 7. So this is definitely a regression bug that's been introduced somewhere since 2.7.0.

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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/8/2018 7:36:18 AM   
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How is it possible that the CW is surprised by Portugal (or GE anyway?).

CW is bombing Lisbon while CW surprised?


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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/8/2018 3:29:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

How is it possible that the CW is surprised by Portugal (or GE anyway?).

CW is bombing Lisbon while CW surprised?


The CW DOW'ed Portugal, who aligned with Germany, the previous impulse. So, it was a "normal" port strike with Portugal rolling "better" than the RN.


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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/8/2018 9:41:11 PM   
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Maybe I am more obtuse than usual tonight but:

1 In your first image there is the text "surprised side" in the GE /Portugal side.

2 with rolls of 2 and 8 you get a 5 surprise for Axis. It would be necessary to attack from box 0 to reach 11 since a Major port is in box 5 ...which is also impossible with the usual optionals, cause a CV with CVP woould be in box 1.

The only way this sums up is if for some reason the game considered that it was CW the country surprised, and that's why it had such bad surprise.

I know that this is not what you are asking but if it is like this, that would be a much nastier bug. Since Portugal cannot declare war to CW on their own and GE cannot have surprise towards CW as well since turn 1.

Note: besides, the sums of surprise are 13 and 2, according to the images, and with rolls of 8 and 2, this could be explained by a CW roll of 8 plus a Portugal box of 5 (Major port), and a Portugal roll of 2 and a CW box of 0 which might have to do with the game considering CW surprised in a weird way.

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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/9/2018 5:10:30 AM   
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In the picture, the surprised side has khaki units = CW.

The surprise points are "net", and CW must have been in the zero box and rolled the 8. 5 + 8 = 13 and zero plus 2 = 2. 13 - 2 = 11 surprise in favor of the axis side.

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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/9/2018 7:28:36 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

In the picture, the surprised side has khaki units = CW.

The surprise points are "net", and CW must have been in the zero box and rolled the 8. 5 + 8 = 13 and zero plus 2 = 2. 13 - 2 = 11 surprise in favor of the axis side.



Exactly what I was meaning. And that's why I was surprised, since according to rkr it was Portugal the surprised country, and to be true it could not possibly be the other way round because CW can never be surprised by GE and of course not by Portugal.

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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/10/2018 2:27:49 AM   
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No he said they were DoW'd in a prior impulse (post #5) so this is from a "regular" impulse. Still, port striking a major port from the zero box with a 2-range CVP in a non-surprise impulse is what I would call either brave, or at least possessing a surfeit of air missions.

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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/10/2018 7:35:58 AM   
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Yes, but how can CW be DoWed by

- Portugal?
- Germany (after CW DoW on Germany in turn #1 impulse #2)?

So it is like he said, that the CW DoWed... but then why is CW the surprised one like in the first image? And the surprise calculations support that fact, the game is conceding surprise to Portugal.

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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/10/2018 7:13:07 PM   
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See post #7.

"Surprised side" just means the side that rolled poorly.

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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/11/2018 7:29:32 AM   
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Ok, thanks, I didn't know that MWIF naming. However, the Axis gets 8 point for the uk roll of 8, plus it gets 5 more for being a major port totalling 13.

The CW gets 2 points because of the GE/Portuguese roll of 2 plus 0 from the box. It is impossible to get a 0 in a port attack from sea even if you are in the 0 box, because the CVP gives them 1 more level. And the weather seems to be fine. So, he either was using SiF option 27: (CV search) for CVP which makes that only CVPs with planes ranged 4 or more have a +1, or something was not working right.

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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/11/2018 5:17:39 PM   
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The CVP must have a range greater than 3 to increase the search modifier. This one did not.

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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/11/2018 8:23:27 PM   
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As I said in my previous post, only if you are using the very unusual SiF option 27. As i said from the ery beginning, see post #6

quote:

2 with rolls of 2 and 8 you get a 5 surprise for Axis. It would be necessary to attack from box 0 to reach 11 since a Major port is in box 5 ...which is also impossible with the usual optionals, cause a CV with CVP woould be in box 1.

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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/11/2018 10:48:44 PM   
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The picture below is from the game save in Post #2. Perhaps it's different with your group but I have played with many different groups and yours would be the first I have encountered that does not use Option 27.

So nothing to do with searches and surprise numbers is wrong here, but the AA problem reported is a bug.

You know, if you loaded the game save, you'd know for sure which options are in use.




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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/12/2018 4:55:54 AM   
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I never use option 27, because I find it quite ahistorical. The country that benefits most from it is the Japanese, and they didn't even use their carrier planes for search! (The Japanese used cruiser based float planes for search.)

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RE: 2.9.1.4. Port Strike AA Bug. - 10/15/2018 6:19:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

The picture below is from the game save in Post #2. Perhaps it's different with your group but I have played with many different groups and yours would be the first I have encountered that does not use Option 27.

So nothing to do with searches and surprise numbers is wrong here, but the AA problem reported is a bug.

You know, if you loaded the game save, you'd know for sure which options are in use.




Well, maybe I got carried away because we have been not using that option in our last games, but looking backwards maybe you are right, in the old times we always used that optional. And it was better,

As for the downloading savegames, I usually connect to this forum at work and I must not download anything for security reasons, I use to do it at home when I have the opportunity (and remember to), so it sometimes it's a couple of days later.

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