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OFFICIAL Strategic Cmd ELO Tourney updated June 23, 2020

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All,
This tournament is completed. Markiss has graciously started a new tournament. "The Land" found several errors in the calculations of my spreadsheet. He fixed them and put a lot of time into improving it. Because the calculations were wrong it was awarding to many points to the higher winners and subtracting to many points from the lower losers. The new values are posted. However, the changed numerical values did not change the overall ranking.

1. We will start with the ELO results from last tournament.
2. We will use the ELO system located at this URL https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/98469/elo-generator.
3. Players who play and win will move up. If you play a player who is ahead in the standings and win you get more points. If you win against a player that is behind you in the standings you get slightly less points. The contrary is true if you are the looser. If you don't play then others that are playing and winning will eventually pass you. If you don't play for 6 months you will be suspended until you start playing again. In the meantime, your rating will not be shown. I will endeavor to update ELO standings each time a game is finished.
4. You can play more than one game at a time. All players are encouraged to play both as Allies and Axis against the same player. For the time being the only benefit of this is in case of ties. This might change.
5. Playing has 4 steps:
a. Post your desire to play and side you wish.
b. Accept a challenge already posted.
c. Both sides confirm start of game and sides. Optional post an After Action Report
d. Post who won include side, game date of win, and whether it was a surrender, Decisive, Major or Minor win. For the time being the only benefit of win type is in case of ties. This might change.
6. This tourney is for the 1939 Campaign.

First Tournament ELO results and starting results for second/ongoing tournament
Sugar 1087.82 GAMES 6
KZ 1073.66 RETIRED 10 September 2018 GAMES 7
pig100 1014.89 GAMES 1
johanssb 1014.89 GAMES 1
Sillyflower 1014.89 GAMES 1
Hberg 1014.89 GAMES 1
room 1014.44 GAMES 3
Rannug61 999.11 GAMES 6 NOTE has 3 wins whereas the next 5 players above have only 1 win.
IrishGuards 1000.11 GAMES 4 NOTE has 2 wins whereas 5 players above have only 1 win.
MrLongLeg 999.66 GAMES 2
HamburgerMeat 999.66 GAMES 2
Taxman66 999.66 GAMES 2
LLv34Mika 985.00 GAMES 3
Ironclad 985.00 GAMES 1
BPINisBack 984.66 GAMES 3
Amadeus 970.00 GAMES 2
bullet912 969.89 GAMES 2
PJL1973 969.89 GAMES 2
Ktonos 969.89 GAMES 2
nnason 969.88 GAMES 2
YohanTM 969.11 GAMES 6 NOTE has 2 wins whereas the next 5 players above have no wins.
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Ongoing games:
this section removed to hard to keep up

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GAME RESULTS:
Sept 19, 201 YohanTM (Axis) and BPINisBACK (Allies). WON by BPINisBACK Game win TBP game date TBP
Sept 30, 2018 LLv34Mika (Axis) and PJL1973 (Allies). WON by LLv34Mika. Surrender on game date April 1941,.
Oct 4, 2018 MrLongLeg (Allies) and Sugar (Axis). WON by Sugar. Surrender on Summer 1942.
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Oct 9, 2018 Bolko (Axis) and Sugar (Allies) WON by Sugar Game TBP on game date TBP.
Oct 16, 2018 HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Ktonos (Axis) WON by Ktonos Surrender on game date April 1942
Oct 17, 2018 Bolko (Axis) vs MrLongLeg (Allies) WON by MrLongleg Surrender on game date Feb 1943.
Oct 19, 2018 Rannug61 (axis) and PJL1973(allies) WON by Rannug61. Game TBP. Date TBP.
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Oct 19 2018 Bolko (Axis) Irish Guards (Allies) WON by Irishguards. Surrender on game date Jan 1941.
Oct 23, 2018 BPINisBACK (Axis) and ktonos (Allies). WON by Ktonos Allied Victory July 1944.
Oct 26, 2018 Jeff_Ahl (Axis) and Dmondragon75 (Allies) WON by Dmondragon75 Surrender turn 74.
Oct 26, 2018 Taxman (Axis) and Markiss (Allies) WON by Taxman Surrender Sept.1942
Oct 26, 2018 Bolko (Axis) vs Ktonos (Allies WON by Ktonos Surrender Oct. 1940
Oct 26, 2016 Ktonos (Axis) and IrishGuards(Allies) WON by Ktonos Surrender Oct. 1942
Oct 29, 2018 Rannug61 (Axis) and Markiss (Allies) WON by Rannug61 Axis victory May 30, 1945
Oct 30, 2018 Fafnir(axis) vs Dmondragon75 (allies) WON by Fafnir Surrender date TBD.
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Nov 08, 2018 Rannug61 (Allies) vs Bolko (Axis) WON by Rannug61 Surrender date TBD
Nov 08, 2018 Demondragon61 (Allies) vs Bolko (Axis) WON by Demon Surrender date TBD
Nov 21, 2018 Fafnir(Allies) vs Ktonos (Axis) WON by Fafnir Surrender date December 1940
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Nov 23, 2018 Fafnir (Allies) vs Sugar (Axis) WON by Fafnir …………………………..
Nov 29, 2018 Fafnir (axis) vs Hiberg (Allies) WON by Fsfnir Axis Decisive victory July 1043
Nov 29, 2018 BPINISback (axis) VS Markiss (Allies) WON by BPINisBACK Surrender Spring 1944
Nov 29, 2018 Ktonos (Allies) vs Markiss (Axis) WON by Ktonos Surrender Dec 1942
Nov 30, 2018 nnason (Axis) against Bolko (Allies) WON by nnason Surrender date TBD NOTE Bolko had family issue.
Dec 1, 2018 Ktonos (Allies) vs Jeff_ahl (Axis) Won by Ktonos Surrender July 1940
Dec 4, 2018 Ktonos (Axis) vs PJL1973 (Allies) Won by Ktonos Surrender April 1941
Dec 9, 2018 SalGoodman (Axis) vs. Taxman66 (Allies) Won by SaulGoodman Surrender date TBD
Dec 10, 2018 Fafnir (Axis) vs. Dmonfragon75 (Allies) Won by Fafnir Surrender August 1942
Dec 13, 2018 Javichu (Axis) vs nnason (Allies) WON by Javichu Axis Major victory date TBD had everything but London Congrats to Javichu for his first tournament game.
Dec 19, 2018 BPINisBACK (Allies) vs. guggy (Axis) WON by BPINisBACK Allies Decisive in think June 1945 long game congrats to both.
Dec 20, 2018 Dmondragon (Allies) vs nnason (Axis) WON by Dmongragon Surrender May 42

Dec 20, 2018 Ktonos (Allies) vs nnason (Axis) WON by Ktonos Surrender July 1940
Jan 5, 2019 Hartmann301 (Axis) vs Markiss (Allies) Won by Hartman301 victory October 1944
Jan 6, 2019 Rannug61 (Allies) vs Elcondoro (Axis) Won by Rannug61 Victory Feb 1944
Jan 16, 2019 SaulGoodman (Allies) vs. Hartmann301 Won bb SaulGoodman
Feb 23, 2019 Rannug61 (Axis) vs. ElCondoro Won by Axis Victory Summer 1944
Feb 28, 2019 Hartmann301 (Axis) vs. Elcondoro Won by Hartmann301 Victory July 1944
Mar 3, 2019 Mika (Axis) vs. Markiss (Allies) Won by Mika Victory July 1945
Mar 8, 2019 Room (Allies) vs. Hartmann301 Won by room Victory Summer 1946 Very long game

At this point Allies 36 and Axis 33


Mar 16 2019 Ktonos (Allies) vs. Rannug61 (Axis) Won by Ktonos Victory Fall 1944
Apr 02 2019 nnason (Allies) vs Giovanni705 (Axis) Won by Giovanni70 Surrender 1942
Apr 04 2019 Hartmann301 (Axis) vs nnason (Allies) Won by Hartmann301 surrender July 1942
Apr 05 2019 Irishguards (Allies) vs. El Condoro (Axis) Won by Irishguards 1943
Apr 06 2019 Azhraden (Allies) vs. Rannug61 (Axis) Won by Azhraden win July 1945
Apr 09 2019 Etzel (Allies) vs Davidfaust (Axis) Won by Etzel 1941
Apr 16 2019 Elveranomaslargo (Allies) vs Hartmann301 (Axis) Won by Elveranomaslargo July 1945
Apr 16 2019 DavidFaust (Allies) vs Rannug61 (Axis Won by Rannug61 Surrender July 1943
Apr 17 2019 DavidFaust (Allies) vs Hartmann301 (Axis) Won by Hartmann301 Surrender Sept 19
Apr 22 2019 LLv34Mika (Allies) vs Hartmann301 (Axis) Won by LLv34Mika Sept 1945
Apr 22 2019 Markiss (Allies) vs Elveranomaslargo (Axis) Won be Elveranomaslargo August 1943 Please note who won was changed 20170516
Apr 23 2019 Janichu (Allies) vs nnason (Axis) Won by nnason Surrender 1942
Apr 23 2019 Ktonos (Allies) vs nnason (Axis) Won by Ktonos Surrender Feb 1942
May 30 2019 Elveranomaslargo (Allies) vs Fafnir (Axis) Won by Fafnir Decisive July 1943
May 30 2019 PJL1973 (Allied) vs Elveranomaslargo (Axis) Won by Elveranomaslargo decisive March 1943
Jun 09 2019 Markiss (Allies) vs Etzel (Axis) Won by Etzel Surrender July 1942
Jun 12 2019 Rannug61 (Allies) vs Markiss(Axis) Won by Rannug61 Surrender Summer 1943
Jun 17 2019 Gilber (Allies) vs. Fafnir (Axis) Won by Fafnir Surrender Spring 1941
Jun 21 2019 Rannug61 (Allies) vs. Fafnir (Axis) Won by Fafnir Victory March 1943
Jun 25 2019 Gilber (Allies) vs. Rannug61 (Axis) Won by Rannug61 Surrender 1941
Jun 26 2019 Taxmann66 vs. Fafnir (Axis) Won by Fafnir Surrender January 1941
Jun 29 2019 Elcondoro (Allies) vs. Rannug61 (Axis) Won by Rannug61 Victory Fall 1943
Jun 30 2019 Gilber (Allies) vs. Ktonos (Axis) Won by Ktonos Surrender Sept 1942
Jul 02 2019 Ktonos (Allies) vs. ElCondor (Axis) Won by Ktonos Allied Victory Late 1944 winner changed 4 July 2019
Jul 05 2019 Gronivaure (Axis) vs Gilber (Allies) Won by Gronivaure Axis victory Summer 1941
Jul 20 2019 Rannug61 (Allies) vs ElCondoro (Axis) Won by Rannug61 Allies August 44
Jul 20 2019 Ktonos (Axis) vs Gilber (Allies) Won by Ktonos Axis May 43
Jul 21 2019 Fafnir (Axis) vs ElCondoro (Allies) Won by Fafnir Axis Summer 43
Jul 26 2019 Fafnir (Axis) vs Ktonos (Allies) Won by Fafnir Axis Fall 43
Jul 31 2019 Gronivaure (axis) vs BPINuis Back (Allies) Won by Gronivaure Axis 27 July 1945
Aug 01 2019 Gilber (Allies) vs ElCondoro (Axis) Won by Gilber Allies Spring 1945
Aug 01 2019 Etzel (Axis) vs Dario Stolfa (Allies) Won by Etzel Axis October 1942
Sep 09 2019 Etzel (Axis) vs nnason (Allies) Won by Etzel Axis Sept 42
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Sep 17 2019 Fafnir (Axis) vs Gilber (Allies) Won by Fafnir Axis Surrender 1940
Sep 18 2019 Ktonos (Axis) vs Markiss (Allies) Won by Ktonos Axis Decisive Victory Summer 1943
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Oct 05 2019 Fafnir (Axis) vs Rannug61 (Allies) Won by Fafnir AxiSummer 1943
Oct 08 2019 Gilber (Allies ) vs Hartmann301 (Axis) Won by Gilber Surrender 1941
Oct 13 2019 Fafnir (Allies) vs Markiss (Axis) Won by Fafnir Allied victory July 1943
Oct 17 2019 Rannug61 (Allies) vs ElCondoro ((Axis) Won by Rannug61 Allied victory Spring 1944
Oct 25 2019 Taifun (Axis) vs Rannug61 (Allies) Won by Taifun Allied surrender Oct 1942
Oct 2019 Gilber (Allies) vs BPINisBACK (Axis) won by Gilber .....
Nov 30 2019 Markiss (Allies) vs ELCondoro (Axis) Won by MArkiss Allied Victory Nov 1944
Dec 09 2019 Rannug61 (Allied ) vs Ktnonos (Axis) Won by Rannug61 TOURNAMENT GAME
Dec 2019 Elcondoro (Axis) vs Gilber (Allies) Won by Gilber Allied Victroy Summer 1944 TOURNAMENT GAME
Dec 15 2019 Taifun (Allies) vs Markiss (Axis) Won by Taifun Summer 1943
Dec 2019 Gilber (Axis) vs Taifun (Allies) won by Gilber Axis Victory May 1943 TOURNAMENT GAME
Jan 01 2020 Hartnmann301 (Axis) vs Markiss (Allies) Won by Hartmann301 Axis Victory August 1943
Jan 13 2020 Taifun (Allies) vs nnason (Axis) Won by Taifun April 1941 surrender. TOURNAMENT GAME
Jan 18 2020 Ironclad (Allies) vs Hartmann301 (Axis) Won by Hartmann301 Allied surrenders July 43
Jan 25 2020 Taifun (Allies) vs Hartmann310 (Axis) Won by Taifun Surrender Sept 1940 Second game with Taifun hold that line defense
Jan 27 2020 BPINisBACK (Allies) vs Hartmann301 (Axis) won by Hartmann301 minor victgory May 47
Feb 03 2020 Elveramaslarge (Allies) vs Etzel (Axis) won by Etzel victory July 1944 TOURNAMENT GAME
Feb 2020 Elcondoro (Allies) vs Gilber (Axis) won by Gilber Allied surrender date .... TOURNAMENT GAME
Feb 21 2020 Ktnonos (Allies) vs Etzel (Axis) Etzel victory dec 1044 TOURNAMENT GAME

Mar 21 2020 Fafnir (Allies) vs Gilber (Axis) Fafnir victory July 1942
Apr 02 2020 Markiss (Allies) vs BPINisBACK (Axis) Markiss victory Aug 1945
Apr 24 2020 ElCondoro (Allies) vs Markiss (Axis) ElCondoro victoru June 1945



UPDATED as of June 23, 2020 And this is now done.


Fafnir 1,185.3
Etzel 1,084.6
Sugar 1,091.8
Ktonos 1,058.1
Rannug61 1,073.1
KZ 1,061.1
Taifun 1,036.1
Hartmann301 1,030.7
LLv34Mika 1,017.2
Gronivaure 1,030.3
roon 1,029.8
Azhraden 1,018.4
Javichu 994.6
Giovanni705 1,013.2
pig100 1,016.8
johanssb 1,016.0
Sillyflower 1,016.0
Hberg 1,001.1
SaulGoodman 1,032.6
IrishGuards 1,016.5
Dmondragon 1,013.2
Elveranomaslargo 1,012.7
MrLongLeg 1,004.0
gilber 975.0
guggy 983.9
Dario Stolfa 985.3
Ironclad 969.5
HamburgerMeat 983.2
Taxman66 987.4
Amadeus 966.7
bullet912 968.7
Jeff_Ahl 968.6
DavidFaust 955.4
BPINisBack 945.4
YohanTM 955.3
PJL1973 915.1
Bolko 905.2
ElCondoro 875.2
nnason 901.9
Markiss 888.7



total of 60 Allied wins and 64 Axis wins.



NOTE I AM ALWAYS OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS AND/OR CORRECTIONS.

NOTE NOTE NOTE ----------------------------
Several players have asked about house rules are they allowed or not. We had a discussion on the other tournament tread. Ideas seem to be mixed and I didn't say either way at the start of this tournament. However, at least two games are using house rules one for UBER-Diplo and one for soft builds. I think that as long as both players agree in advance in writing that a single house rule is OK. THOUGHTS???


LAST POST/UPDATE OF THIS ELO TOURNAMENT onto the new ELO TOURNAMENT.
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I suggest every ongoing game has to be announced, and players bypassed in the rating should have the right to challenge the bypasser. For players with less time to play, lower ranked players should be aloud to choose the side.
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Good luck all!
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ORIGINAL: Sugar

I suggest every ongoing game has to be announced, and players bypassed in the rating should have the right to challenge the bypasser. For players with less time to play, lower ranked players should be aloud to choose the side.

Sugar I like your ideas.
1. All games do have to be announced.
2. Are you suggesting the following:
A. If lower ranking player A starts a game with higher ranking player B and then player C between the two players in rank can challenge player A. (If challenge is not accepted, then what? Suggestions)
B. For players with less time to play, then what? Suggestions
C. For games with a lower ranked player, the lower ranked player gets to choose the side.
D. For games between equal rankings (less that a 3 points,) then what? Suggestions
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All,
KZ says he is retiring from Strategic Cmd and his ELO score should be marked as retired. Lets hope after the battle fatigue wears off, he will change his mind!!!

NOTE: A player who hasn't played in six months is automatically suspended. Perhaps what we need to do is have a retired category for players stating they are moving on and a suspended category for players that disappear. And note both in the rankings rather than having then fall off.
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A. If lower ranking player A starts a game with higher ranking player B and then player C between the two players in rank can challenge player A. (If challenge is not accepted, then what? Suggestions)
B. For players with less time to play, then what? Suggestions

A. Just in case a high ranking player can't find willing victims and therefore losing score. Afaik other than in the ladder system, nobodie's forced to play certain higher ranked players.
B. For players who lack the time to play mirror games.
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Looking for a game too.
Sugar thanks for redirecting me to this thread
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already playing vs pjl1973
he is playing the allies

Poland, Denmark, Norway and Netherlands are mine.
April 1940
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Game currently ongoing between me (axis) and Hberg (allies)
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If Elo is the thing now, shouldn't the type of victory and even the date of victory play a role in the scoring?

Eg
Player #4 vs Player #2: Player #2 wins Major victory in 1946.
Player #3 vs Player #2. Player #2 wins Decisive victory in 1943.

Shouldn't Player #4 score more than player #3? Shouldn't Player #2 take more points from his second game rather than his first?

It could be done with a simple formula, like
Points in victory = (10%-Y)*(opponent's points)*X
Points in defeat = (10%*+Y)*(opponent's points)*X

Where X is 4 Decisive Victory, 1.5 Major Victory, 0.5 Major Defeat, 0.1 Decisive Defeat
and Y = Game years * 1% (eg game ends in 1944 = 5%)

Just brainstorming
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Ktonos,
Please keep brainstorming. I was thinking of doing something like this. See Tourney 1 thread for discussion.
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So, I did some research and found the formula used for Elo ratings. Then I went and produced an excel format.

It's simple, enter rating of players in first box. Then enter result for each player in second box (1 victory, 0 defeat, 0.5 for draws)

New Elo will be calculated in the final box.

The K-Rating I have to the right, is a modifier on how severe the Elo change will be. Chess uses a K rating of 32. Did some playtest and it seems with a 32 K-Rating changes are kind of slow for a tourney that will have 4-8 games per player. Anyways, here it is.

https://www.filedropper.com/eloratingcalculator

Edit:
1. To add decisive victories/ defeats, we could the Match Result box input values like this: (1.2 Decisive victory, 1 victory, 0.5 draw, 0.2 major defeat, 0 decisive defeat)

2. I would suggest a K rating of at least 50, maybe 75, if we want each game result to have a meaningful effect.
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Ktonons, decisive victories/defeats are all that will ever occur with the given in game victory conditions. In order to get something less the game has to go to 1947 without the Allies Conquering the Axis (or the Axis getting all the victory cities they need for decisive victory).

It will never happen.
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If the allies offer peace after Lenningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow fall, and axis accepts its a major not a decisive victory.

Anyways. I agree that a simple victory-defeat approach should be adopted.
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ORIGINAL: Ktonos

So, I did some research and found the formula used for Elo ratings. Then I went and produced an excel format.

It's simple, enter rating of players in first box. Then enter result for each player in second box (1 victory, 0 defeat, 0.5 for draws)

New Elo will be calculated in the final box.

The K-Rating I have to the right, is a modifier on how severe the Elo change will be. Chess uses a K rating of 32. Did some playtest and it seems with a 32 K-Rating changes are kind of slow for a tourney that will have 4-8 games per player. Anyways, here it is.

https://www.filedropper.com/eloratingcalculator

Edit:
1. To add decisive victories/ defeats, we could the Match Result box input values like this: (1.2 Decisive victory, 1 victory, 0.5 draw, 0.2 major defeat, 0 decisive defeat)

2. I would suggest a K rating of at least 50, maybe 75, if we want each game result to have a meaningful effect.

Ktonos,
I appreciate your help. Are you suggesting we use what you developed verses the spreadsheet I am using? If so why?
How to work decisive verses something else is an ongoing discussion. I am open to all ideas.

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Didn't see that before. No, if the file from BBG works there's no need to change it.
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(EDIT:Found a game)
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Hello,

Is it an ongoing tourney where we can join the ride after the official starting date ?
If yes, I would like to join the party...

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Game started, HamburgerMeat (Allies) vs Ktonos (Axis)

I would be open for a couple of games more, so anyone open can PM me
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Looking for game ??
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