Chitose and Chiyoda

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I've had these boats safe in harbor since the earliest time I could get them there. Chitose is currently at Hiroshima whose drydock is empty and Chiyoda is at Osaka and ditto. It's 12/26/42 and neither has entered drydock for conversion. I don't remember it taking so long in past games. Who has experienced longer waits? Just so we get a range to have in mind.

For those who aren't familiar with this, conversion to CVLs became available on 11/1/42.

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I thought they had to be in Tokyo to convert with the Repair Yard appropriately built up.

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The two fast CSs (Chitose and Chiyoda) needs to be in Tokyo (only in Tokyo) to convert and Tokyo needs to have more than 50 yards
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Yup, Tokyo, and her repair yard must be at least 50.
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Just curious, why would that be?

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I'd swear I converted all 4 CSs before and don't remember anything about Tokyo. I'm getting old. Sometimes I forget I've seen a movie and someone will say "You saw it, with me."

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Just curious, why would that be?

Dev's decision. They felt that otherwise there could be some kind of abuse with the conversions. Absolutely no idea what that might be, but I trust their judgement.
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I'm getting old. Sometimes I forget I've seen a movie and someone will say "You saw it, with me."

Oh, that's bad.[:D] Not quite there yet, but doubt I'm far behind.
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Now I'm confused if Tokyo needs to be above 50 at 51 or can be at 50.
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A possible reason for the developer's decision is that the Japanese did not decide to convert those ships until after the disaster at Midway?
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Just curious, why would that be?

To prevent a conversion to Chlamydia






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Just stuff them with Rex's and use them.
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I've had these boats safe in harbor since the earliest time I could get them there. Chitose is currently at Hiroshima whose drydock is empty and Chiyoda is at Osaka and ditto. It's 12/26/42 and neither has entered drydock for conversion. I don't remember it taking so long in past games. Who has experienced longer waits? Just so we get a range to have in mind.

For those who aren't familiar with this, conversion to CVLs became available on 11/1/42.

This was explained a while ago, but I don't remember the precise explanation. Something along the lines of Chitose and Chiyoda being conversions while the other CS was considered upgrades. The conversions are hard-coded to Tokyo and Tokyo only. Other upgrades can be performed in other ports with suitable naval yards.
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Now I'm confused if Tokyo needs to be above 50 at 51 or can be at 50.

50 works.
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I've had these boats safe in harbor since the earliest time I could get them there. Chitose is currently at Hiroshima whose drydock is empty and Chiyoda is at Osaka and ditto. It's 12/26/42 and neither has entered drydock for conversion. I don't remember it taking so long in past games. Who has experienced longer waits? Just so we get a range to have in mind.

For those who aren't familiar with this, conversion to CVLs became available on 11/1/42.

This was explained a while ago, but I don't remember the precise explanation. Something along the lines of Chitose and Chiyoda being conversions while the other CS was considered upgrades. The conversions are hard-coded to Tokyo and Tokyo only. Other upgrades can be performed in other ports with suitable naval yards.

I think the other 2, being CS to CVL conversion upgrades, must also be performed at Tokyo.

Hell, I think even the BB to BB conversion of Ise/Hyuga have to be done at Tokyo, too.
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I think the other 2, being CS to CVL conversion upgrades, must also be performed at Tokyo.

I don't believe that to be the case. I believe that the others can be performed at Nagasaki or Hiroshima or some such. Anyone with solid credentials in Google-Fu want to give this a whack?
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I converted all four at Tokyo, but I've alway recalled only Chitose and Chiyoda being required to convert at Tokyo. It is an old brain here though...
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One puzzling decision to force them to upgrade at Tokyo. For the epic size of the game which was already much work done for the devs there what appears like superfluous code in the game, another for example is the aerial mining. I mean just start build the aerial mines a certain date, no need to hardcode the thing.
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Now I'm confused if Tokyo needs to be above 50 at 51 or can be at 50.

50 works.

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I think the other 2, being CS to CVL conversion upgrades, must also be performed at Tokyo.

Anywhere the yard is the correct size will work. I believe it needs to be 25, but I'd check on that before committing.
Hell, I think even the BB to BB conversion of Ise/Hyuga have to be done at Tokyo, too.

Again any yard of the proper size will suffice. Same goes for Mogami, she's the one CA that will go through a similar conversion.


Edit:I should have been more specific above. When saying 'yard' better verbiage would have been 'repair yard' as this is what is required. BTW I checked and a repair yard of 25 for the second two CS/CVL 'upgrades' is what is required. The first two CVL's are considered a 'conversion' as pointed out in Alfred's link below. Read it to find out the difference in terminology.
Interchanging the two terms is something I've no doubt been guilty of as well.
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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I've had these boats safe in harbor since the earliest time I could get them there. Chitose is currently at Hiroshima whose drydock is empty and Chiyoda is at Osaka and ditto. It's 12/26/42 and neither has entered drydock for conversion. I don't remember it taking so long in past games. Who has experienced longer waits? Just so we get a range to have in mind.

For those who aren't familiar with this, conversion to CVLs became available on 11/1/42.

This was explained a while ago, but I don't remember the precise explanation. Something along the lines of Chitose and Chiyoda being conversions while the other CS was considered upgrades. The conversions are hard-coded to Tokyo and Tokyo only. Other upgrades can be performed in other ports with suitable naval yards.

In very simplified terms the conversion/upgrade rationale is the driving force. The full details are provided in my posts in this thread:

tm.asp?m=3819690&mpage=1&key=conversion&#3819792

Those posts also provide links back to relevant Don Bowen and JWE posts in earlier threads.

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