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Military Operations - 6/21/2018 6:28:12 PM   
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Really exciting this I feel. If they get it right they'd have done a huge achievement. Plus again innovative.

Old working title was Chain of Command.

Expect a review at AWNT when released.

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RE: Military Operations - 6/21/2018 7:08:16 PM   
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18GB for a benchmark?





supports nato and my type, right out of the box, so one tick in it's favor




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RE: Military Operations - 6/21/2018 7:44:57 PM   
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now for my opinion for what it's worth,

OMG,

https://steamcommunity.com/app/821680/


until you get to the bit that says RTS, so put me off straight away,

so epic scale, but maybe too large, and too much for most people, as it would be for me to handle, as from the first map shown, you get the worlds globe, so the game covers the world, which is good to know, but also quite off putting for me also,...

overall, maps and looks and feels is very good, but don't like the overall low end graphics used, but can also understand that without using a cray computer to run it, would be hard pressed to make it work at this sort of scale without something going to the low end side,

runs well for a demo, you can stop it, zoom to anywhere you like and really get down to a single solider if you wish, with support, and modders etc making more battles, and not just from the developers, it could cope or do anything from the maps, also the price, the amount of time to get it working correctly, as epic games tend to have epic problems etc etc, but again,...

RTS, so no it's not a war game as such, more of a play thing for those who like to run around a keyboard and screen like a mad man trying to do the job of 10 people all at once, those who can will love it, those like me who like a slower type of game, counters and hexes and turn based turns, won't.

so for me it's another way of dumbing down a war game for those who don't like real war games, so have no idea how it will go once released, as these type of things sell well, maybe good if the supports there and they get the game finished with some good reviews etc.







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RE: Military Operations - 6/21/2018 7:50:36 PM   
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so different levels of zooms, maps rotate all in real time, so the engine is very good and makes the whole thing very fluid











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RE: Military Operations - 6/21/2018 7:56:22 PM   
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but the amount of things going off in the games demo bench mark is overwhelming tbh

https://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791461812555/announcements/detail/1693798980346075400


speaks for itself on the grand epic scale of the game, ambitious to say the least, if they get it right and working, it will be the largest RTS ever built and could cover anything, date wise with ease, or time wise even, if it's added to the data base etc,

but the size and scope may also be it's downfall imo, as who has the time to play on this scale? in real time, yes you can pause it, but omg, the scale is breath taking to say the least





as my saying goes, if you build it, i'll test it and play it, but this one if far outside my ability to even get my head around, it's like 10 WITE and W and some more, yes i'm sure the RTS battles will be smaller than this demo etc, but no way can you do the numbers mentioned unless the UI is on the world best list, so wish them all the best, and hope one day they make a war game with the same engine, but not another RTS.

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RE: Military Operations - 6/21/2018 7:57:38 PM   
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Ridiculous graphics dont even look that good ill just phone NASA to see if they will lend me there computer

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
MINIMUM:
Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS: Windows 7 x64
Processor: AMD or Intel Quad core
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: NVidia GTX 670, AMD Radeon HD 7950 (OpenGL 4.3, OpenCL 1.2, 3 GB VRAM, 2 TFLOP)
Storage: 25 GB available space
Additional Notes: Intel Integrated Graphics not supported
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OS: Windows 10 x64
Processor: Intel i5 Quad-core or equivalent
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: NVidia GTX 970, AMD Radeon R9 280 (OpenGL 4.3, OpenCL 1.2, 4 GB VRAM, 4 TFLOP)
Storage: 25 GB available space
Additional Notes: Intel Integrated Graphics not supported
Military Operations: Benchmark © 2018 Military Operations B.V.

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RE: Military Operations - 6/21/2018 8:02:01 PM   
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well it runs pretty well on my 5 year old test pc if i'm very honest,

Operating System: Windows 10 Home Single Language 64-bit (10.0, Build 17134) (17134.rs4_release.180410-1804)
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2700K CPU @ 3.50GHz (8 CPUs), ~4.2GHz
Memory: 16384MB RAM
ser DPI Setting: 120 DPI (125 percent)
System DPI Setting: 144 DPI (150 percent)
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960
Display Memory: 12221 MB
Dedicated Memory: 4053 MB
Shared Memory: 8168 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)







zooms in and out and refreshes at 25fps on my setup, won't be loading it onto my gaming rig, as tbh just being nosey and wanted to look and see what it was, the steam page got me interested, but not enough to but it, as i don't do RTS at all tbh

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RE: Military Operations - 6/21/2018 10:26:33 PM   
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Really not sure why they bother with low level 3D units. Prefer it if just icons like in Graviteam Tactics when zoomed out abit.

I'm sure Matrix was supposed to be involved with this one?

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RE: Military Operations - 6/21/2018 11:11:37 PM   
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It seems strange to have the whole globe and yet represent individual vehicles. I like RTS games but I love wargames.



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RE: Military Operations - 6/22/2018 2:58:56 AM   
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Hopefully, it won't be like Supreme Ruler combat. Such detail, but it always came down to RTS lasso your units and mashing them together. SR series even modeled high ground advantage, had tons of realistic units and stats, but even starting a game with no units, it just became a mess, for me anyway.

Thanks for the preview on this one!

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RE: Military Operations - 6/22/2018 3:23:28 AM   
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Looks nice, but overwhelming too me. The whole world in RTS! I'm just to old for that.

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RE: Military Operations - 6/22/2018 4:41:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin

Really not sure why they bother with low level 3D units. Prefer it if just icons like in Graviteam Tactics when zoomed out abit.

I'm sure Matrix was supposed to be involved with this one?


no idea tbh, it really does move well for me, so the engine can really be something to hold out and say well done to, but the amount of units which can be on the map and moved to me makes most war games look very small, kind of like a control all of a given size of army, divisions, squad type game as depending on what level of zoom you go down to, you not only see less, but can move less it seems, but may not end up like this, so that i'm not sure, but with the low end look and feel, like the buildings and ground and units, but just a epic scale of everything, some will love it, others will pass.

i'll just sit on the fence and wait until they bring on out something i like and can live with and can play, which isn't a RTS

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RE: Military Operations - 6/22/2018 12:10:54 PM   
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Zak this will run at x1 pace which is very sedate!

It will have to have very good Tac AI and Great friendly AI so your units can look after themselves or be managed well by AI commanders as you'll never be able to keep track of everything.

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RE: Military Operations - 6/22/2018 12:26:29 PM   
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uninstalled, as yes can be x1 to x32, but in the end it's a RTS, so not something i'd care to play, while looks aren't everything either, it's to basic and too large for me,

if it goes and has a none rts mode, better looks and models for units and cities, makes smaller battles, then for me it's more for me, not saying it won't sell well either, as RTS and FPS and other types sell by the bucket loads, just i'm not interested in them, is all im saying, but thanks for the post and share all the same, as others have already mentioned it's been out there for quite a while already in one format or another.

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RE: Military Operations - 6/23/2018 11:23:45 AM   
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Conceptually, I like this. As far as wargames go, there's absolutely a niche to fill here I think. Will most certainly keep an eye on this.

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RE: Military Operations - 6/23/2018 11:54:33 AM   
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had a few comversations and replies from the developers,

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Thanks for taking the time to try out the MilOps: Benchmark

We understand your problems with many RTS games all too well. When we use the term in relation to MilOps we mean it the literal “Real-time Strategy”, not RTS the game genre (like StarCraft).
Our blogs reflect our own frustration with non-realistic strategy games.
We like to use the term “Realtime Operational Wargame” now because it does a better job describing the concept.

The game, which is still in development, is very much a serious wargame with emphasis on realism and simulation. To pull that off for 50K troops, the GPU is doing all the heavy lifting and thus the graphics are intentionally stylized.
That said, visuals and assets will improve before release.

To make a game where the player controls that many units feasible, new UI concepts needed to be developed. None of those are featured in the Benchmark by the way.
The unique AI is also very important to make MilOps possible.

If you are interested, you may want to read our blog entries on the website.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you would actually like what we have in mind.

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RE: Military Operations - 6/23/2018 11:59:01 AM   
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Seems very promising.

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RE: Military Operations - 6/23/2018 4:45:13 PM   
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Seems very promising (I hope recommended specs grow no more as they are on the limit). Wargaming operation barbarossa or parts of it with such an engine would be great.

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RE: Military Operations - 6/25/2018 1:37:02 AM   
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My system doesn't support it no vram. i don't even no what vram is!

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RE: Military Operations - 6/25/2018 4:16:35 AM   
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video memory

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RE: Military Operations - 6/25/2018 9:57:39 AM   
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As in my Graphics card which is 8 gig and if that's not enough then I guess you can count me out.

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RE: Military Operations - 6/25/2018 10:03:19 AM   
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maybe an error, as do you have onboard as well?

and have you tried the new build, which has better error correction in it?

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RE: Military Operations - 6/26/2018 2:26:32 PM   
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just an update from the developers to say what it does and what it doesn't do and why etc,

quote:

http://militaryoperationshq.com/milops-the-game/


something to keep an eye on, but still not sure myself, can't get my head around RTS, but you never know, never say never, this maybe the first one, but only time will tell,...

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