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OT: New Generation of Frigates - 6/14/2018 2:03:03 AM   
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Here is the article:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/we-toured-the-heavily-armed-and-stealthy-warship-that-may-be-the-us-navys-next-frigate/ss-AAyyGNp?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=iehp

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RE: OT: New Generation of Frigates - 6/14/2018 2:18:52 AM   
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Nice ship ....GP

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RE: OT: New Generation of Frigates - 6/14/2018 12:27:51 PM   
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I would be surprised if the USN go ahead with a foreign design

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RE: OT: New Generation of Frigates - 6/14/2018 5:51:59 PM   
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They don't have anything to go with. USN is top heavy with only Arleigh Burkes as surface ships design.
All other designes are old and the new "transformative" - i would have used a now a 4 letter word - failed : LCS, Zumwallts, even the new carriers have a lot of troubles with new tech catapults and not ready for service.

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RE: OT: New Generation of Frigates - 6/15/2018 2:03:47 PM   
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The LCS (both models) are abject failures. Almost anything else would be better. The Spanish design already is fitted with a lot of American stuff including American VLS so standards (used by Spain already, will be on the Australian versions - fewer and less capable SAMs on the Norwegian ships).

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RE: OT: New Generation of Frigates - 6/15/2018 3:59:43 PM   
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Navantia (spanish shipbuilding company) is a solid shipyard, with lot of experience making warships, including small carriers, FFGs, and such...

Show me the money

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RE: OT: New Generation of Frigates - 6/15/2018 6:02:48 PM   
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Navantia offer has no silent electric propulsion i think, that is currently the top for ASW work and is a more dated design, the advantage as you say is that has already US systems.
Fincantieri has more ship building capability including of course the Italian carriers and een one of USN LCS's -, they also make monster cruise ships which is a very competitive field for example the new Queen Elizabeth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Queen_Elizabeth
They have currently 2 frigate designs, FREMM already at sea and the new PPA that is being build. Since USN wants a version already proved, only the FREEM is offered.

A big difference from this new generation frigate is the crew necessary is reduced in half. They can go with 120 (not including heli crew).

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RE: OT: New Generation of Frigates - 6/15/2018 6:38:27 PM   
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Report to Congress on U.S. Navy Next-generation Frigate (FFG(X)) Program



April 17, 2018 7:34 AM


The following is the April 6, 2017 Congressional Research Service report, Navy Frigate (FFG(X)) Program: Background and Issues for Congress.

From the Report

The Navy in 2017 initiated a new program, called the FFG(X) program, to build a class of 20
guided-missile frigates (FFGs). The Navy wants to procure the first FFG(X) in FY2020, the
second in FY2021, and the remaining 18 at a rate of two per year in FY2022-FY2030. The
Navy’s proposed FY2019 budget requests $134.8 million in research and development funding
for the program.

Although the Navy has not yet determined the design of the FFG(X), given the capabilities that
the Navy’s wants the FFG(X) to have, the ship will likely be larger in terms of displacement,
more heavily armed, and more expensive to procure than the Navy’s Littoral Combat Ships
(LCSs). The Navy envisages developing no new technologies or systems for the FFG(X)—the
ship is to use systems and technologies that already exist or are already being developed for use
in other programs.

The Navy’s desire to procure the first FFG(X) in FY2020 does not allow enough time to develop
a completely new design (i.e., a clean-sheet design) for the FFG(X). Consequently, the Navy
intends to build the FFG(X) to a modified version of an existing ship design—an approach called
the parent-design approach. The parent design could be a U.S. ship design or a foreign ship
design. The Navy intends to conduct a full and open competition to select the builder of the
FFG(X). Consistent with U.S. law, the ship is to be built in a U.S. shipyard, even if it is based on
a foreign design.
Multiple industry teams are reportedly competing for the program. Given the
currently envisaged procurement rate of two ships per year, the Navy envisages using a single
builder to build the ships. . . .


https://news.usni.org/2018/04/17/report-congress-u-s-navy-next-generation-frigate-ffgx-program

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RE: OT: New Generation of Frigates - 6/16/2018 11:24:19 AM   
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Good looking ship!

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RE: OT: New Generation of Frigates - 6/16/2018 1:01:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: wegman58

The LCS (both models) are abject failures. Almost anything else would be better. The Spanish design already is fitted with a lot of American stuff including American VLS so standards (used by Spain already, will be on the Australian versions - fewer and less capable SAMs on the Norwegian ships).


It's become fashionable in the last 30 years or so to knock any new platform being developed by our military. I've heard nothing but catcalls about the F-22; F-35, the LCS and, going way back, the Bradley fighting vehicle ("IT'S A DEATH TRAP!!!!"). All have gone through teething pains and emerged better for the developmental maturity.

"Abject failure"? From what do you derive this point of view? "Overly ambitious"? Perhaps. "Jack of all trades, master of none?" Maybe. Abject failure? Provide your evidence.

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RE: OT: New Generation of Frigates - 6/16/2018 7:41:25 PM   
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None of the equipment you made reference about fought yet against a real opponent including the Bradley. Israelis decided to base their APC on a tank and developed anti anti tank hard kill defences. So yes in land of anti tank missiles Bradley can be a death trap. Even a tank. There is a reason M1's are getting Trophy too https://breakingdefense.com/2018/02/261-m1-tanks-getting-trophy-anti-missile-system-as-army-reorients-to-major-wars/

LCS: the cost of it for what it offers: practically no ASW except the Heli, subpar AAW, and only now putting some anti ship missiles. Shortly a corvette for the price of a medium frigate. Would some day USN find useful to have a 40kt ship to do some raiding, maybe but it could have got it much cheaper. There is also several questions regarding damage survivality with one of LCS variants with an aluminum hull.
This FFG(X) program is the result of the Navy seeing that it failed with LCS and has nothing but Burkes, SSN's and CVN's

In 2013:
https://thediplomat.com/2014/04/us-navys-lcs-is-unfit-for-the-asia-pacific/

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/12324/in-a-blow-to-lcs-the-us-navy-finally-admits-it-needs-a-real-frigate

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