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Another legend passes - 6/13/2018 3:24:30 AM   
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One of the last Navajo Code talkers, Samuel Holiday from WWII has passed. He served in the Marshalls, Marianas and at Iwo Jima.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/06/12/navajo-code-talker-samuel-holiday-dies/693943002/

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RE: Another legend passes - 6/13/2018 9:05:58 PM   
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After I learned russian, I went on a language learning spree. Mandarin, Japanese, Arabic, Mongolian, Korean and Navajo.

I never mastered any of them on a conversational level, but I did learn that Korean and Navajo were by far the hardest to master. And of these two, Navajo is just insanely hard. So many tones..

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RE: Another legend passes - 6/14/2018 1:17:23 AM   
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After I learned russian, I went on a language learning spree. Mandarin, Japanese, Arabic, Mongolian, Korean and Navajo.

I never mastered any of them on a conversational level, but I did learn that Korean and Navajo were by far the hardest to master. And of these two, Navajo is just insanely hard. So many tones..

I'm impressed! So linguistically, do additional languages get easier to learn as you apply the rules from one language to another? Things like accents and gender of nouns, placement of adjectives before or after the noun, etc.

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RE: Another legend passes - 6/14/2018 9:06:12 AM   
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After I learned russian, I went on a language learning spree. Mandarin, Japanese, Arabic, Mongolian, Korean and Navajo.

I never mastered any of them on a conversational level, but I did learn that Korean and Navajo were by far the hardest to master. And of these two, Navajo is just insanely hard. So many tones..


I've lost track of her now, but I had a friend from an internet group from Israel. I met her when she came to the US. Her natural linguistic talent was amazing. She had been born in the Crimea and emigrated to Israel when she was a child. She learned English from watching TV, it was her third language and she could speak perfect English with either a middle class London or New York accent.

She had been to London a number of times and she said she always used the American accent there because the British tended to treat her better if they thought she was an American tourist. One time she met a cousin there who had grown up in the UK and had a British accent and her cousin commented on her American accent when they met up. She said it did feel awkward so she closed her eyes for a second and switched to her London accent. Her cousin was blown away.

She was here for a weekend gathering of our internet group and we kept forgetting she wasn't American. The only time we remembered was when someone used some American slang that she didn't know.

She was taking a gap year between her mandatory military enlistment and college. When I lost track of her she was studying Mandarin and I think some other language. She did say Mandarin was toughest language to master she had ever tried to learn.

I am, unfortunately, mono-lingual. I managed to barely get by learning German in high school (most US high schools have a 2 years of a foreign language requirement, or did then). My SO is 1st generation American on her father's side (she doesn't know how long her mother's family have been here, they were basically hill folk and she doesn't have anything to do with them). Her Spanish vocabulary isn't huge because her mother had a problem with her learning other languages, but her accent is perfect. When she does try to speak Spanish the recipient is usually confused because her accent is a perfect middle class Mexican accent, but she stumbles over the words.

I grew up in a multi-ethnic neighborhood with Hispanics, Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese and never managed to pick up much of any of those languages even though I had friends who spoke other languages at home.

I am pretty decent with British slang and I liked messing with my immigrant British friend and his sister by using British slang with my American accent. It did their head in.

People who can be completely fluent in multiple languages impresses me no end.

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RE: Another legend passes - 6/14/2018 1:20:14 PM   
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People who can be completely fluent in multiple languages impresses me no end.

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I 100% agree with this sentiment. I have a friend who was raised in The Netherlands, that now lives in Germany. He is fluent in Dutch, German, French, and English. What I find so amazing is how he can switch from one to another so easily. I asked him once " what language do you THINK in?" He surprised me by saying German, because he has lived/worked in Germany for so long.

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RE: Another legend passes - 6/14/2018 6:10:20 PM   
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I am pretty decent with British slang and I liked messing with my immigrant British friend and his sister by using British slang with my American accent. It did their head in.

Bill


I too am pretty decent with British slang and have tried to promote its use by saying 'wanker', 'daft', and 'what's all this then' as often as possible in my workplace. I'll let you know how it goes.

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RE: Another legend passes - 6/14/2018 7:49:54 PM   
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'wanker', 'daft', and 'what's all this then'


I like 'bollocks' myself.

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RE: Another legend passes - 6/14/2018 8:44:13 PM   
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I like 'bollocks' myself.


That would be "ayęęzhii" in Navajo.

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RE: Another legend passes - 6/15/2018 1:22:28 AM   
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I am pretty decent with British slang and I liked messing with my immigrant British friend and his sister by using British slang with my American accent. It did their head in.

Bill


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I too am pretty decent with British slang and have tried to promote its use by saying 'wanker', 'daft', and 'what's all this then' as often as possible in my workplace. I'll let you know how it goes.


I've joked that our oven doesn't like us. It has a button labeled "CLEAR OFF". Sometimes I realize how weird I am when I come up with puns that require being fluent in both American and British slang to work. (I can't think of any at the moment.)

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RE: Another legend passes - 6/15/2018 8:23:39 AM   
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.... I asked him once " what language do you THINK in?" He surprised me by saying German, because he has lived/worked in Germany for so long.


Such thing may happen before you even know. I use to think in english, mainly during programming. (Although it's basically cursing the computer, math, logic, my brain and everything else)

Regarding pondering complex problems, I fill the words I do not know in english with words from any other language I know the word in. The resulting thoughts are a mix of english, german, italian, spanish and japanese.
Amazingly, my brain is not confused by using mixed language and I often barely notice while doing so, but a few seconds later.

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RE: Another legend passes - 6/15/2018 4:09:43 PM   
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(Although it's basically cursing the computer, math, logic, my brain and everything else)


LOL - the language all programmers know best is CURSING .

I'm German, live in France and work for a French company doing international business, so the "official language" of the company is English. Depending on the customer or colleagues I deal with, I have to switch between German, English and French all the time. After 15 years in France, it happens that I don't know a word in German but in the other languages. I even curse in French - I'm with Merovingian from Matrix Reloaded: "I love French wine, like I the French language. I have sampled every language, French is my favorite. Fantastic language. Especially to curse with. Nom de dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculé de ta mère. It's like wiping your arse with silk. I love it."

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