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RE: Update - 11/12/2018 9:18:28 PM   
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you could probably just screen off Leningrad with regiments and let them starve out over the winter. Then use all those infantry divisions you have marching to Leningrad plus the Finns to keep pushing more east until blizzard.

They will have supplies for a couple weeks yet due to all the supply stored in the Leningrad city areas...but they are all effectively doomed and worthless units to the soviets at this point. In fact letting them starve out is better for you because u can use 2 weak divisions broken down in to regiments or a division and a couple independent regiments for the Leningrad prison camp and it will then be longer until the soviets get those units back to start the agonizing process of the retraining them from like 15-25 starting EXP/Morale.




Army Group North is under direct orders to take Leningrad proper before the onset of the mud period and von Leeb is not one to disappoint.

While I get the idea of prison camps and all the benefits it brings, I'm not a fan of the tactic. I prefer cleaning up pockets as soon as possible. As for advancing further east, don't really see the point of stretching my logistics to attack the Soviets over difficult terrain without any objectives whatsoever.

Thanks for the comment however!

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T16 - 11/12/2018 9:20:54 PM   
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T16, 2nd of October-9th of October 1941.
Air situation


The VVS has launched massive airstrikes against our airfields as well as undertaken resupply operations by air for the Soviet forces trapped in Leningrad and in Tula. The resupply operations are useful at Tula but not at Leningrad. This does not come as a surprise since the city is being defended by at least 120.000 men. 2 Rifle Divisions however receive enough supplies to bolster their defenses.

Attacks against our airfields are thwarted by the Luftwaffe at disastrous cost for the Soviets. The enemy loses 500+ aircraft and has barely managed to put a dent on our the well defended airfields. Fighter groups and AA battalions have performed to the highest standards.

During the week the VVS suffers more losses as all our offensives are conducted under heavy air cover. The Soviets lose another 400 planes bringing the total of losses since last week to 900 airframes. As of now the Soviets only have 3.700 airframes in operational order.




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RE: T16 - 11/12/2018 9:50:57 PM   
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The reason to push more east is so you can slowly fall back during the blizzard, while you have forts built for a final winter line. As the soviets are slow moving through enemy hex control plus blizzard...so you can take some extra space then just retreat 1-2 hexes a turn over blizzard until you hit your fort line that has extra time to build.

As well it then pulls the soviets from their supply lines in blizzard and softens the blizzard because then the soviets cant really attack your lines for several weeks and by the time they can they are expending trucks and farther from their own rail lines.

That would be the reason.

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RE: T16 - 11/12/2018 10:28:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chaos45

The reason to push more east is so you can slowly fall back during the blizzard, while you have forts built for a final winter line. As the soviets are slow moving through enemy hex control plus blizzard...so you can take some extra space then just retreat 1-2 hexes a turn over blizzard until you hit your fort line that has extra time to build.

As well it then pulls the soviets from their supply lines in blizzard and softens the blizzard because then the soviets cant really attack your lines for several weeks and by the time they can they are expending trucks and farther from their own rail lines.

That would be the reason.


Fair point but grinding through all those Soviet troops in that god awful terrain is not something I am fond of. I will keep the advice in mind though, thanks :)

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RE: T16 - 11/12/2018 10:41:26 PM   
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AGN

The orders of AGN are clear: Leningrad must be taken before the onset of the mud period. To achieve that objective the 18th Army is tasked with clearing the approaches to the city. The cities of Pushkin and Kolpino are the objectives. Pushkin falls easily after a coordinated attack by 3 Divisons, heavily supported by artillery and air assets.

Situation at the start of the week:





Battle of Pushkin:



Kolpino however proves a tough nut to crack. The first assault by 7 German divisions supported by 1474 artillery pieces, 5 Pioneer Battalions and heavy air support gets stopped dead in their tracks by a powerful counterattack of the 70th Rifle Division coming from the outskirts of northern Leningrad. The losses suffered are stunning: 700 men lost on both sides for a total of 1.400 men. The VVS flying air support for the belaguered Soviets suffers appalling casualties: 62 planes are lost.
A second attempt to take the city is undertaken by the veteran II Corps, which receives 2 Heavy Howitzer Battalions for the task. The second assault is successful, and the Soviet defenders surrender the city. Our losses are negligible.

First Battle of Kolpino:



Second Battle of Kolpino:



Notice the major air supply effort the enemy has undertaken.

With the 2 cities in our hands, the rest of our units move forward towards Leningrad. Unfortunately only 3 divisions can mount an assault on the major urban center, a number inadequate to overcome the city defenses. It becomes clear that Leningrad will not fall this week. Nevertheless, the 3 divisions are ordered to launch an attack at the city to test Soviet defenses. As expected, the assault doesn't do much. The Soviets hold their ground and even manage to counterattack with the 35th Cavalry Division arriving from the north. We lose 625 men while the Soviets lose 317. Leningrad remains a level 5 fortress.

Probing attack on Leningrad:



Further up north, the 11th Infanty Division (I Corps) clears the Soviet defenders of Sviritsa. The rest of the Corps is ordered towards Leningrad. Together with the II Corps they have been earmarked to assault the city and break the last of the Soviet defenders.
The rest of the 4th Panzer Group are on their way to Rzhev where they will be put on lager in preparation for the offensive of Moscow. Once Leningrad has fallen, the I Corps is expected to follow in their tracks.

Intelligence has finally been able to gather precise information on the amount of Soviet units trapped inside the pocket: 10 Rifle Divisions, 1 Cavalry and 1 Tank Divisions, 5 Fortified Regions, 2 Army HQs, 5 AA Regiments (inside Leningrad), various artillery and sapper formations and one more unidentified formation located in Osinovets.

Positions at the end of the week:





Luftflotte 1 fighter groups have been ordered to be on the standby to intercept Soviet attempts to resupply the pocket.





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RE: T16 - 11/13/2018 12:09:09 AM   
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AGC

In the center the Rzhev pocket holds and the Soviets attempt to do everything in their power to harass out units by offering heavy resistance, thus complicating supply and movement. The 9th Army is ordered to crush the Soviet troops and expand the bridgehead over the Lama river. 6 of the defending Soviet divisions surrender, but not before putting up stiff resistance. 3 divisions still remain and Rzhev itself is still in enemy hands.

A notable mention of the tenacity of the Soviet defenders would be the 102nd Rifle Division which manages to hold back 6 attacks by our forces, constantly performing retreats in good order until it was finally destroyed east of the town of Lukonvikovo. At the beginning of the week the division had 9.300 men and 110 guns. At the time of its surrender it numbered 6.500 men and 52 guns. The lone division managed to tie up a considerable amount of forces that could have been used for the offensive over the Lama river and to relieve our panzers in the north, who will now have to hold the line for another week.



Rzhev pocket. In Yellow, retreat paths of the stubborn 102nd Rifle Division.

Our units enlargened the bridgehead over the Lama river and armored units drove east creating a penetration 50 miles deep, taking key bridgeheads over the MV Canal and routing or shattering various Soviet formations in the process. Crucial to the operation was the well rested and well supplied (HQ Build Up) LVII Panzer Corps who was committed at the right time. Next week, the 9th Army has been tasked with securing the corridor. This will be a vital staging point for the offensive on Moscow once the weather clears again.



Further south, the 4th Army is tasked with 2 objectives:
1) clear the pocket of Tula, to free up the LIII Corps for operations elsewhere,
2) Establish a bridgehead over the Oka, north of the smaller Moskva river.

4th Army sector at the start of the week:



For his consecutive failures to take Tula, General Karl Weisenberger is relieved of his command and Generalleutnant Walther Graessner takes command of the LIII Corps. Graessners Corps is reinforced with the 260th Infantry Division, with additional Howitzer, assault gun and pioneer battalions. Moreover, the II Fliegerkorps provides air support, taking heavy casualties while bombing the city due to intense AA fire concentration: 18 bombers are lost. The massive concentration of men and firepower breaks the Soviet defenders: 22.000 men are captured as well as around 385 guns.



Third Battle of Tula:



To complete its second objective, the 4th Army concentrates all of its forces at a single point and manages to eliminate the Soviet bridgehead over the south of the Oka. At this point the only place where an attack had even the slightest chance of success was the position defended by the lone 194th Mountain Division. After an intense bombardment by our bombers (which was quite effective, 7.000 men were disrupted) our 3 divisions, supported by artillery and pioneer battalions launched their attack across the river and to our surprise no Soviet reserves activated. At the end of the day, we had gained a bridgehead over the Oka. To secure it, the XXXIX Panzer Corps immediately ordered two of its fresh motorized divisions into the breach. Forward elements of the 18th Mot. Division even managed to catch a Soviet Tank Brigade off guard and in the ensuing attack, forced it to shatter.

The most important battle of the week:





The immediate orders of the 4th Army for next week are to secure and expand the bridgehead over the Oka. The hope of an offensive on Moscow succeeding now remains on the shoulders of the Panzergrenadiers of the 18th and 3rd Mot. Divisions defending the key bridgehead. Further south, the 2nd Army has received orders to shift its units north to cover the extended right flank of the 4th Army.



2nd Army shifting north to cover the right flank of 4th Army.

Moscow before and after German moves:






The feat that AGC has pulled this week has stunned the OKH as no one was expecting the capture of 1 bridgehead this week, let alone two. It is however a very welcomed news that has increased the overall morale and optimism. If those bridgeheads hold, Moscow will most likely be surrounded come November. But the Soviets still haven't had their say in the matter...




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RE: T16 - 11/13/2018 1:42:01 AM   
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AGS

AGS had to contend with a difficult situation this week. The Soviets managed to escape the trap laid for them and pulled most of their forces out of the position they were in. In the process, they managed to encircle the III Panzer Corps.
The plan of AGS called for the rescue of the III Panzer Corps, sealing the pocket of the remaining Soviet forces and securing a crossing over the Don river.





Infantry forces of the 11th and 17th Army, supported by the Italian Expeditionary Corps and the XVII Corps (6th Army) broke through Soviet defenses south of Voroshilovgrad, restoring communication lines with the III Panzer Corps. Due to the terrible supply situation the infantry could do nothing more than that. With the corridor firmly in place, the XXIV Panzer Corps (supported by the Cavalry Rumanian Corps) was ordered to press northeast towards the Donets, to create a buffer zone between the Soviet forces defending Rostov and those defending Voroshilovgrad. The manouver is successful and our units have managed to create a 70 mile gap between the two forces (only the 11th Cavalry Division is located between them).

Meanwhile the rest of the Infantry together with the III Panzer Corps, seal the pocket of Soviet troops. 3 Rifle and 1 Cavalry Divisions are encircled in the process, while 2 more divisions (1 Rifle and 1 Cavarly are routed). Our troops are forced to abandon their position west of Rostov. The industry of the city has not been evacuated yet. A head on assault is out of the question. The only option remains surrounding the city and judging by the poor state of Soviet defenses, the plan might just work. Northwest of Stalino the XXXXVIII Panzer Corps is on R&R preparing for offensive operations next week.The II Romanian Corps seals exit routes from the port of Taganrog, but the Soviets will most likely evacuate their forces by sea.



The 3rd Panzer Division manages to force a crossing over the Don and its forward elements also manage to secure a bridgehead over the Manych. The Division however is only a shell of itself. Its TOE is at 41% and it only has 19 operational tanks. The division will be put on R&R as soon as possible. Meanwhile the LV Corps (6th Army) has been moved to Dnepropetrovsk for R&R.





Orders for the 2nd Army to shift its forces north affect the 6th Army which is ordered to take their place and also shift its forces to the north. The XXIX Corps clears Soviet defenders in front of Voronezh. The Soviets have reinforced the city so a direct assault is out of the question. Voronezh remains a primary objective for AGS however.

Voronezh sector before and after Axis moves:





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RE: T16 - 11/13/2018 2:06:27 AM   
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The Crimea

Due to logistical problems the Romanian 35th Reserve Infantry Division pulls out of their positions in the Crimean Mountains. The I. and V. Romanian Corps have arrived in the theater and should take their positions next week.The 132nd Infantry Division is transferred to the Manay sector preparing for the offensive there. After taking into consideration the supply situation General von Salmuth has ordered for the attack to be postponed by 1 week.

To confuse the Soviets about the real target of our offensive, the Romanian Air Force bombs Soviet units defending north of Sevastopol.






Bombed Soviet units circled in black.

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RE: T16 - 11/13/2018 2:12:04 AM   
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Ground losses:

A overall succesful turn with normal casualties on our side. The Soviets lose around 120k men of which 100k are captured men. Around 2000 guns are also captured or destroyed. For air losses see the first post of T16.




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