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Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/14/2018 4:32:31 PM   
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That is, does a unit cost a number of manpower points equal to the number of men in the unit per the TO&E - e.g., a USSR Rifle Squad 41 costs 11 manpower points while a 152mm Howitzer costs 8?

Probably a stupid question but since the two names are slightly different maybe there's a functional difference?
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RE: Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/14/2018 9:41:56 PM   
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AFAIK manpower equals men. In the example above you need to have at least 11 men to be able to form a Soviet Rifle Squad and 8 to form a 152 mm Howitzer Element. The number of men also needs to be matched up with the required ARM points in order to form the element.

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RE: Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/15/2018 2:17:34 AM   
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I always understood that manpower = men and women.

Terminology in the game is sexist.

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RE: Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/15/2018 3:36:34 AM   
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quote:

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I always understood that manpower = men and women.

Terminology in the game is sexist.

Especially in-apt in the case of the USSR.

Battle for Sevastopol trailer

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RE: Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/15/2018 8:39:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

Especially in-apt in the case of the USSR.

Battle for Sevastopol trailer


...or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v8v1GUjwLc
...or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr-Zz5HbO7Q

:)

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RE: Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/16/2018 11:20:02 PM   
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Well, the extreme majority of the people who fought this war and in all wars before it, were men. It isn't sexist if it is a fact. Unless maybe it's a sexist fact?

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RE: Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/17/2018 5:42:50 AM   
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No, just pointing out that the English word is gendered. As you point out, the activity is gendered, too. Nonetheless, anywhere from one to ten percent of the active duty personnel of the various combatant countries in the Second World War were women. The USSR, despite what you might think from the movies, was about in the middle of the range at a little over 3%, though women there did fill a wider range of roles than in most armies (snipers and combat pilots, famously, as well as the more common AAA gunners, clerks, and medical personnel).

The US military enrolled about 350,000 women out of a total in all services of about 10 million. The photo is of my mother, Anne Mills (King), Private, US Army Air Corps (15th Air Force Ordnance Department) 1943-1944.




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RE: Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/17/2018 9:59:43 AM   
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Too be honest I think the game needs more 'color' so rather than manpower and men consider Personnel, Soldiers, fascists, bolshies, comrades, Ivans etc.

I asked in 'another place' if they would consider a change but 'Lots of pain for no gain' was the answer. Not sure what Germaine would say about that.

Still one thing the word 'men' has going for it is its length of only 3 characters.

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RE: Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/17/2018 12:07:24 PM   
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No, just pointing out that the English word is gendered.


Just to defend the English language a little bit, the word has two meanings - "men" (gendered) and it also means "men and women" (not gendered).

Open to ambiguity, misinterpretation or abuse of course yes. Does using the word "men" for both meanings subconsciously imply one is superior, perhaps. Care and consideration might say use other non gendered terms like people. But not strictly the fault of the language?

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RE: Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/19/2018 6:25:02 AM   
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Well...if wanting to be "politically correct", just use "soldiers" or "service personnel" etc.

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RE: Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/19/2018 4:52:28 PM   
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Try doing non-gendered language in French. Everybody will laugh at you.

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RE: Does "manpower" equal "men"? - 5/19/2018 10:28:12 PM   
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Funny, when in France my French would usually provoke only a sneer.

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