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Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 5/10/2018 2:54:55 AM   
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StartIng a new GW game and I was able to set up an Indian infantry corps in Rabaul- I thought CW units couldn’t set up in the pacific bases during set up (until commonwealth reinforces pacific is in play)?
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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 5/10/2018 3:12:14 AM   
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They can't. This is a bug.

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 5/10/2018 4:17:13 AM   
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Ah - I thought that might be the case. Argh - I don’t want to redo the CW set-up!

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 5/10/2018 5:21:19 PM   
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They can't. This is a bug.

Not according to the FAQ - Q13.3-11. Q1: Does "setting up" count as "enter?" A1: No. And that question specifically references the rule about option 36 as part of its "background" rules quotations.

I suspect though that this had more to do with confusion over setting up Dutch and NEI units in NEI and this was an unintended consequence.

Players may want to agree ahead of starting a game as to how to handle this. Also RAW8 specifies no set-up in Rabaul, so Harry likely made the FAQ ruling based on what RAW7 said versus what he originally intended. Although the end result in several cases was heavily debated on the forums after the fact, he tended to answer the FAQ questions this way, rather than be perceived as making blatant rules changes.

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Ah - I thought that might be the case. Argh - I don’t want to redo the CW set-up!

About the set-up redo, if you get the game into a land movement phase and save, zip and post it, I can relocate that one unit for you.

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 5/12/2018 2:04:02 AM   
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Thanks Paul - since I’m still learning I may just play this out as a “what if...” or I could try to move the unit back to Singapore or something . The loss of Rabaul would be a blow to Japan (unless of course they could capture it) but would be interesting to know how much this would change the course of the war in the Pacific... as Japan seems to always get Rabaul...

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 5/12/2018 2:14:48 AM   
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I think (without looking) the Indian is a black print unit so once ground struck and OoS it should be brushed aside quite easily - but does require a significant commitment of Japanese forces compared with one Div and an SCS.

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 5/12/2018 2:39:10 PM   
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Yes - turns out I can move a transport there too so I could also just quietly evacuate the Indian INF unit to Singapore or somewhere before the inevitable DOW...

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 5/19/2018 7:34:16 PM   
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Always helps to actually read the rules- 13.3.2 RAC clearly states that units can set up in and reinforce these areas (applies to Guam and Philippines too)- units can’t move there until the correct option is played. So the Indian 3rd Infantry didn’t violate any rule and it’s not a big!

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 5/19/2018 8:11:42 PM   
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... not a bug...

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 6/28/2018 7:35:39 PM   
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So in my current set up for global game..(game is current patch) I realized I could break up an indian corp in game setup and put a division in singapore..I never noticed or realized this before. I think if I am reading the comments above that this is just fine? Am I correct?

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 6/28/2018 11:40:55 PM   
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Partly. You can set-up in Singapore legally, and the game let's you set-up in Rabaul, but that's a bug that is easily gotten around via self-enforcement.

However, although you can break down a corps on set-up, you are not supposed to put the resulting two Divs in different hexes - perhaps another one that needs self-enforcement?

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 6/29/2018 2:54:03 AM   
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Thank you I appreciate the information. I can self enforce.

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 6/29/2018 3:13:26 AM   
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I have no self restraint ... I think allowing a CW setup in Rabaul is ok. It makes sense in that Rabaul was and is clearly a hugely important port. In terms of of VPs in the context of average bid scores the Allies have their work cut out for them... they need all the help they can get...

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 6/29/2018 3:16:07 AM   
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Is it a bug? The RAC clearly allow such setups .. I realize RAW in most recent iteration doesn’t allow it it seems ..?

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 6/29/2018 4:27:13 AM   
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Where in the RAC is that?

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 7/6/2018 12:47:48 AM   
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I’m sure I read it ... honest.... I’ll look it up....

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 7/6/2018 8:42:01 AM   
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As far as I know, RAC has never allowed CW to set up the Indian INF in Rabaul.

And that divisions, that has been broken down into during setup, can be moved is a serious bug that needs to be fixed. Or at least 'enforced' in multiplayer games.

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 7/7/2018 2:28:39 AM   
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Ok so under 13.3 RAC (page 94 in the book) it says in reference to option 36 CW Reinforces Pacific “... Allied units can set up in and reinforce these areas. Units in these areas are free to move within the minor country or territory..”

Entry actions 40, 41, and 43 also says you can’t MOVE into these areas until the entry option is enacted...

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 7/7/2018 2:32:55 AM   
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... and I like it!. It adds a dimension the pacific arena - it is much easier for japan to take Rabaul than the other way around as already noted plus the CW is spread very thin so CW needs to allocate units carefully- reinforcing RAbaul could put, say, Singapore at risk....

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 7/7/2018 5:30:58 AM   
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See post #4. In CE (RAW8) you can't do it. If playing MWiF, I (personally) would not agree to allow set-up there, regardless of the side I am playing.

IMO Japan has it tough enough as it is.

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 7/7/2018 3:28:28 PM   
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Thanks - yes RAW8 disallows it - in MWIF the above is listed as a “clarification” I recall which i believe is defined in RAC as a departure from RAW as they existed at the time...

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 9/22/2018 5:52:56 PM   
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Yeah ... so... with the allies having control of Rabaul and Singapore from the start, Japan is having a really rough time- either because of this or I’m
Playing the US fleet better. The allies have used Singapore more as well to knock out Japanese access to oil. In any event, Japan is going down the tubes fast unlike previous games.

Also : a funny thing happened in Singapore- suddenly mid turn the sizeable US fleet went out of supply whereas the CW fleet was unaffected. I thought huhh, they can share supply so what gives. Then it dawned on me (I say that allot)- by coincidence at that moment the supply link to the US was broken a half the way around the world. And the Allies were sloppy about keeping a supply link around the Cape and/ or around the south of Australia as a backup to losing supply in the Mediterranean or the South China Sea. Of course the CW can use Australia or India to supply CW units but the US has to get back to America...

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 9/22/2018 9:43:50 PM   
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Also : a funny thing happened in Singapore- suddenly mid turn the sizeable US fleet went out of supply whereas the CW fleet was unaffected. I thought huhh, they can share supply so what gives. Then it dawned on me (I say that allot)- by coincidence at that moment the supply link to the US was broken a half the way around the world. And the Allies were sloppy about keeping a supply link around the Cape and/ or around the south of Australia as a backup to losing supply in the Mediterranean or the South China Sea. Of course the CW can use Australia or India to supply CW units but the US has to get back to America...

No, still very odd. What you say is true for RAW8 but not RAW7 and MWiF is RAW7 (with an exception in Vichyfication, but not in supply).



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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 9/23/2018 11:33:28 AM   
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Also : a funny thing happened in Singapore- suddenly mid turn the sizeable US fleet went out of supply whereas the CW fleet was unaffected. I thought huhh, they can share supply so what gives. Then it dawned on me (I say that allot)- by coincidence at that moment the supply link to the US was broken a half the way around the world. And the Allies were sloppy about keeping a supply link around the Cape and/ or around the south of Australia as a backup to losing supply in the Mediterranean or the South China Sea. Of course the CW can use Australia or India to supply CW units but the US has to get back to America...

No, still very odd. What you say is true for RAW8 but not RAW7 and MWiF is RAW7 (with an exception in Vichyfication, but not in supply).




The US fleet should be in supply because they cooperate with the Commonwealth. And that means that all CW home country cities are a primary supply source for the US. I think we'll need a gamesave for this one so it can be investigated.

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 9/23/2018 2:04:36 PM   
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Did it happen mid-turn or end of turn? USA ships in Singappre would have to trace a supply line back to USA controlled oil somewhere to re-organize., but could trace to a city in any of the CW Home Countries to be in supply during a turn.

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 9/23/2018 7:13:14 PM   
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Did it happen mid-turn or end of turn? USA ships in Singappre would have to trace a supply line back to USA controlled oil somewhere to re-organize., but could trace to a city in any of the CW Home Countries to be in supply during a turn.


The US and the CW cooperate, so if enough oil is available in India the US should be able to reorganise the fleet using CW oil...

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 9/24/2018 1:24:51 AM   
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Did it happen mid-turn or end of turn? USA ships in Singappre would have to trace a supply line back to USA controlled oil somewhere to re-organize., but could trace to a city in any of the CW Home Countries to be in supply during a turn.


The US and the CW cooperate, so if enough oil is available in India the US should be able to reorganise the fleet using CW oil...


Then that would be one of those RAC deviations in MWiF that I can never keep straight.

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 9/27/2018 1:58:52 AM   
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Ok weirder than I thought - so happened mid turn. Allies lost supply in eastern Mediterranean due to a successful Italian fleet foray. The allied supply in South China Sea aborted. There was supply in the Indian Ocean and in sea areas to the east, but not in the sea area south of Indonesia ( forgot its name). Supply did not go around the cape - so effectively us fleet was cutoff from America. There was supply to India and Australia otherwise. So the thing was that the us fleet went out of supply in total, but no CW ship. To address this allies moved the queens post haste into the eastern Mediterranean and the supply problem was solved as there was then a path from Singapore back to the US. I think that’s what happened.

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 10/15/2018 2:04:11 PM   
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I think (without looking) the Indian is a black print unit so once ground struck and OoS it should be brushed aside quite easily - but does require a significant commitment of Japanese forces compared with one Div and an SCS.


Ah well as JP ground striking and flipping a unit far out in the south pacific ocean is a difficult job - JP's strength is not exactly tactical factors on their planes. :)

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RE: Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul? - 10/16/2018 6:45:57 PM   
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I think (without looking) the Indian is a black print unit so once ground struck and OoS it should be brushed aside quite easily - but does require a significant commitment of Japanese forces compared with one Div and an SCS.


Ah well as JP ground striking and flipping a unit far out in the south pacific ocean is a difficult job - JP's strength is not exactly tactical factors on their planes. :)


You said it.

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