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RE: Meridian to Majestic: Lokasenna (J) vs obvert (A) (... - 5/14/2018 6:57:20 PM   
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A beginning ...

... this is the first air strike in this game on the Home Islands since Bullwinkle's early moves in 42. It doesn't do much, really, but it gains some strat bombing VPs and sets a tone, hopefully. I will strike at anything useful to Japan's economy, at any time, from anywhere I can reach it.



Where was this launched from? I despaired of ever getting close enough to do what you just did. Well done.

Good job (below) on Pbang. I tried, but never could get past the fighters.

Jolo, when I left it, was a backwater, but too much already invested to just withdraw. He has a lot there, but also a lot to lose. Eventually. At the end of my time I was constantly facing the decision to go in regardless, or waste the prep time I'd already paid. I think I got into some infinite loops. One of the hardest things to do as the Allies is leave a solid base in your back-areas. But against a player like Lokasenna there aren't any easy ones either.


This was launched from Mindanao. The new B-29-25s can reach, barely. It wasn't a full load strike, just a little touch to say it was possible, and that was literally the only base they could reach.Still, it might help, and make him think twice about playing everything forward. I'd like to see fighters having to garrison the HI from now on.

At night the Palembang strikes seem to be working, just slowly. It's not a 2-3 day strike. More like 15-20 days of picking at it. Luckily with the position you reached and the equipment now available, it works to keep up a steady string of attacks, with rest for some groups in between.

Did either of you use night strikes against airfields much? As yo know I think at night the 4Es are a tad strong, so I usually limit myself to 50 planes per target. Even so, it's going to be hard to stop if I really go all out, and it'll soften the fighters for the eventual day sweeps.

I'll move around Jolo and keep pressure on so it'll be hard to let it go completely. If I see a weakening I'll just hit with everything. He seems to have good forts everywhere though. Your preps are really comprehensive, and certainly allow me some options coming into the game. I'm going to go for some and see how other things play out, then decide on keeping or changing the big IDs, etc. I'll get a map up soon and talk about ideas for next steps.


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RE: Meridian to Majestic: Lokasenna (J) vs obvert (A) (... - 5/14/2018 9:05:24 PM   
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Woah @ Truk invasion. I had no idea it can be so damaging! Thanks for the reports!

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RE: Meridian to Majestic: Lokasenna (J) vs obvert (A) (... - 5/14/2018 9:20:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

A beginning ...

... this is the first air strike in this game on the Home Islands since Bullwinkle's early moves in 42. It doesn't do much, really, but it gains some strat bombing VPs and sets a tone, hopefully. I will strike at anything useful to Japan's economy, at any time, from anywhere I can reach it.



Where was this launched from? I despaired of ever getting close enough to do what you just did. Well done.

Good job (below) on Pbang. I tried, but never could get past the fighters.

Jolo, when I left it, was a backwater, but too much already invested to just withdraw. He has a lot there, but also a lot to lose. Eventually. At the end of my time I was constantly facing the decision to go in regardless, or waste the prep time I'd already paid. I think I got into some infinite loops. One of the hardest things to do as the Allies is leave a solid base in your back-areas. But against a player like Lokasenna there aren't any easy ones either.


This was launched from Mindanao. The new B-29-25s can reach, barely. It wasn't a full load strike, just a little touch to say it was possible, and that was literally the only base they could reach.Still, it might help, and make him think twice about playing everything forward. I'd like to see fighters having to garrison the HI from now on.

At night the Palembang strikes seem to be working, just slowly. It's not a 2-3 day strike. More like 15-20 days of picking at it. Luckily with the position you reached and the equipment now available, it works to keep up a steady string of attacks, with rest for some groups in between.

Did either of you use night strikes against airfields much? As yo know I think at night the 4Es are a tad strong, so I usually limit myself to 50 planes per target. Even so, it's going to be hard to stop if I really go all out, and it'll soften the fighters for the eventual day sweeps.

I'll move around Jolo and keep pressure on so it'll be hard to let it go completely. If I see a weakening I'll just hit with everything. He seems to have good forts everywhere though. Your preps are really comprehensive, and certainly allow me some options coming into the game. I'm going to go for some and see how other things play out, then decide on keeping or changing the big IDs, etc. I'll get a map up soon and talk about ideas for next steps.



I night-bombed very heavily the whole game, especially in Burma and China, as Allied fighters are mostly pretty short-legged until late. But I bombed for economic damage and to try to burn up supply more than to take out planes. Everything I read in Japan AARs said supply, and not HI or even fuel, was the critical shortage in 1945, so everything I did, from bombing to bombarding, was focused on trying to eat his supply stocks. The few times I was able to hurt his AFs pretty badly (Balikpapan is one I recall) I got in with a naval bombardment on a non-rail base, crippled a bunch of SR 2 or 3 planes, then tried to clean up and finish destroying from the air. There was more than one time he had 500-600 fighters at a single base (Guam, Batavia) so there were 100 or more detailed to night CAP. But as you're finding, a lot were day fighters with great pilots.

He believes in high forts as mush as possible, yes, as it's a very good ROI on the supplies. They spread across every unit equally.

I read that you intend to skip Manila, and if you can stand to not have the yard I would agree given the date. I think he learned from another game--maybe his with mind-messing?--that Manila with Forts 9 can be almost as big a hurdle as Chungking with Forts 9. A massive undertaking for the Allies. Manila is great to have, but you can live without it if you can do Formosa or coastal China. Then Hong Kong is useful, but check the yard there. I think I took out a big chunk of it. He might have fixed it, but OTOH I was never able to damage very many ships, so he didn't really need it.

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RE: Meridian to Majestic: Lokasenna (J) vs obvert (A) (... - 5/14/2018 9:49:36 PM   
obvert


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

A beginning ...

... this is the first air strike in this game on the Home Islands since Bullwinkle's early moves in 42. It doesn't do much, really, but it gains some strat bombing VPs and sets a tone, hopefully. I will strike at anything useful to Japan's economy, at any time, from anywhere I can reach it.



Where was this launched from? I despaired of ever getting close enough to do what you just did. Well done.

Good job (below) on Pbang. I tried, but never could get past the fighters.

Jolo, when I left it, was a backwater, but too much already invested to just withdraw. He has a lot there, but also a lot to lose. Eventually. At the end of my time I was constantly facing the decision to go in regardless, or waste the prep time I'd already paid. I think I got into some infinite loops. One of the hardest things to do as the Allies is leave a solid base in your back-areas. But against a player like Lokasenna there aren't any easy ones either.


This was launched from Mindanao. The new B-29-25s can reach, barely. It wasn't a full load strike, just a little touch to say it was possible, and that was literally the only base they could reach.Still, it might help, and make him think twice about playing everything forward. I'd like to see fighters having to garrison the HI from now on.

At night the Palembang strikes seem to be working, just slowly. It's not a 2-3 day strike. More like 15-20 days of picking at it. Luckily with the position you reached and the equipment now available, it works to keep up a steady string of attacks, with rest for some groups in between.

Did either of you use night strikes against airfields much? As yo know I think at night the 4Es are a tad strong, so I usually limit myself to 50 planes per target. Even so, it's going to be hard to stop if I really go all out, and it'll soften the fighters for the eventual day sweeps.

I'll move around Jolo and keep pressure on so it'll be hard to let it go completely. If I see a weakening I'll just hit with everything. He seems to have good forts everywhere though. Your preps are really comprehensive, and certainly allow me some options coming into the game. I'm going to go for some and see how other things play out, then decide on keeping or changing the big IDs, etc. I'll get a map up soon and talk about ideas for next steps.



I night-bombed very heavily the whole game, especially in Burma and China, as Allied fighters are mostly pretty short-legged until late. But I bombed for economic damage and to try to burn up supply more than to take out planes. Everything I read in Japan AARs said supply, and not HI or even fuel, was the critical shortage in 1945, so everything I did, from bombing to bombarding, was focused on trying to eat his supply stocks. The few times I was able to hurt his AFs pretty badly (Balikpapan is one I recall) I got in with a naval bombardment on a non-rail base, crippled a bunch of SR 2 or 3 planes, then tried to clean up and finish destroying from the air. There was more than one time he had 500-600 fighters at a single base (Guam, Batavia) so there were 100 or more detailed to night CAP. But as you're finding, a lot were day fighters with great pilots.

He believes in high forts as mush as possible, yes, as it's a very good ROI on the supplies. They spread across every unit equally.

I read that you intend to skip Manila, and if you can stand to not have the yard I would agree given the date. I think he learned from another game--maybe his with mind-messing?--that Manila with Forts 9 can be almost as big a hurdle as Chungking with Forts 9. A massive undertaking for the Allies. Manila is great to have, but you can live without it if you can do Formosa or coastal China. Then Hong Kong is useful, but check the yard there. I think I took out a big chunk of it. He might have fixed it, but OTOH I was never able to damage very many ships, so he didn't really need it.


I see your efforts against supply production all over the map. Lots of HI/LI damaged and I'll just keep on going with that. I'll keep pecking away with the night bombing too. At this point I have to conserve the fighters a bit, and the Frank Ki-84r and Ki-83 are tough. Need the P-47N to work on those directly.

I see some opportunities in the PI where he has recognised that clear terrain isn't friendly. It can be for the Allies though, and I'll see what I can achieve there. A plan is forming, but i've got to get the pieces in place and see if I can track the KB a bit after the recent sub strike.

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RE: Meridian to Majestic: Lokasenna (J) vs obvert (A) (... - 5/15/2018 1:12:52 PM   
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Dec 7, 1944


Every day now there are a few sub actions against Japanese shipping. It feels good to be getting them into the ASW air net and out again without too much damage. A few that I've left on a short patrol area have been hit hard within a day or two, so I'm moving them in and out more quickly. It's hard to manage subs at this stage when Japanese air and sea ASW is so effective, but it's a constant nuisance for him too, and I hope to out click him here with meticulous daily changes.

Today the Piper almost comes up big again as well. Got Hiryu in the sights but missed with 6 fish. They'll keep at it tomorrow.

Big strikes went in at Bangkok, which took out a good portion of the LI, and at Palembang. I also sent in some airfield strikes to Palembang at night which wiped out some NF on the ground, which was surprising. The oil took a real hit, with about 40 strikes on the night.

I tried DAs at Cagayan and Jolo. Both went okay, getting about even disablements, and at Cagayan the forts went down to 3. That will be significant soon awn the AV will almost double and some of the massive arty units will walk in during the next few turns. The next attack could be decisive.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 7, 1944
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Sub attack near Daito Shoto at 98,80

Japanese Ships
xAP Teifu Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
PB Magan Maru

Allied Ships
SS Piper

Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SS Piper launches 4 torpedoes at xAP Teifu Maru
Piper diving deep ....

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Night Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Oil hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 9

No Allied losses

Oil hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Mitchell II bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Night Air attack on Bangkok , at 56,62

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 12
Ki-100-I Tony x 25

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Light Industry hits 27


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Kunming , at 69,48

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Light Industry hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Palembang , at 48,91

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed on ground
J1N1-Sa Irving: 3 destroyed on ground


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Daito Shoto at 98,81

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu
BB Hyuga
CL Oyodo
CS Nisshin
DD Yaegumo
DD Urazuki
DD Shimozuki
DD Jinyu
DD Toyohi
DD Tonshin
DD Tenshin

Allied Ships
SS Piper

SS Piper launches 6 torpedoes at CV Hiryu

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Sub attack near Balabac at 69,83

Japanese Ships
xAKL Yoshinogawa Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
PB Sozan Maru

Allied Ships
SS Hammerhead

SS Hammerhead launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Yoshinogawa Maru
Hammerhead diving deep ....

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Ground combat at Cagayan (79,89)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 45788 troops, 619 guns, 1576 vehicles, Assault Value = 1966

Defending force 46738 troops, 402 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 1449

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 1060

Japanese adjusted defense: 2709

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2969 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 237 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 40 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 30 (1 destroyed, 29 disabled)
Vehicles lost 12 (4 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1390 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 140 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled
Guns lost 29 (6 destroyed, 23 disabled)
Vehicles lost 132 (6 destroyed, 126 disabled)


Assaulting units:
194th Tank Battalion
5th Australian Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
1st Regiment
2nd Marine Division
2/4th Armoured Regiment
5th Marine Division
4th USMC Tank Battalion
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
763rd Tank Battalion
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn
209th Field Artillery Battalion
181st Field Artillery Regiment
I Australian Corps
249th Field Artillery Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
1st RAA Jungle Regiment

Defending units:
10th Ind.Mixed Regiment
84th Infantry Brigade
6th South Seas Det.
10th Ind.Infantry Brigade
12th Ind.Mixed Regiment
83rd Infantry Brigade
3rd Guards Division
1st Sasebo SNLF Coy
50th Ind.Mixed Brigade
36th Ind.Mixed Brigade
14th Div /1
52nd Const Co
41st Ind. Engineer Regiment
7th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
45th JNAF AF Unit
50th JNAF AF Unit
37th JNAF AF Unit
46th Const Co
21th JNAF AF Unit
34th Road Const Co
4th Air Div /1
131st Naval Const Bn /1

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Ground combat at Jolo (74,90)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5752 troops, 102 guns, 172 vehicles, Assault Value = 238

Defending force 10159 troops, 63 guns, 45 vehicles, Assault Value = 260

Allied adjusted assault: 69

Japanese adjusted defense: 503

Allied assault odds: 1 to 7 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
350 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
431 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 45 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
111th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
3rd USMC Tank Battalion
2nd Marine Defense Battalion

Defending units:
66th Ind.Mixed Brigade
37th Ind.Mixed Brigade
46th Naval Guard Unit
97th JAAF AF Bn /1
13th Field AF Construction Battalion
79th JAAF AF Bn /1
24th Field AF Const Bn /1
6th Naval Const Bn /1
23rd Field AF Const Bn /1
18th Field AF Const Bn /1

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Not too far from the shot on Akagi, so they'll zero in on possible paths (I think heading back to the HI) and see if we can't get lucky.




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