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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/26/2018 12:19:02 AM   
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Brian has forced my guys down into just a few hexes and threatens to destroy all of
them. I got one more boat-load out of Messina, probably the last boat load leaving
the island. It's almost over with.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/26/2018 1:38:45 PM   
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Brian did one attack and gained a hex and now he's adjacent to the port. I have
just 7 more Italian units left on the island, 4 of them in the port hex itself.
Brian must be having supply difficulties for just one attack per turn.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/26/2018 4:51:43 PM   
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Larry,

It must feel great getting so many of your units off Sicily.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/27/2018 12:01:58 AM   
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Larry,

It must feel great getting so many of your units off Sicily.

It feels pretty good. I don't understand why Brian made just one attack per turn there at the last. Must have
been supply troubles.

I've stopped up the likely ports and moved the aircraft around and I think I'm ready for the next phase of the
game.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/27/2018 12:36:19 AM   
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I hear some more movement noises and I assume that Brian is getting his biggest units
parked on the port and he's moved some plans too close to the mainland within range
of some of my arty tubes and I'm going to do an airfield strike to try to get some
of them on the ground.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/27/2018 12:39:20 AM   
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Here's the results of the airfield strikes. Lots of losses for the Americans.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/27/2018 1:28:56 AM   
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Brian floated something over to the nearest port to Messina and found it occupied and
backed away. Nothing else happened the entire turn.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/27/2018 1:04:26 PM   
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I heard some heavy armor moving near Messina but other than that nothing happened.
I used the turn to put some of the division pieces back together. And I moved some
troops around to make sure all the ports are covered. I think I'm ready for his
assault.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/27/2018 4:23:57 PM   
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Minor moving noises and not much else. I had nothing to do so I just ended the turn.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/28/2018 6:38:21 AM   
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Brian surprised me by landing on the east coast where the Italian defenders were
east to destroy and now he'a ashore. I'm going to rail some people in there to see
if I can't contain this a little bit. He's landed paratroops there too so I'll have
to be on the lookout for airdrops from now on.

EDIT: Yeah the annotation says west coast but I meant the east coast obviously.



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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/28/2018 7:08:09 AM   
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Brian surprised me by landing on the east coast where the Italian defenders were
east to destroy and now he'a ashore. I'm going to rail some people in there to see
if I can't contain this a little bit. He's landed paratroops there too so I'll have
to be on the lookout for airdrops from now on.

EDIT: Yeah the annotation says west coast but I meant the east coast obviously.





Ouch !!

I feel guilty now as when you showed your SE coastal set up I was wondering how well some of the ports between there and Salerno and there and Foggia were covered but forgot to ask you !

It's the classic dilemma that the Normandy defenders had....a forward defence or not....Also how have you set your air assets? Combat support? Naval interdiction or land interdiction? It's something I have been mulling over in my game where Messina is due to fall this turn. You managed a week longer than I did holding Sicily as I pulled out most German units slightly earlier.

I am using some of the light flak units to hold bridge crossings in the interior as well so they can blow bridges as soon as necessary...para drops may thwart that idea though.....choices choices :-)

Nice work hitting his air with your artillery by the way :-)


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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 3:36:16 PM   
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Brian is expanding his bridgehead and his footprint is increasing but I've railed in
some SS troops to get started on the cleanup.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 3:36:50 PM   
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Brian surprised me by landing on the east coast where the Italian defenders were
east to destroy and now he'a ashore. I'm going to rail some people in there to see
if I can't contain this a little bit. He's landed paratroops there too so I'll have
to be on the lookout for airdrops from now on.

EDIT: Yeah the annotation says west coast but I meant the east coast obviously.





Ouch !!

I feel guilty now as when you showed your SE coastal set up I was wondering how well some of the ports between there and Salerno and there and Foggia were covered but forgot to ask you !

It's the classic dilemma that the Normandy defenders had....a forward defence or not....Also how have you set your air assets? Combat support? Naval interdiction or land interdiction? It's something I have been mulling over in my game where Messina is due to fall this turn. You managed a week longer than I did holding Sicily as I pulled out most German units slightly earlier.

I am using some of the light flak units to hold bridge crossings in the interior as well so they can blow bridges as soon as necessary...para drops may thwart that idea though.....choices choices :-)

Nice work hitting his air with your artillery by the way :-)




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 3:45:36 PM   
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Brian surprised me by landing on the east coast where the Italian defenders were
east to destroy and now he'a ashore. I'm going to rail some people in there to see
if I can't contain this a little bit. He's landed paratroops there too so I'll have
to be on the lookout for airdrops from now on.

Ouch !!

I feel guilty now as when you showed your SE coastal set up I was wondering how well some of the ports between there and Salerno and there and Foggia were covered but forgot to ask you !

I've garrisoned all the ports but some of the defenders aren't all that strong. Brian didn't have
any trouble getting ashore or instance.

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It's the classic dilemma that the Normandy defenders had....a forward defence or not....Also how have you set your air assets? Combat support? Naval interdiction or land interdiction? It's something I have been mulling over in my game where Messina is due to fall this turn. You managed a week longer than I did holding Sicily as I pulled out most German units slightly earlier.

And about the air assets: I have the fighters on AS and about half the bombers on Sea Int and the
rest are on CS. I've got some Stuka's on Sea Int because of their anti-ship value.

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I am using some of the light flak units to hold bridge crossings in the interior as well so they can blow bridges as soon as necessary...para drops may thwart that idea though.....choices choices :-)

That's a good idea. I'll have to do something like that too.

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Nice work hitting his air with your artillery by the way :-)

I killed 15 destroyed, and 44 disabled. He moved his planes real quick.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 7:13:37 PM   
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Brian has expanded to the west coast and has gained a port. That spells trouble and
I have no good response. With the port on the west coast he can sail even more troops
to the mainland and cause trouble.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 7:44:56 PM   
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Here's what I'm doing with my aircraft. I've got several planes on Sea Int for all
the good it will do. And I've got a lot of fighters on AS and I'm wondering if I should
put some of them on INT.

I can see what's goimg to happen next turn. Brian is going to float a bunch of troops to
the ports he has on the west coast and the war will be on.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 7:46:44 PM   
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Hmm....there is the additional issue of the troops stuck in the far South west on the wrong side of the invasion.

I am wondering if a very light defence of the SW channelling any invasion there may be better and to beef up Ports further North. This is of course both with the aid of hindsight given Brian's chosen target port and speculative as having to fight on 2 fronts may give the Allies more problems initially.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 7:50:22 PM   
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I notice you have all your planes still on 157 or 123 hex ranges for sea interdiction. Does this not make them cast their net too wide and reduce their chances of interdicting? I am experimenting with putting my sea interdiction squadrons close to the likely invasion beaches with very tight ranges...maybe 30 hexes or so in the hope the hit rate is better..........do you think that is worthwhile?



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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 7:54:01 PM   
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Taranto has enough airfields to park 9 planes and it' got good supply and I need to
protect it anyway, so I've been flying planes to Taranto to rest and refit. So far
all of the slots are filled. The air war has been hot from the start. I'll show
you some losses so far.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 7:59:33 PM   
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Hmm....there is the additional issue of the troops stuck in the far South west on the wrong side of the invasion.

I am wondering if a very light defence of the SW channelling any invasion there may be better and to beef up Ports further North. This is of course both with the aid of hindsight given Brian's chosen target port and speculative as having to fight on 2 fronts may give the Allies more problems initially.

Brian is landing on the west coast pretty close to Messina. He's obviously hoping his air power can
influence the landings and that's a done deal now. I need to move those people to better positions
and get them into the war. Good catch.


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I notice you have all your planes still on 157 or 123 hex ranges for sea interdiction. Does this not make them cast their net too wide and reduce their chances of interdicting? I am experimenting with putting my sea interdiction squadrons close to the likely invasion beaches with very tight ranges...maybe 30 hexes or so in the hope the hit rate is better..........do you think that is worthwhile?

That's a really good idea and I'm glad you said something about it. I need to adjust the ranges of
all my aircraft now because your theory about coverage and probability is good. I'm greatful to
you for your wonderful insights. I'll give Brian a better game now.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 8:07:55 PM   
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No worries Larry...I am really enjoying your AAR. Please bear in mind I am a TOAW novice so the suggestions are purely that. You have way more expertise than me with the game mechanics.

In my game v Warspite I am just about waiting for the invasion so it will be interesting to see where he goes for and how well my defences cope.

Axis forces are very thin on the ground so its all about damage limitation I guess.



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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 8:08:08 PM   
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Brian tried an assault at Reggio and one unit got ashore but the rest are still on
their transports except one so I need a ship really badly right now. As it is I'm
going to sacrifice a lot of bombers to lengthen the war a bit. Three-dot attacks
by everything that will fly ought to be the ticket. There's a lot of good equipment
in that stack and it's all got to go.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 8:11:01 PM   
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No worries Larry...I am really enjoying your AAR. Please bear in mind I am a TOAW novice so the suggestions are purely that. You have way more expertise than me with the game mechanics.

In my game v Warspite I am just about waiting for the invasion so it will be interesting to see where he goes for and how well my defences cope.

Axis forces are very thin on the ground so its all about damage limitation I guess.

You claim to be a novice but your instincts are right. You've got skills you're showing and I'm
impressed. I'm keeping up with your AAR by the way. Good show.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 8:24:11 PM   
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There's a fair bit of micromanagement involved but I've trimmed the range back on this
Sea Int mission so that it covers Messina and simultaneously it's three-dot attacking
that mega death star stack of stuff Brian has floating in the channel. I've got to
whittle down that stack while I have an excellent chance of doing so and yeah, it's
worth a few bombers.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 8:57:23 PM   
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I wonder if Brian knows that I have some Italian elements that are supposed to spawn
at Messina. Three separate units on two different turns are to appear there. Of
course I don't own it anymore so I guess I'll never get them. I'm thinking of disbanding
that formation for the on-hand it might supply.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 9:42:13 PM   
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I've been moving units around and this is the best I can do for an answer to him
opening two of my ports, one on each coast. I think Brian is next going to use the
west coast port to next land some troops to expand his bridgehead and increase his
footprint and reinforce what is already ashore. I've got some troops approaching
from the north and I'm going to use them to construct a pretty good MLR somewhere
north of here.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 11:33:06 PM   
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Here's the results of the strike on that gargantuan stack off coast of Reggio. I
hardly scratched it. This is bad news. I think I'm going to need that MLR sooner
than I thought.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/1/2018 11:49:49 PM   
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I failed a proficiency check and that's the end of my moves for this turn.
That leaves a single defender in Reggio's hex and Brian shouldn't have
much trouble defeating him. So Brian will probably land at Reggio on
his turn.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/2/2018 12:08:23 AM   
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Brian is standing his ground but the paratrooper on the west coast abandoned the port
and rejoined the group. I've got a lot of mopping up to do and just like I thought
he might, landed at Reggio and now I've got troule in my backyard. This is going
to take some deep thought.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 3/2/2018 1:51:00 AM   
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Larry,

This is great stuff. I'm really enjoying this AAR. You have some hard decisions to make.

That was a great attempt on the landing ships - too bad you did not make more of a dent.

All the best,

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