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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/19/2018 3:15:41 AM   
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Here's the T20 front lines right after the combat replay before I have moved anybody. Brian is still in the process
of mopping up my remnants. It's not hard and doesn't take a lot of effort but it's tedius and time consuming.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/19/2018 8:23:24 PM   
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Here's the T21 front lines just after the combat replay. The remnants are almost gone.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/19/2018 9:49:09 PM   
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Here's the T22 front lines right after the combat replay. Now there's only two more
MLR's to defend and I'm hoping it'll be a long drawn out process. I have some Axis
reinforcements to feed into Messina if need be but I'd rather get the German units
off the island if possible before this is all said and done.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/19/2018 11:30:55 PM   
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Here's the T23 front lines just after the combat replay. Brian is still pushing along
the roads and emptied out a hex at one of my MLR lines. I'm going to restore it don't
worry.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/19/2018 11:51:52 PM   
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Very interesting. Thanks for the updates.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/20/2018 12:27:06 AM   
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Very interesting. Thanks for the updates.

You're welcome and thanks for posting. Here's the next set of front lines in the series. No battles this time
just movement. We're starting to get close to where Brian will have to tackle my MLR's and I'm going to lay on
the arty and get ready.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/20/2018 12:34:45 AM   
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Here's the T25 front lines. No battles just movement by Brian again. Time to go to close ups for this game.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/20/2018 2:13:16 PM   
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Well, that's it....all the remnants are gone and he's up against my MLR's and it's
probably a matter of time before he owns Messina.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/20/2018 2:30:57 PM   
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That's not the attitude Larry ...... You have to hold out until at least 16th August when the Allies historically entered Messina

I have faith !!

Berlin is watching

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/20/2018 2:38:36 PM   
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That's not the attitude Larry ...... You have to hold out until at least 16th August when the Allies historically entered Messina

I have faith !!

Berlin is watching

You mean I have to hold onto the city for another 12 turns in order to "win". I'm not sure that's
doable. He just now made two attacks and lost about 25% of his dudes in each attack so he's
probably not going to want to do that again real soon. And there were two furballs in which Allied
aircraft were evaporated so he's probably frustrated right now. It may be a while before I get a
turn back because he's probablly trying to figure out what to do next.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/20/2018 3:03:20 PM   
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Now Brian is moving his troops into positions along my northern MLR.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/20/2018 3:23:15 PM   
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I am guessing the expensive attacks were the British v the German Panzer Grenadiers on the East Coast Messina Rd. You have good Artillery support and excellent troops there. Not sure either applies on the Northern coast does it?
You should have some naval capacity now so if there is a break in the North I would be looking to ship out some of the German units and leave the Italians as a rearguard but I am sure you have a better plan :-)

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/20/2018 3:28:27 PM   
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And this turn is no attacking and just movement of American troops along the northern MLR as they get into positions
for the final assault.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/20/2018 3:29:58 PM   
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Okay this is the setup just before the attacks start.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/20/2018 10:20:53 PM   
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Well the good news is that the overstacking penalties will run up enemy casualties by a decent amount...

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/20/2018 10:34:58 PM   
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Well the good news is that the overstacking penalties will run up enemy casualties by
a decent amount...

Yeah, I was just checking that out last night and wondered if he really wanted to do that
but didn't say anything.....he's a big boy now and can make choices as he sees fit. It's
just that I don't think I could break good policy and stack my stuff up for attack until
they are cherry red. On the other hand if he's in a hurry human wave tactics might be
what is called for. I've got four or five arty units aimed at all that stuff and I've
been pounding his front line units with them and he's probably in a hurry to get this
island over with and be done with it. I'm just guessing if I say anything. I'm not sure
what he's thinking. I just wouldn't do that myself.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/21/2018 12:42:30 AM   
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New moves from Brian....he does one of those human wave attacks and loses 1/3 of his
force but he DOES gain a hex of my MLR and destroyed one of my defenders so it's
looking like the front line has been broken again.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/21/2018 12:55:08 AM   
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Here's a study of the losses of the two sides on that human wave attack. Both sides
lost a lot of trucks. I guess Brian figured that at least this many people would be
lost in a series of more conventional attacks anyway so he did it all in one go. I'm
not sure who won the air war but I'm leaning toward the Allies.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/21/2018 1:23:53 AM   
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I did some attacking of my own and restored the front lines but that is a weak spot
now and he'll have no problem breaking my line again.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/21/2018 12:48:58 PM   
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Brian attacked both MLR's and gained a hex at both of them. Do I displace the entire
line or not or what?




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/21/2018 2:44:54 PM   
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Will be interesting to see how the amphibious bit of the scenario plays out here as I am finding it impossible to carry out without naval support

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/21/2018 3:24:00 PM   
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Will be interesting to see how the amphibious bit of the scenario plays out here as I am finding it impossible to carry out without naval support


I know there are no naval units in the scenario and hopefully the Axis garrison on Sicily will be able to extricate itself as much as is possible just using naval capacity when it arrives. As for the Allies there is a huge area of coastline to cover so I do not think the Allies should have too many problems getting established ashore but we will see.

Thankfully Larry is ahead of the game of myself and warspite by a week or so and i am hoping to learn some useful lessons re this phase !!

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/21/2018 4:58:40 PM   
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Here's what the front lines look like now that Brian has been attacking for a couple
of turns.




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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/21/2018 5:03:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cantona2
Will be interesting to see how the amphibious bit of the scenario plays out here as
I am finding it impossible to carry out without naval support

It's really simple: just embark them and tell them where to move to.

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I know there are no naval units in the scenario and hopefully the Axis garrison on
Sicily will be able to extricate itself as much as is possible just using naval
capacity when it arrives. As for the Allies there is a huge area of coastline
to cover so I do not think the Allies should have too many problems getting established
ashore but we will see.

Germans alreay have naval cap and can leave the island at any time they want to. That's
a good idea actually, I should look into the concept of pulling all the German units off
the island now.

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Thankfully Larry is ahead of the game of myself and warspite by a week or so and i am
hoping to learn some useful lessons re this phase !!

There are advantages of looking at AAR's. I'll see if I can't make it more informative
for you guys.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/21/2018 6:19:24 PM   
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You are already doing a great job Larry.

Can you remember the date your Naval Capacity arrives?

EDIT: cancel that request Larry. We just want reached 29th July and Axis naval capacity has arrived !

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/21/2018 11:34:19 PM   
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Larry,

Well done. Are you worried that your German units at the South end of the Western MRL (what do you mean by MRL?) will be cut off and not escape?

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/21/2018 11:58:32 PM   
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Larry,

Well done. Are you worried that your German units at the South end of the Western MRL (what do you mean by MRL?) will be cut off and not escape?

All the best,


Main line of resistance.

If the western line doesn't shatter letting the allies into his rear, and if his Germans don't reorg at the wrong time, and if there's at least one sacrificial Italian unit in each hex, Larry will have no problem disengaging his Germans and pulling back to port when the time comes. And if he doesn't wait so long that he runs out of sea capacity to pull them across before the final collapse of occurs he;ll be able to continue using them on the mainland for the next phase of the campaign.

*IF* *IF* *IF* *IF*

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/22/2018 1:09:10 AM   
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Larry,

Well done. Are you worried that your German units at the South end of the Western MRL (what do you mean by MRL?) will be cut off and not escape?

All the best,

Thank you for your kind words. And MRL is an abbrieviation for MLR. I misspelled it. And about
the Germans. They new what they were getting into when they signed up, but I would like to see
them safely on the mainland eventually. But being realistic, I realize that something could
happen that will trap them or they go into reorg and get trapped or whatever, that they could
be fighting their last fight of the war. Which is like me playing one of the last games I'll be
able to play with this game.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/22/2018 1:12:45 AM   
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If the western line doesn't shatter letting the allies into his rear, and if his
Germans don't reorg at the wrong time, and if there's at least one sacrificial
Italian unit in each hex, Larry will have no problem disengaging his Germans and
pulling back to port when the time comes. And if he doesn't wait so long that he
runs out of sea capacity to pull them across before the final collapse of occurs
he'll be able to continue using them on the mainland for the next phase of the
campaign.

*IF* *IF* *IF* *IF*

You nailed the situation exactly DanNeely my friend. That's what's going on with
the game. I feel like I should pull the Germans off the island ASAP just to get them
to safety.

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RE: Sicily to Brenner's Pass ( Brian and larry ) - 2/22/2018 6:43:30 AM   
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Will be interesting to see how the amphibious bit of the scenario plays out here as
I am finding it impossible to carry out without naval support

It's really simple: just embark them and tell them where to move to.


Yes i know that. I think you can only disembark in port hexes. very easy for the axis player to garrison them as you cannot land North of Salerno. Once again cannot fathom the absence of naval support assets

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