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Info about the R-37 - 1/30/2018 2:37:32 PM   
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The DB3000 includes the R37 AAM (AA-13 Arrow) as a loadout for the MiG-31BM since 2016, that means that someone supplied Mr. Emsoy with images of operational deployment and/or an official statement from a reputable source.

But as much as I have searched the only material I found about it are RIAA "snake-oil quality" news and half dozen old MAKS airshow photos.

So if anyone could point me to the source employed for the DB I would be very grateful. It's the first new(ish) russian AAM in almost twenty years and I would like to know more about it (as little as the public domain info will be for a long time).

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/15/2018 6:47:08 PM   
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http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/106/R5rii.jpg

MiG-31M with R-37 and R-73

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/16/2018 10:34:41 AM   
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Nice photo, thank you.

But I'm afraid that plane it's still carrying old soviet markings. And that plus the grainy cuality makes me think that's a photo of an old carrying/firing test back in the eighties.

Is there anyone here with experience in PVO/VKS markings who can confirm one way or another?

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/16/2018 11:45:59 AM   
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http://www.deagel.com/Defensive-Weapons/K-37M_a002545001.aspx

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/16/2018 11:49:52 AM   
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https://www.iiss.org/en/militarybalanceblog/blogsections/2017-edcc/february-7849/chinas-very-long-range-missile-development-4aa5

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/16/2018 1:37:11 PM   
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Well, that seems too specific numbers to be a paper missile so I suppose it is as good confirmation as there will be, still a little peeved that there seems to be no (recent) non-MAKS photos like the PL-15 one but beggars can't be choosers (and filitch's is still one I didn't have in my file so there is that).

Thank you to the both of you for the info.

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/16/2018 1:45:46 PM   
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But I'm afraid that plane it's still carrying old soviet markings. And that plus the grainy cuality makes me think that's a photo of an old carrying/firing test back in the eighties.



New markings of VVS/VKS used from March 2010

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/16/2018 3:47:13 PM   
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Anyone any clue why R-37M (AA-X-13/AA-13)has variously been given the Arrow, Axehead and Andi nomenclature?
I've always gone with Arrow but the odd Janes article and a recent Combat Aircrafts MiG-31 article have thrown in the term Axehead from somewhere without quoting the source?
Just curious,

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/16/2018 4:00:47 PM   
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New markings of VVS/VKS used from March 2010


Didn't the new markings include a registration number in the tailfin?

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/16/2018 6:55:43 PM   
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quote:

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New markings of VVS/VKS used from March 2010


Didn't the new markings include a registration number in the tailfin?

Ancalagon

From April or May 2011, AFAIK

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/16/2018 8:54:19 PM   
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So the photo is from 2010-early 2011, great! That's exactly what I was searchin for, thank you again.

And sorry for having doubted you, I didn't realize where are you from until after I posted the reply, obviously YOU are the PVO/VKS expert

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/17/2018 3:01:55 PM   
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So the photo is from 2010-early 2011, great! That's exactly what I was searchin for, thank you again.

Not sure. This photo was printed in magazine "Техника и вооружение" (Technics and armament) in September of 2005.
You can read full article http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-106.html . In upper right corner choose language for translate.

Quote from article
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Until the end of 2011 it was planned to finish the state testing of a missile. Serial production as of August, 2011 is decided to begin. During 2011 preparation of serial production of a missile was conducted. 13.02.2012 the commander-in-chief of the Air Force A. Zelin said that at the final stage of testing there is a new long-range missile for planes MiG-31BM.
In 2014 the RVV-BD missile made operational by the Air Force of Russia, its serial production is officially begun (the KTRV Bulletin. No. 8 / 2015 of). As of fall of 2017 of information on receipt in troops there is no rocket.


Unfortunatelly the site of manufacturer www.ktrv.ru is down.

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And sorry for having doubted you, I didn't realize where are you from until after I posted the reply, obviously YOU are the PVO/VKS expert

Ancalagon

Thanks. I'm not expert but have more information due lack of language barrier.

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/17/2018 9:13:06 PM   
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According to manufacturer's corporate newspaper, serial production of RVV-BD(an export version of R-37), has been started in 2014.
http://www.ktrv.ru/files.images/ktrv_vestnik_08_2015.pdf?PHPSESSID=ffb031335232dbe1fa677c5fb19204b8

But remains unclear, if RuAF has adopted R-37 into service(and purchased) or not.

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/21/2018 7:53:26 PM   
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I keep an eye on the russian forums where lots of images are posted all the times from drills, spotting etc. There isn't a single photo as of now (early 2018) of MiG-31BM with the new missile or even with training dummy - only R-33s pretty much. So even if the production is going (on paper probably) there are problems and the amounts are so small that they don't yet train with them.

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/21/2018 8:28:36 PM   
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So yet another advanced russian weapon delayed until nobody knows when.

Wonderful

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< Message edited by Ancalagon451 -- 2/22/2018 12:16:51 PM >

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/22/2018 1:49:45 PM   
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http://forums.airforce.ru/attachments/matchast/48672d1366450385-3150.jpg/

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 2/22/2018 6:29:29 PM   
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Thanks for the photo but those are R-33 not R-37.

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 12/4/2018 1:21:50 PM   
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quote:

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I keep an eye on the russian forums where lots of images are posted all the times from drills, spotting etc. There isn't a single photo as of now (early 2018) of MiG-31BM with the new missile or even with training dummy - only R-33s pretty much. So even if the production is going (on paper probably) there are problems and the amounts are so small that they don't yet train with them.


Since almost a year has passed I'm bumping this, anyone has graphic evidence about changes in this situation?

Or does the missile remain a paper one?

Ancalagon

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 12/4/2018 6:53:43 PM   
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This article from Janes may shed some light on the subject:
https://www.janes.com/article/81633/new-russian-long-range-aam-integration-to-expand-to-four-fighter-models

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 12/4/2018 7:41:33 PM   
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So as of summer of this year the missile it's still not operative, good to confirm.

Thanks for the link (albeit I can read only the free extract since I'm not a Jane's subscriptor).

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RE: Info about the R-37 - 12/4/2018 10:06:31 PM   
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NATO has a set of rules for assigning a standardized code name to a weapons system. Changes in naming can reflect updated assessments of the weapon's capabilities, or updates in the rules. It could also be that there's multiple versions of the same weapons system with different capabilities reflected in their name. I also have it on good authority that occasionally, creative thinking intelligence analysts give new things their own names in the absence of any official name, which make sense to them. E.g. "That missile looks like an anteater!" and it becomes an "ANTEATER." That name then sticks for a while, in spite of it not following the rules strictly. Later, as assessments are updated, they might be assigned an "official" name, which then results in a naming inconsistency in the literature.

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Anyone any clue why R-37M (AA-X-13/AA-13)has variously been given the Arrow, Axehead and Andi nomenclature?
I've always gone with Arrow but the odd Janes article and a recent Combat Aircrafts MiG-31 article have thrown in the term Axehead from somewhere without quoting the source?
Just curious,

Regards

Karl


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RE: Info about the R-37 - 12/5/2018 12:53:29 AM   
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quote:

NATO has a set of rules for assigning a standardized code name to a weapons system. Changes in naming can reflect updated assessments of the weapon's capabilities, or updates in the rules. It could also be that there's multiple versions of the same weapons system with different capabilities reflected in their name. I also have it on good authority that occasionally, creative thinking intelligence analysts give new things their own names in the absence of any official name, which make sense to them. E.g. "That missile looks like an anteater!" and it becomes an "ANTEATER." That name then sticks for a while, in spite of it not following the rules strictly. Later, as assessments are updated, they might be assigned an "official" name, which then results in a naming inconsistency in the literature.

Don't forget the option of WSSIC not assigning a name/designator until well after IOC, then classifying it. The public literature on WSSIC IDs/names on pretty terrible for a lot of post-Cold War systems, leading to a lot of the above inconsistency.

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