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Useless helos... Except for the Soviets? - 1/17/2018 8:32:07 PM   
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I have noticed NATO helos are not that good in staying alive. How do I keep them alive and get some kills?
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RE: Useless helos... Except for the Soviets? - 1/17/2018 8:50:50 PM   
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Find and kill major Soviet AD systems like 2S6s. Use terrain to mask approaches and try to shoot from standoff. TOWs are about 7-8 hex range and the Hellfire is good out to 8 klicks (16 hexes). Snipe and move. Be wary of IFV units since the Soviets usually have a ton of MANPADs mixed into the formations. The Soviets put a ton of AD on the battlefield to negate NATO airpower.

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RE: Useless helos... Except for the Soviets? - 1/20/2018 12:36:56 AM   
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As the Capn says, I keep them hidden as long as possible until
1, I have written down as much Soviet AAA/SAM as possible, you should get some alerts as to where their air search RADAR's are. (don't bother trying to target them with artillery, they are usually on the move , and your artillery will have more important targets to hit)
2. you have located the main Soviet thrust so you can avoid it (Soviet MRR have a lot of man portable and AA capable secondary armaments)
3. You locate the Soviet "on board Artillery"
4. You have identified a safe route into the the Soviet rear area's. (that is no AAA/SAM or other targets, you don't want your helicopters wasting ammunition on BMP'S or BTR'S)
THEN you can safely plot a route to the Soviet Artillery positions, they are a target really worth going for, you will have to plot the route back for them when they need to resupply as the AI potted route though quicker will endanger them. )

AH64 with Hellfires are a force to be respected but also carefully cherished, they need long fields of fire but also big hills to hide behind. This needs to be perpendicular to soviet line of advance so they don't get swatted by long range soviet SAMS.

They can be game changers, highly useful as a mobile reserve/fire brigade but also missile magnets.




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RE: Useless helos... Except for the Soviets? - 1/23/2018 5:03:19 PM   
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Russian helicopters are valuable because they allow advantageous trades against nato supertanks for once. If you can pit them against a couple of NATO tank platoons 1v1 then they become very profitable. You hardly ever trade well against top nato tanks but helos allow you to do it if you do everything right.

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RE: Useless helos... Except for the Soviets? - 1/23/2018 10:43:48 PM   
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Not entirely sure what the NATO supertanks are, as the best weapon against NATO tanks is a mixed force of Soviet Tanks and BTR60/BMP'S, NATO tanks will expend themselves shooting at the BTR60/BMPs, Soviet Helicopters are really highly mobile tanks, too which Nato has little defence.

Cleverly the game designers have given us a milieu in which NATO'S best laid plans to have Air supremacy over the battlefield have not come to pass.
Air Forces promised air supremacy given big enough budgets, why therefore would the army need it's own integral air defences in any significant number or actual effectiveness ? (speaking of the British army that is). Thus the game designers throw us a curve ball by taking away the "AIR" trump card in the NATO air land battleplan.

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RE: Useless helos... Except for the Soviets? - 1/24/2018 9:46:10 AM   
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NATO airforfe wouldnt be able to operate off the airfields which would be visited by chemical or tactical nuclear missiles. They are like huge KILL ME targets.

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RE: Useless helos... Except for the Soviets? - 1/24/2018 7:02:21 PM   
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I struggled, and sometimes still struggle, with my AH. I suggest you try the scenario "A few good choppers." Try some different approaches and you will get a better idea of how to use the AHs. It is a fun scenario, by the way!

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RE: Useless helos... Except for the Soviets? - 1/26/2018 6:45:19 PM   
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I recollect that someone put a post on that said that the Soviet attitude toward "tactical" nuclear weapons was that their use was viewed as a military decision, another tool in the military toolbox.
I don't know the proximty of Nato airbaes in west Germany to towns and cities, but bear in mind lots of USAF and RAF airbases in the UK are close to cities and towns, the UK is a small and crowded Island, I feel confident to say drop a "tactical" nuclear weapon on Lakenheath or Manston , kills 10's or 100's thousands of UK citizens with tactical nukes, i think then that the game designers would find they had no game to play because the response would be NATO tactical srikes on Soviet military targets s far back as Kiev, Minsk, Leningrad, Archangel......

They may have "kill me" labels on them but I think the preferred weapon would be chemical, persistent , mixed conventional strikes on base facilities, all of which I think we expected and planned for.

The US had stockpiles of chemical weapons, once the Soviets open that particular pandora's box , would the US show restraint? would public pressure be to respond in kind ?

I think game designers have struck a nice balance of making strike aircraft a rarity on both sides.
( as an aside I think the soviet airforces in 1989 wold be playing the part of the Japanese in the air battles of the Phillipine sea.)

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