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Midway invasion - Advice needed - 1/14/2018 6:12:33 AM   
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Hi guys, recently purchased the game, loving it so far, im playing IJN and am in the middle of 1942, though ive experienced a big dilemma with an invasion of Midway. I dont understand whats happening, ill explain.

I landed 3 SNLF first, was suprized to see they are shock attacking every turn after unloading, did some reading, found out about the atoll penalty, so thats fair enough. After a few turns i notice my supplies are at 0 for all units, wierd becuase i included 30,000 supplies on the transports. So i load up another supply run from Japan with another 30,000. They get to Midway, unload under heavy fire, but my supplies are still at 0 for all units! Figured they might be wasting into replacements so i turned replacements off, still nothing for 3 turns. So in desperation i load a entire division into a transport fleet and send them in with another 30,000 supplies, exact same thing happens, 0 supply for all squads, i dont understand whats going on. I cant afford to waste 90,000 supply as IJN.

Anyways ive lost abut 20 transports from the CD guns, thousands of men and havent even scratched the enemy units, maybe 1000 casualties in total. They seem invincible. Bear in mind i have 2 CV fleets constantly bombing them, have bombarded 3 times now with BB fleets. But the worst part is, now my transports have stopped unloading, and are now LOADING troops to retreat, i cant stop them. 2 weeks have passed, 90k supply down the drain for nothing, and the icing on the cake is i get the message "Units at Midway destroyed by attrition!!" I look and my entire force is vanished, with only remnants loaded onto the transports and they are heading back home to Japan. I really dont understand this, can someone please give me some advice on what im meant to do in this situation, this is a real gamebreaker for me, killing my desire to play anymore, even though ive been loving the game so much thus far.
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RE: Midway invasion - Advice needed - 1/14/2018 7:41:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: styer27

Hi guys, recently purchased the game, loving it so far, im playing IJN and am in the middle of 1942, though ive experienced a big dilemma with an invasion of Midway. I dont understand whats happening, ill explain.

I landed 3 SNLF first, was suprized to see they are shock attacking every turn after unloading, did some reading, found out about the atoll penalty, so thats fair enough. After a few turns i notice my supplies are at 0 for all units, wierd becuase i included 30,000 supplies on the transports. So i load up another supply run from Japan with another 30,000. They get to Midway, unload under heavy fire, but my supplies are still at 0 for all units! Figured they might be wasting into replacements so i turned replacements off, still nothing for 3 turns. So in desperation i load a entire division into a transport fleet and send them in with another 30,000 supplies, exact same thing happens, 0 supply for all squads, i dont understand whats going on. I cant afford to waste 90,000 supply as IJN.

Anyways ive lost abut 20 transports from the CD guns, thousands of men and havent even scratched the enemy units, maybe 1000 casualties in total. They seem invincible. Bear in mind i have 2 CV fleets constantly bombing them, have bombarded 3 times now with BB fleets. But the worst part is, now my transports have stopped unloading, and are now LOADING troops to retreat, i cant stop them. 2 weeks have passed, 90k supply down the drain for nothing, and the icing on the cake is i get the message "Units at Midway destroyed by attrition!!" I look and my entire force is vanished, with only remnants loaded onto the transports and they are heading back home to Japan. I really dont understand this, can someone please give me some advice on what im meant to do in this situation, this is a real gamebreaker for me, killing my desire to play anymore, even though ive been loving the game so much thus far.

Roll the cursor over the Midway Island icon and you will see a maximum number of troops figure - probably 6000. If you exceed this figure you start to pay a penalty in supply usage. If you exceed the figure by more than double, the penalty gets very stiff indeed. And, of course, battle can use up supply at huge rates too.

On atolls, you need to bring enough to overwhelm the opposition quickly and then immediately remove the excess troops, or bring smaller (in troop numbers) units with high firepower (like tanks) and grind the enemy down while not exceeding stacking limits yourself.


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RE: Midway invasion - Advice needed - 1/14/2018 8:20:51 AM   
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Atolls are really hard to invade, even against AI.
If there is combat unit behind decent forts on the atoll you would need weeks of bombing/bombardment while blocaded to run down their supply, then land 100% prep elite LCUs (in 1 turn) and continue unloading supplies in subsequent turns while the battle is raging to replenish stacking penalty drain. Or if you have time and are sure no reinforcements or resupply are coming, you can land one small tough LCU like tanks and whittle down defenders in a series of attacks taking a good rest to repair stuff between those. If the attack is rushed it is common for a single defending regiment to repulse multiple divisions on atolls.

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RE: Midway invasion - Advice needed - 1/15/2018 2:17:16 AM   
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So the worst thing i could have done was land that division, darn, guess ill cut my losses and get as many out as i can.

Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated!

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RE: Midway invasion - Advice needed - 1/15/2018 11:59:29 PM   
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Since it is mid-1942 the defenders of Midway have undoubtedly fortified to around 3 or 4 at least. Meanwhile you've forfeited the Initial Landing Bonus. Those SNLF that you landed are really in no way comparable to a US Marine Division in terms of firepower although the SNLF had something of the reputation of being "Japanese Marines".

The 3 SNLF units are essentially battalion sized units. Thus you were well under the 6000 man max specified for Midway but as noted they really don't have a great deal of firepower.
The book "Shattered Sword" (which is mostly about the destruction of the Kido Butai) has an Appendix about the "What If" of a Japanese landing on Midway by the proposed invasion force.

It included one SNLF and half of an IJA infantry regiment (the Ichiki Detachment). The SNLF had no personnel designated to "over the beach" supply nor to naval gunfire support. Neither did the Combined Fleet have any doctrine for firing in direct support of infantry on a landing beach (or any direct communication with the landing force). In sum the landing force would have been massacred depriving the USMC of its famous Battle of the Tenaru R on Guadalcanal. That last is likely the only difference between history and the "What If".

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