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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 1/7/2018 1:59:52 PM   
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Have changed the tank div's KV assignment based on info found at https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%92-1#%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 1/7/2018 3:06:17 PM   
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My main source about KV-2 is book - Maxim Kolomiets "Heavy Tank KV-2",2013 / Максим Коломиец "Тяжёлый танк КВ-2", 2013. https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/20264623/
This guy wrote many books about different tanks.
I guess it's much better than Wiki.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 1/7/2018 4:08:06 PM   
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Wiki info seems to be in alignment with that book, except for the 29th TD. At least the 20 tanks were on the way to the 29th TD.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 1/23/2018 9:33:30 PM   
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If you don't mind a few notes about tanks.

Tank names:
more correct would be BT-7A instead of BT-Artillery.

There are 2 types of T-28 in the game (T-28 M1932 and T-28 M1940).
More correct would be just T-28 for yearly type and T-28E for upgraded. “E” means “ekranirovannyy” = shielded.

About KV-8.

Production from April (actually from February, but before April only 2) to August 1942. Total production – 102.
Upgrade to KV-8s (like KV-1 to KV-1s). Same factory (Chelyabinsk).
KV-8s production from September 1942 to February 1943. Total production – 35.

Flamethrowers in these tanks. KV-8 have ATO-41(ammo - 92) flamethrower, KV-8s have ATO-42 (ammo-60).
Gun(45 mm) ammo for KV-8s was 114 instead 88 of KV-8.
Gun of KV-8 have name 45mm 20K gun M32/38.
Gun of KV-8s have name 45mm 20KM gun M42.
KV-8s have armor and others stats of typical KV-1s, but first 25 tanks have KV-8 tower.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 1/24/2018 8:15:44 AM   
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BT-7A - changed
T-28E - changed, according to wiki and other sources M1938 tanks with additional armor plates, the rare M1940 may have also received these upgrades, using M1940 was completely wrong (just 12 or so with modified turret)
T-28 M1932 - completely wrong model year (prototype designation), the tank we model is the first major production version M1934 and is renamed as such
I don't see a reason to split the low-production KV-8 into 2 models with even lower production. Stats are already a mix between original KV-8 and KV-8s.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 1/25/2018 9:54:34 PM   
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Surplus of T-28 tanks in the game.

First of all, a few numbers about T-28.
Total production – 503.
111 of them in 1940 was upgraded to T-28E(there was added additional armor plates plus various replacements of equipment).
It's a difficult to say about exact number of T-28 at start of the war. Probably around 400-480.

Next. T-28 in units. I can't found any comfirmations that 297th tank btn(in Hanko),4th TD(Western M.D.),15th TD(Kiev M.D.),6th and 54th TD(Transcaucasus M.D.) had T-28 tanks. More likely that it's confused with T-27 tankettes or something.
6 Tank divisions that had T-28:
1st – 31 tank (plus 7 more was in Leningrad for repair)
3rd – 38
2nd – 27
5th – 30
8th – 68
10th – 51
There is not a much info about where was upgraded T-28E. Only approximate.
2 was in Western M.D.
Around 15% was in Kiev M.D.
And rest in Leningrad M.D. I guess it's because T-28' factory(“Krasnyy putilovets”, from 1934 renamed to “Kirovskiy zavod”) was in Leningrad.
How we can calculate this. We're know total number of T-28E – 111.
Because of rear bases of Baltic,Western and Kiev M.D.'s had huge losses most or even all tanks that was out of Tank divisions we can “to write off”.
So, let 1 tank in Western M.D will be written of and other will be moved to pool.
15% in Kiev M.D can be splited between 8th and 10th TD, e.g. each can gain 8 tanks.
And all T-28 in the 1st Mech corps gain T-28E “status”.

Final composition of T-28 in the TD's:
1st – 31 “E”
3rd – 38 “E”
2nd – 27
5th – 30
8th – 60 “normal” + 8”E”
10th – 43+8

Ok, now we've 160”normal”+85”E” in the divisions instead of 184+227.
What about pool.
We're reduced total number of “E” to 110 . So,110-85(in units)=25. 25 “E” can be added to pool.
With “normal”T-28's for pool it's more difficult story.
There is report for the“Tank” department of RKKA on 1 June,1941. There are numbers of tanks in various conditions of repair status (total 4 categories). Because we're accepted “wiped out” of rears of 3 M.D., we only can use some “normal” T-28 from others(Moscow and Volga). I guess it's would be right if we'll count only 2nd and 3rd categories of repair status. It will be total 15 “normal” T-28's.

Final total numbers:
“normal” T-28 in units 160 + 15 in pool. Total 175.
T-28E in units 85 + 25 in pool. Total 110.

“Damaged” status.
7 T-28 in 10th was “damaged”.
I guess there can be added same status for minimum 10% of T-28 in the units if they don't have it.

A small remark about position of 5th Tank division(3rd Mech corps of Baltic M.D.) in Alytus.
Alytus it's a town on both sides of Neman river. And 5th TD was covered eastern side.
I think need to move this unit to one hex to east (to 55.51).

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 1/26/2018 6:37:11 AM   
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We don't have the T-27 tankette in our db but early T-26s shout fit. Will look into the T-28 distribution.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/2/2018 10:39:04 AM   
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Frozen front.

Leningrad M.D./Northern front.
10th Mech corps 23 June was moved to border and takes positions in second line of 23A. On game map it's somewhere at line 76.9 – 78.6, with 198th motorized division on right flank.
On 5-8 July both tank divisions of corps moved by RR to Luga defence line. 298th remains because can't be withdrawn from battles.
10th Mech corps HQ was moved also ,20 July was renamed to right sector's HQ of Luga Operative Group.
70th and 237th divisions was moved to Luga line too from 6-8 July.
From 14 July 70th,237th and both tank divisions participates in counter-attacks against Panzer corps around Plussa and Soltsy.

But in game these units can't be moved because there're frozen. 70th RD still stays even on 5th turn when enemy units in 3 hexes.

Remark about industry in Vsevolozhsky(town around Leningrad).
If honest I'm never heard about large factories there during the war. There is factory with 8 Arm in the game. I guess 5 can be moved to Leningrad and 3 to Kolpino(south from Leningrad) ,there was and still is famous factory “Izhorskiy zavod”(during the war produced ammo,armor plates etc.).

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/3/2018 8:00:32 AM   
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Izhorskiy fac is better represented by a mix of HI and armaments, probably 2:1 or 3:1. Will have a look how it's best done.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/4/2018 4:13:45 AM   
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Also “Izhorskiy” produced BA-10 armored cars.
Up to 10 September 1941 all production of BA-10 was there. From August assembling starts move to factory #189 in Leningrad (at game map it's can be NW Leningrad hex).
Production.
“Izhorskiy”:
June – 105
July – 10 September – 331
#189 factory:
September – 51
October – 27
November – 3

Ammo of BA-10.
49 for 45mm gun and 2079(33 discs with 63 shells each) for machinguns.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/4/2018 8:07:32 AM   
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I knew there was soemthing on my list that I had forgotten and this was to relocate the BA-10 fac

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/5/2018 7:58:56 AM   
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Presence of flamethrowers in Rifle division's TOE at start of the war.

TOE(wartime Shtat #04/400-416, 05.04.1941)of Rifle division had 30 flamethrowers. All of them was in a Separate Chemical company, if more correctly they was in a Flamethrower platoon of that company.

Structure of a Separate Chemical company (58 men total):
Commander
Zampolit (some kind of commisar at low level)

Anti-gas platoon (14 men)

Flamethrower platoon (38 men)
Commander
4 “sergeants”
33 privates
30 flamethrowers
37 rifles
3 trucks

Supply squad (4 men)

Very likely Flamethrower platoon was composed of 3 squads.
Something like:
Commander + Deputy(Assistant)
Squad x3:
1 “sergeant” + 11 privates
10 flamethrowers
12 rifles
1 truck

My suggestions for changes:
remove flamethrowers from sapper squads and add to TOE of Rifle divisions up to 3 Flamethrower squads(12 men each).
I'm not sure about others units. But looks like Airborn brigades had 2-3 Flamethrower squads, probably Motorized divisions too.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/5/2018 8:32:23 AM   
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In the next version we are working on the '39 sappers still have FTs but this will change afterwards.
Most units currently get separate Sapper + FT Squads in an 41b OB.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/7/2018 12:34:52 PM   
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7th Mech corps
I think this corps is frozen too long, can be used only on 3rd turn.

Actually 24 June corps got order of Moscow M.D for moving to Vyazma area. And starts to move in this day.
Morning 26 June – HQ in Vyazma got order for moving to Smovensk-Orsha.
Evening 26 June – HQ in Smolensk , corps reassigned to 20A of Remezov, 1st MD reassigned to army command and ordered for moving to Orsha. Corps got order for moving to Liozno-Rudnya area.
27-30 June corps units takes positions in the area.
26-30 June 1st MD takes positions around Orsha.
5 July corps got order for attack in direction to Lepel.

I guess it would be more correct to unfreeze this corps on 2nd turn.
Other suggestion is to reassign this corps to Moscow M.D like 23th Mech corps assigned to Bryansk M.D and let to players choose how they want to use it.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/8/2018 1:40:49 PM   
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Heavy artillery.

152mm Br-2 M1935 guns.
Was produced from 1936-40 in Stalingrad factory “Barrikady”. Total production – 37 or 38 guns.
At start of ther war Br-2 guns was in 524th Heavy Gun regiment of Moscow M.D (24 guns). .
Also 4 guns was in 1st and 6th Heavy Gun batteries(2 guns each)of coastal defence around Arkhangelsk.
Probably rest of Br-2's was in a“pool” in Moscow M.D.
In the game these guns also presence in 120th and 317th HG regiments. But it's incorrect.
120th regiment was BM howitzer regiment and had 203mm B-4 and Vickers MK VI howizers.
317th rgt – very likely was confused with 317th Heavy Mortar btn that had 280 mm Schneider Mortars Model 1914/15.

There was no others production of Br-2 during war.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/8/2018 2:16:03 PM   
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There are a lot of discrepancies in the Soviet OOB of 22-6-1941.
It is good that it is sorted out.

I always used the following references , 3 beautiful russian books about soviet commanders. You do need to know a bit of russian to understand them :

militera.lib.ru/enc/0/djvu/komandarmy.djvu
militera.lib.ru/enc/0/djvu/komkory-1.djvu
militera.lib.ru/enc/0/djvu/komkory-2.djvu

more of the good stuff here:

http://militera.lib.ru/enc/1/slovar/index.html

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/9/2018 9:29:06 AM   
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203mm B-4 Howitzers M1931.
Total production from 1932-1942 is 1011 guns.
From 1932 in “Bolshevik” factory in Leningrad(l).
From 1933 in “Barrikady” factory in Stalingrad(s).
From 1938 in “Novokramatorskiy” factory in Kramatorsk(k).

1932-36 - 104 (l)
1934 – 15(s)
1937 – 42(l)
1938 – 75(s) 49(lk)
1939 – 181(s) 48(lk)
1940 – 165(s) 3(lk)
1941 – 300(s) 26(lk)
Also in 1942 in Stalingrad was produced 3 guns.
From 326 guns that was produced in 1941, 221 was produced in a first half year and others 105 after June. Production ends in October 1941.

At start of the war RKKA had 849 or 871 B-4 howitzers and 203mm 36 Vickers MK VI howitzers.

BM Howizer regiments.
By pre-war plan 1939-40 of heavy artillery re-organzation there be must be 17 BM regiments that have 36 B-4 guns each. 14 regiments of them must be had double deployment during mobilization.
Probably some of them was deployed before war and rest in first days. E.g. on 22 June 108th BM rgt(23A/Leningrad M.D.)had 36 B-4. Same day on base of this rgt was deployed 519th BM rgt. Very likely 519th received 12 guns and others 24 stayed in 108th.

Probably in first days of the war RKKA had 33 BM regiments. In the game there are only 24.Let's try to find a difference,

In the game 281th (O.M.D.) have B-4 guns. Actually this rgt had 30 305mm howitzers M1915. I'll write about it later.
So now still need to find 10 BM regiments.
4 of them on Far East:
106th – Transbaikal M.D.
199th – 1A of Far East Front
549th – 1A of Far East Front
550th – 2A of Far East Front
2 regiments was moved to west from Siberian M.D with 24A units:
544th – 24A
486th – was used by Western front.
120th - in the game it's a Hevy Gun rgt with 152mm Br-2 guns. Actually had Vickers MK VI howitzers and received 21 June 24 B-4 guns(6 of them stayed on RR).
138th – N.C.M.D.
402th – in the game it's “normal” howitzer rgt with 152mm howitzers. Actually had 24 B-4.
529th – Kiev M.D. , was deployed from 324th.

At start of the war in the game RKKA have only 424 B-4 howitzers.
I guess there is need correction. If we'll use lesser numbers (849) minus around 100 that can be in 4 regiments at Far East it would be around 749 for regiments at west and pool.

About production in the game.
Because there was no mass production of B-4 after October 1941 I guess auto-production must be changed.
I think there can be created factory in Stalingrad that would produce 8 B-4 per turn 15 first turns until October. It would total production 120 guns in 1941 after start of the war.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/10/2018 7:31:49 AM   
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305mm Howitzers M1915.
http://ost-front.ru/2013/09/10/305mm/
Was produced in 1915-1917.
At start of the war 30 these howitzers was in 281th Howitzer artillery rgt OM in Orel M.D (in the game this rgt have 12 203mm B-4). Same day(22 June) 281th was split to 5 battalions 6 guns each (#322,328-331). In August 1941 these units relocated to rear (to Chkalov region).331th btn was used in 1942 in Vyazma and Volkhov sector. From 1944 others btns was moved to front.Mostly was used against forts in Karelia,East Prussia,Poland and Germany.
Also at start of the war in a “pool” was 1 or 4 these guns.
Also these guns was in 911th 4-guns coast defence battery on Russkiy Isl.(around Vladivostok).

305mm Br-18 howitzer M1939.
http://oruzhie.info/artilleriya/598-br-18-gaubitsa
Was produced in 1939-1941 at base of Skoda's 305mm howitzer. Total production is 3 guns.
Probably these guns was used on defence of Leningrad in 1941-44.

There was no production of these guns during war.

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RE: Soviet Leaders/OOB Issues - 2/10/2018 3:01:45 PM   
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280mm mortars.

At start of the war RKKA had 47 280mm Br-5 mortars M1939 and 25 280mm Schneider mortars M1914/15.

280mm Br-5 mortars M1939.
Was produced in 1939-40 by “Barrikady” factory in Stalingrad. Total production is 47(22 in 1939 and 25 in 1940). There was no production of these guns during war.

Very likely during May-June 1941 in RKKA was replacement of old Schneider mortars to more modern Br-5 and most of units received it.
Probably at start of the war RKKA had 8 separate artillery battalions OM. There are 9 these battalions in the game.
Let's try to figure it out.
4 battalions in Kiev M.D.(34th,245th,315th,316th) had 24 Br-5 and all of them presented in the Data list of the Active Army for 1941. These units presented in the game too.
40th btn in Moscow M.D had Br-5 guns too. At start of the war in Kolomna, 1-7 July 1941 was moved to Smolensk sector Western Front ,later was returned to Moscow region, in October 1941 was relocated to Sarapul (around Izhevsk). Presented in game too.
32th btn in Western M.D (Minsk) had 6 Br-5 25 June-28 August was relocated to Kovrov(Vladimir region),on 20 October 1941 in Sarapul.
317th btn in Odessa M.D. Probably had Schneider mortars. Presented in the Data list of the Active Army for 1941. In the game it's a 317th Heavy gun rgt of 9th Army that have 152mm Br-2.

It's a hard to say which btn can be 8th.
There are 4 battalions in the game that count as “Heavy mortar” battalions:
47th btn in 7A of Leningrad M.D – very likely it was “normal” artillery battalion
228th btn – in the game in Moscow M.D , there are no info about this unit in the Data list of the Active Army
233th – in the game in Moscow M.D , there are no info about this unit in the Data list of the Active Army
226th - in the game in Moscow M.D ,presented in the Data list of the Active Army in 1944-45

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