Morvael & team, please look more closely into the support squad change:
- Soviet total OOB 4.27M => 3.82M (256k difference in Corps HQs, 200k in armies)
- HQ ToE could be adjusted previously to gain manpower from HQ support squads, if that was the desired effect?
- 215k+ men (!!!) less are gained now in 1.11.01 from disbanding Corps HQs
- German HQ support squads still remain at the same (unrealistic?) levels?
What was the cause for the support squad change? Why German HQ ToE was not changed? If there is a change in support squad numbers, shouldn't the unit's support needs be toned down, or was this previously not working as it should?
I think there's a lot to rethink in this change, please consider this as a bug report for 1.11.01.
EDIT: the picture says "Corps OOB", that's the added figure from CR below the OOB and my additional calculations. I deducted Airborne and Air Command HQs from the calculations since they don't disband automagically.
Following up with questions about the Support Squad change:
What exactly is the desired functionality of HQs having support squads? In 1.11.01, an army HQ of 10 divisions can raise the divisions' capacity to recover fatigue and repair elements by less than 10% (200/10/275), and the division will still be operating at less than 60% of the needed support.
If the bonus admin chance mechanic is not changed, a Soviet Army has 20% chance to give +1 admin to the leader checks, if at full ToE.
The above numbers are now really small, and it seems it wouldn't make much difference if all the army HQs were operating at 20% ToE:
56% vs 60% fatigue reduction & element repair effectiveness
4% vs 20% chance for admin bonus
The support squad & command chain seems to have become quite insignificant for the Soviet side with this patch.
Front HQs were also reduced to 500 support squads, that translates into roughly 10 squads of assistance spread out among the divisions.
German divisions have almost 100% support need fulfilled by their own ToE, not toning down German HQ support squads seems like an odd choice. I understand the support squads reflect the efficiency of the command structure and Germans should excel in this, but this should be represented perhaps differently than having 30000 men in support duties in a German army (10000 in army, 20000 in the corps) while the Soviet army now has only 4000. That's far from realism.
Would it have been better to make a complete support squad overhaul, and include the German side to it also?
HQ support squad numbers could've been lowered on both sides, while at the same time adjusting the support needs for different units. Support squad admin effect formula should be adjusted accordingly to reflect the changes, and to preserve the meaningfulness of having a functional command chain supporting the combat units.
< Message edited by Nix77 -- 11/16/2017 3:19:45 PM >