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Actual Military Question about OECM - 10/30/2017 3:34:04 PM   
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I have a question which I hope can be answered by people who actually have knowledge about this topic.

How difficult is it to convert a regular plane (say an F/A-18) into a Growler? Is it as simple as taking some other pods off of the existing F/A-18 and adding three AN/ALQ-99F pods? Would that essentially make it into a Growler? I assume that there are other electrical concerns, but is this the process?

Another question....Could other planes from other nations do the same type of thing? Could they take an existing pod off of say, some fighter, and simply add some kind of jamming pod to make the plane into a OECM-type of plane? Do any nations actually do this?

Now, in game terms, if you actually did that, swapping out pods out for something like an AN/ALQ-99F pod, would that plane be then recognized as a OECM-plane, or is there more to it than that?
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RE: Actual Military Question about OECM - 10/30/2017 7:30:41 PM   
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AFAIK it is not that simple. You not only need special equipment inside the plane, you need specialists who know how to use it.
Here are examples: EA-6 Prowler has 4 crew members: 1 pilot and 3 ECM operators; EA-18 Growler has 2 crew: 1 pilot and 1 ECM operator. Thus OECM pods are not some magical things that automaticaly do what has to be done in a current situation, it's operator who decides what ECM equipment should do at any given moment.

In the game's editor you can simply add OECM capable sensor to any airplane, making it Growler like jammer.

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RE: Actual Military Question about OECM - 10/30/2017 11:56:36 PM   
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One of the big things about the Growler is how much more automated it is compared to the Prowler. I don't really have any specifics; that's just anecdotes from crews at the unclass level. This speaks to significantly improved avionics allowing for a reduced crew complement, and probably allows it to pass information to other platforms over link better than a Prowler.

As to the cost of converting an airplane for the EW mission sets, the RAAF paid 35 Million AUD to add Growler wiring to their last 12 F/A-18Fs. That works out to about $2.3 million per plane in just wiring. I'm assuming that doesn't cover the improved mission computers, but it certainly doesn't include the AN/ALQ-218 or AN/ALQ-99s.

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RE: Actual Military Question about OECM - 10/31/2017 12:46:38 AM   
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Thanks to you (and User2) for the detailed info. It answered my questions.



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RE: Actual Military Question about OECM - 10/31/2017 2:40:59 AM   
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Re-purposing military equipment during war is common. Doing so in peacetime less so. It is not an efficient use of a nation's money. Perhaps the US could afford it. But it's better to build/purchase and maintain systems that meet the countries national security objectives from the start. Installing unintended pods and alike in peace time seems desperate. But that does not mean a scenario could not be designed to require it

Kevin

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RE: Actual Military Question about OECM - 10/31/2017 1:41:56 PM   
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Growler is purpose built for OECM and has several unique components, including 44 antennas compared to a Super Hornet's 24.

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RE: Actual Military Question about OECM - 11/1/2017 3:20:10 PM   
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If you're looking for offensive ECM platforms many nations use ECM equipped learjets operationally and for training/testing. You can find a bunch of these in the database.

Thanks!

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RE: Actual Military Question about OECM - 11/1/2017 11:40:13 PM   
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Growlers are also wired differently in the factory, because of the job they do.

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