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Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/11/2017 5:05:49 PM   
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I hope it's just the mod I'm playing, but in the real game do the Finnish troops actually take winter damage? If so, I have about 20 books you can read about the Finnish troops being some of the best winter combat troops during that period. WTF, I just am really surprised anybody making a WW2 game would not know that? Really surprised and a bit saddened at the same time. If this is in the game, please fix it in the next patch. I will fix it in the scripts myself until then. If anything, some of the Russian troops should take winter damage. That's the truth if you knew the history.



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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/11/2017 5:30:20 PM   
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Finnish troops shouldn't ought to take winter damage, they don't do in any other grand strategy computer wargame that I've played (e.g. Commander Europe at War GS). Nor should Swedish or Norwegian troops IMHO.

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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/11/2017 6:45:31 PM   
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I hope it's just the mod I'm playing, but in the real game do the Finnish troops actually take winter damage? If so, I have about 20 books you can read about the Finnish troops being some of the best winter combat troops during that period. WTF, I just am really surprised anybody making a WW2 game would not know that? Really surprised and a bit saddened at the same time. If this is in the game, please fix it in the next patch. I will fix it in the scripts myself until then. If anything, some of the Russian troops should take winter damage. That's the truth if you knew the history.



Hi jzardos

Where were your Finnish troops when this happened?

I ask as the scripts won't penalize any Finnish troops in or near to Finland. If they're sent much, much further away then they could as they would be relying on inadequate German supplies. But they would have to be miles from Finland for this to happen so it is very unlikely.

Soviet units can be affected too, but only if the USSR doesn't make preparations for winter warfare, as this is a decision the USSR is presented with in 1940.

Bill

< Message edited by Bill Runacre -- 9/11/2017 6:46:27 PM >


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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/11/2017 8:32:51 PM   
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Bill - out of interest, do Swedish and/or Norwegian troops avoid winter penalties too? At least if in or near the northern Scandinavian countries.


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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/12/2017 5:35:38 AM   
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Is it correct that near Tallinn (Reval) all troops were save and receive no damage? The script only mention Riga and Leningrad for hard winter.

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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/13/2017 11:09:51 AM   
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Bill - out of interest, do Swedish and/or Norwegian troops avoid winter penalties too? At least if in or near the northern Scandinavian countries.



So, is it only the Finns and Soviets who avoid winter penalties, or can Sweden and/or even Norway avoid these too? I can see a case (though it won't happen very often) for letting Swiss troops avoid these penalties too

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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/13/2017 1:43:58 PM   
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Bill - out of interest, do Swedish and/or Norwegian troops avoid winter penalties too? At least if in or near the northern Scandinavian countries.



They would also be immune in or near Finland.

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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/13/2017 1:51:51 PM   
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Is it correct that near Tallinn (Reval) all troops were save and receive no damage? The script only mention Riga and Leningrad for hard winter.


There is a very small area around Tallinn that isn't affected. This could be amended but I don't think a small safe area can be completely avoided without risking some units being struck twice, as there are a large number of nearly overlapping map zones, and if any were to overlap then this would happen.

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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/13/2017 2:11:31 PM   
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Bill - out of interest, do Swedish and/or Norwegian troops avoid winter penalties too? At least if in or near the northern Scandinavian countries.



They would also be immune in or near Finland.


Great, what about German troops in Finland, or does the immunity only affect Scandinavian units?

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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/13/2017 2:15:31 PM   
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From memory the penalties are not nation specific, but rather specific to areas of the map in the USSR where they historically occurred for the Axis. So any Axis units in these areas will be affected which is why, as Bill highlighted above, Finnish units inside of Finland will not suffer from winter damage.

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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/13/2017 2:42:55 PM   
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Just to add to Hubert's comments, there is some national specificity in the area around Leningrad to prevent Finnish units being affected there. This specificity would also protect some other countries' units if they served in the area, e.g. Norwegian or Swedish.

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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/13/2017 3:12:47 PM   
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Thanks for the correction Bill

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RE: Finnish troops take winter damage??? - 9/14/2017 11:01:00 AM   
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Thanks for clarification.

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