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Naval Combat-- Radar Effectiveness & Spotting Planes - 6/20/2017 12:58:27 AM   
Lowpe


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I just was involved in two knock down drag out fights between Japanese CA and 3 Yank Light Cruisers (Two Brooklyns, no less).

It is Jan of 1942 so no radar.

The Japanese cruisers manhandled the Yanks, most likely sinking all three.

Now, I have fought Brooklyns in 43 and they are incredibly tough beasts...does their radar upgrades improve their gunfire that much? Now the difference in surface radar is only a plus 10 in accuracy for the Allies (60 to 70) while the Japanese radar has a slight edge in distance (37 to 35). Effect is the same.

Now before you jump on the experience bandwagon, these three Yank light cruisers have been in a lot of fights (despite the early date) and I bet had decent experience...but it could be an answer or at least part of the answer. Weather, moonlight, commanders are also likely contributors.

I also had quite a lot of floatplanes flying night naval search...and I wonder how well that helped the combat? Would setting floatplanes to 0 range and 100% night naval search help the fight even more...or is range superfluous since they will search a few hexes no matter what?

Or does the aerial night naval search just help with gaining surprise? (or avoiding it)

I have read by credible sources (Alfred) that the first salvo depends upon visual spotting and only then does the radar kick in and my rough understanding is that DL are constantly changing during naval fights but how constantly changing and what impacts that change is murky to me.

Does anybody have any further knowledge? I seem to think there might be boosts to Allied Naval Gunfire coded in at certain dates to reflect how accurate they do become...








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RE: Naval Combat-- Radar Effectiveness & Spotting Planes - 6/20/2017 2:27:20 AM   
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Read this thread:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3819133&mpage=1&key=fire%2Ccontrol&#3819873

Look for my post (with the hyperlink provided) and Symon's posts.

There is no naval fire control algorithm in AE.  Allied gunnery does get much better in 1943.  The improvement abstracts several historical advances which benefitted Allied ships.  It is hard coded and is not dependent on radar.

In AE, surface radar is effectively a "hack" into the DL code.  The first naval combat round is fired after visual sighting is made but the radar assists in determining whether "crossing the T" occurs and the constantly affected DL to identify the presence of enemy ships.  In combat not all enemy ships present are identified and they will not be targeted until identified ie their DL is established.

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RE: Naval Combat-- Radar Effectiveness & Spotting Planes - 6/20/2017 9:09:34 PM   
Lowpe


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Thanks Alfred!

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