Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
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Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
Back to the dark side (nothing to see with the current french poll [;)])
I play the axis side for the first time for at least a year. So I'm rather rusty.
Mild blizzard, random weather, +1 bonus for Russia, limited sea invasion, no paradrops.
We will begin on turn 4.
North / Center
My first aim was to breach the landbridge. It's done. Russian army tries to build a line from Pskov to Smolensk.
South
Classical Lvov Pocket. I sent 2/3 of Pzg Guderian in the South. Some interesting encirclements.
The losses
I play the axis side for the first time for at least a year. So I'm rather rusty.
Mild blizzard, random weather, +1 bonus for Russia, limited sea invasion, no paradrops.
We will begin on turn 4.
North / Center
My first aim was to breach the landbridge. It's done. Russian army tries to build a line from Pskov to Smolensk.
South
Classical Lvov Pocket. I sent 2/3 of Pzg Guderian in the South. Some interesting encirclements.
The losses
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
Very interesting. no rush for Leningrad. or will you try the right hook strategy?
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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
Looking forward to another one of your AARs.
The Library of Gary Grigsby's War in the East resources.
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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
I usually drived hard through Pskov and Novgorod and wanted to try somenthing else.ORIGINAL: bigbaba
Very interesting. no rush for Leningrad. or will you try the right hook strategy?
We are only turn 8 so no spoil
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
ThanksORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
Looking forward to another one of your AARs.
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
turn 4 after my moves in the center. Russian units South of VK are in great danger. See in Riga the Pzd arriving from the south
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
ORIGINAL: STEF78
I usually drived hard through Pskov and Novgorod and wanted to try somenthing else.ORIGINAL: bigbaba
Very interesting. no rush for Leningrad. or will you try the right hook strategy?
We are only turn 8 so no spoil
always great to see new ways and tactics in new AAR's. Maybe blitzing Moscow is the new trend.
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This looks very familiar Stef78 ;-P
German Turn 1 opening moves. The post that keeps on giving https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 1&t=390004
RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
This looks very familiar Stef78 ;-P
True! i'm always open to bright ideas.
I used 2nd Pzg one more turn in the South. It allowed me to grasp some extra units near kiev. and i'm surely less keen on logistics than you [;)]
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
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ORIGINAL: STEF78
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
This looks very familiar Stef78 ;-P
True! i'm always open to bright ideas.
I used 2nd Pzg one more turn in the South. It allowed me to grasp some extra units near kiev. and i'm surely less keen on logistics than you [;)]
You are doing very well for turn 4 I'm ready to see some more of your eye candy on this AAR. As always it is a pleasure reading your well done AAR's
German Turn 1 opening moves. The post that keeps on giving https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 1&t=390004
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Good to see all that elan on show Stef
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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
i guess HardLuckYetAgain sets the standards for axis gameplay. he is the new pelton but more friendly.
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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
One has to credit Pelton for showing what he did in AARs while Hardluck only did so recently.
I think the consensus was that MichealT is the best both at Germans and Soviet but Hardlucks tweaks to the Moscow first approach are excellent as well.
I think the consensus was that MichealT is the best both at Germans and Soviet but Hardlucks tweaks to the Moscow first approach are excellent as well.
The Library of Gary Grigsby's War in the East resources.
Do you want total war? Guide for WitE players
WitE2&RtW3 tester
Do you want total war? Guide for WitE players
WitE2&RtW3 tester
RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
+1ORIGINAL: bigbaba
... but more friendly...
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
I never played Michail T but I also think that he is the best player I've seen on this forum.ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
One has to credit Pelton for showing what he did in AARs while Hardluck only did so recently.
I think the consensus was that MichealT is the best both at Germans and Soviet but Hardlucks tweaks to the Moscow first approach are excellent as well.
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
Hi.
As i'am allowed to post here thanks to Steph, a small word from the soviet forces :
We will prevail !!! [:D]
Now real informations :
In this game i decided to be very flexible in the opening. So i did not started with a specific plan.
I did not rail troops from south to north in the opening or things like that.
My purpose was to aim for the long term. I was not confident in my ability to defend something that the german really wanted (especially in case of moscow rush or things like that).
So i did not wanted to commit everything (and loose everything) to defend a critical objective from start, like moscow or lenigrad.
There are no critical objectives. Except Stalingrad of course.
As i'am allowed to post here thanks to Steph, a small word from the soviet forces :
We will prevail !!! [:D]
Now real informations :
In this game i decided to be very flexible in the opening. So i did not started with a specific plan.
I did not rail troops from south to north in the opening or things like that.
My purpose was to aim for the long term. I was not confident in my ability to defend something that the german really wanted (especially in case of moscow rush or things like that).
So i did not wanted to commit everything (and loose everything) to defend a critical objective from start, like moscow or lenigrad.
There are no critical objectives. Except Stalingrad of course.
Brakes are for cowards !!
Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
Turn 5, 17th July 1941
In the center, russian troops are retreating....
... but not fast enough near VK.
In the South, I wasn't enough careful and Stelteck is able to create a nasty corridor
In the center, russian troops are retreating....
... but not fast enough near VK.
In the South, I wasn't enough careful and Stelteck is able to create a nasty corridor
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
turn 6, 24th july 1941
Stelteck gives ground in order to avoid encirclement. I do my best to keep pressure on.
Center
Pocketed units are abandoned to their fate.
I drive as hard as possible in the direction of Moscow
South
Retreat in order of russian units
Nothing subtile because of fuel shortage, I hammer Kirivograd
Stelteck gives ground in order to avoid encirclement. I do my best to keep pressure on.
Center
Pocketed units are abandoned to their fate.
I drive as hard as possible in the direction of Moscow
South
Retreat in order of russian units
Nothing subtile because of fuel shortage, I hammer Kirivograd
GHC 9-0-3
SHC 10-0-4
SHC 10-0-4
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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
I look forward to learning a few secrets
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RE: Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome
At this level of the game, i was quite happy with the situation south where i had some options to delay the ennemy.
Center was in difficult situation, with not much i could do.
North quite peacefull, for now.
Factories evacuation looked good. I especially evacuated first 100% vehicules and the full T-34 factory of karkhov. (But this last one will not be so usefull as i discovered that separate tank bataillon mostly use light tanks, and so i have no use of spare T-34 [:'(]. And my light tank production is very small for know. Damn soviet planners !!!).
Last point.
I really love playing with the +1 soviet attack bonus(mild blizzard). It changes the mindset of the game for both of us in my opinion.
Instead of thinking "i'am doomed" let's mitigate the damage, i have tactical option to bite my ennemy and it make a game much more fun. I can think of limited counter attack.
The german also have to be carefull.
What is funny is when i performed some local counter attack, i discovered that in fact, the +1 bonus was not needed as my victory odds were better than > 2.0. So it was mostly a psychological help. But psychology change everything as i can try things that i would have considered too risky without it.
Center was in difficult situation, with not much i could do.
North quite peacefull, for now.
Factories evacuation looked good. I especially evacuated first 100% vehicules and the full T-34 factory of karkhov. (But this last one will not be so usefull as i discovered that separate tank bataillon mostly use light tanks, and so i have no use of spare T-34 [:'(]. And my light tank production is very small for know. Damn soviet planners !!!).
Last point.
I really love playing with the +1 soviet attack bonus(mild blizzard). It changes the mindset of the game for both of us in my opinion.
Instead of thinking "i'am doomed" let's mitigate the damage, i have tactical option to bite my ennemy and it make a game much more fun. I can think of limited counter attack.
The german also have to be carefull.
What is funny is when i performed some local counter attack, i discovered that in fact, the +1 bonus was not needed as my victory odds were better than > 2.0. So it was mostly a psychological help. But psychology change everything as i can try things that i would have considered too risky without it.
Brakes are for cowards !!