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RE: Christmas Update - 1/6/2018 2:54:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

I've always fancied a large-scale raid on Ceylon as Japan: turn up, land five divisions, wipe out everything Allied on the island then sail away, but I've never felt it would be worth the fuel and possible losses.



I've always wanted to do exactly the same thing! Someday!


Considering your meticulous nature in planning operations, that makes me feel a great deal better! I've always had the feeling that it might just be my natural recklessness bleeding through into the game.


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ORIGINAL: Anomander Rake

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Most IJN fighter squadrons using the Zero can be resized to size 81, and divided into 27 plane components. Whereas previously I used all three detachments in combat, I'm going to try to keep the absolute best for the front lines.

It is gamey, isn't it? Mechanics of resizing is for flexibility of aviation groups on aircraft carriers. Game hasn't possibility to freely create air forces.
For example not carrier capable air forces (like army air forces) can't be freely resized. So, IMHO resizing mechanich should be limited. Actions as in the quote (resizing and dividing to to increase the quantity air groups) are especially against the game.
My english isn't very good, sorry for it.


Your English is quite excellent, so don't be sorry for it!

I hope the thread in the main forum has gave you a more in-depth discussion than you would otherwise get here, but as others have said, it is a trade-off between several factors, and not just a one-sided advantage.


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Resize is up to the players.

The game imposes its own limits on IJ: supply. more aircraft in play use more supply per turn, and IJ rapidly will hit supply limits and the economy crash. In my games (against AI), I limit operational groups to 49, training groups can be larger. The reason for that is simple: 49 was a common size for IJ groups, and was apparently their target size. It was NOT used universally, but as best I can determine it was due to pilot/aircraft shortages, not intent. Think of it like the Brits Dowding vs Park; Dowding believed in small squadrons that were nimble, Park believed in large 'wings' that could impact. IJ appeared to be more the Park thought, but never had enough of anything to always do it. Noteworthy: neither did the Brits and Dowding won out. ;)

Anyway, sorry for the digression. With supply being a limiting factor, the whole resize question is mostly moot except for impact upon pilot training. Again for me, my opponent Andy AI gets new pilots in at +60 exp (and the number are essentially limitless) ... to effectively combat that, I need all the training I can get.


That's more or less my own take on the issue. 81 size groups are clumsy for operational use, but I see no reason to use larger groups for training purposes. If I've the planes in the pools and the willingness to trade supply for a more expedient pilot training program, then that's a fair trade in my view.

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RE: Christmas Update - 1/6/2018 3:35:49 PM   
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I hope the thread in the main forum has gave you a more in-depth discussion than you would otherwise get here, but as others have said, it is a trade-off between several factors, and not just a one-sided advantage.

Thank you for your answer. I really don't like this aspect of the game. Both for my and my opponent side.
You should remember that you can resize some units and it gives you advantage in the first phase of war but your opponent can do this same when when he gets more Corsairs.
Both things give unnecessary advantage of the stronger side.
Anyway good luck.

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RE: Rematch: Ragnarök - mind_messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 1/18/2018 4:31:03 PM   
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Home Islands

I'm starting to sort out dispositions here, even if it is very early to be doing so. Currently, all available engineers are heading to vital bases with static aviation support to build up the airbase and fortification levels.

I've also marshaled the restricted squadrons in the Home Islands and Manchuria to concentrate my pilot training program by location. I've combined all the squadrons that can be combined and placed high INSP leaders to bump along training. Lots of fighters and floatplanes (to be more once I rotate a CS back to Japan to resize them), less so other types, but that will change in due course.

China

Still not got the rail-line to Hankow open, which is stalling my operations. Once Hankow can take rail traffic, I'll be moving a significant chunk of the Manchurian Army to smash into Changsha.

Wenchow should be seized shortly, thanks to two divisions from Manchuria.

I've a tank force preparing to push on Sian, along with a division and a brigade to back it up.

Still puttering about in South China with limited units, but should hopefully make some progress soon.

Luzon

Clark is bottled up, and I've left the artillery, a division and the 65th Brigade to keep the Allies pinned down. Everything else is being pulled out to regroup on Minadano, then on to Java.

Malaya

I've mucked up the timetable here something awful, and it's been a slow slog down towards Singapore, but we're getting somewhere now. Bombing of Singers has begun, and but I'll need to regroup before crossing the causeway.

South Pacific

Fiji invasion force is en-route, but the seizure of New Caledonia and Norfolk Island seems to have rattled Loka, as the USN are sputtering around the island being a nuisance. I'm considering sending the KB swinging past New Zealand to see if they can't catch some of the CA's and CL's present here, but it's cutting in to my DEI invasion timetable...

DEI

Good progress here: Balikipapan is due to fall shortly, as is Kendrai. Ambon is Japanese. Timor is likely up next.

Currently, I'm considering a east-to-west invasion from Timor, through Java into Sumatra. Reason being is that Loka has been very keen to strategic bomb the oil as soon as it is captured, so giving him as little scope as possible to bomb Palembang is critical.

Not seen much from the Allies in terms of naval strength, so either he's ran away (unlikely) or he's digging in somewhere (almost certain). I've been burned once by USN CV's in the DEI, so the pressure is on to wrap up Fiji and get the KB over to where the real valuable bases are.

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RE: Rematch: Ragnarök - mind_messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/8/2018 10:34:21 PM   
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Reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated. I've had a busy few months at the start of the year, followed by complete computer meltdown at the end of last month. Thankfully I've got a brand new build on the go so I hope to crank turns out with Loka as soon as I've the new PC configured for AE!

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RE: Christmas Update - 5/9/2018 2:46:36 PM   
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North Pacific

The first whiff of American aircraft carriers since the start of the war materializes here, with long-range floatplanes from Adak spotting USN carrier forces to the south!



Given the fact that the KB is off Noumea covering the Fiji operation, it looks like Loka is attempting a rehash of his famous NorPac raid. This time I doubt he'll have as much fun, as I've already got plenty of aircraft In the area.

More are transferring from the PI, including crack Betty and Zero squadrons.

Central Pacific

Fairly quiet here today, need to start moving supplies up to the front as the first wave of invasions has depleted the rear-area depots.

South-West Pacific

We attack the Allied garrison at Suva and don't do amazingly, getting only a 1 to 2 attack odds. I'm shifting the Guards Mixed Bde. over from Noumea to support, and once Suva falls, will ship the 4th Division to garrison New Caledonia.

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Ground combat at Suva (132,160)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13108 troops, 114 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 447

Defending force 9940 troops, 140 guns, 59 vehicles, Assault Value = 244

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 179

Allied adjusted defense: 217

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
235 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
377 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 40 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Division

Defending units:
9th Australian Brigade
8th NZ Brigade
114th USAAF Base Force
115th USAAF Base Force
131st Field Artillery Battalion
147th Field Artillery Regiment
148th Field Artillery Battalion
1st RNZAF Base Force


Small units are sweeping up the dot hexes in the region, so we should be in firm control here shortly.

DEI

We've got Balikpapan under firm control, and I've sent most of the IJN ships in the area to disband in port, with the exception of the DD's, which are hunting the Dutch submarine force that has concentrated off Balikipapan.

Once they've been driven off, I'll conduct landings on the rest of Borneo and ramp up the air campaign against Java. Currently it's limited to Zero sweeps from Balikipapan. The actual invasion of Java will need to wait till Singapore falls.

Malaya

Still routine here, with IJA units one hex out from Singapore. We'll deal with the straglers blocking the railroads and then concentrate for the big push over the causeway.

Burma

I've sent a number of spare engineers and aviation support to northern Thailand, in the hope of opening up the air war here in a week or so once the airbases expand. As it stands, the IJA has occupied the pan-handle but I'm waiting for big reinforcements before advancing further.

China

Not much of note other than regular bombings.

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RE: Rematch: Ragnarök - mind_messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/9/2018 2:54:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

Reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated. I've had a busy few months at the start of the year, followed by complete computer meltdown at the end of last month. Thankfully I've got a brand new build on the go so I hope to crank turns out with Loka as soon as I've the new PC configured for AE!


Ah. Good to see this is happening still and see you posting. Look forward to another epic struggle.

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RE: Rematch: Ragnarök - mind_messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/9/2018 6:30:16 PM   
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+1

Am wondering why he would de-cloak his CV's so close to Adak .... he must know they will be spotted ...

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RE: Rematch: Ragnarök - mind_messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/9/2018 6:43:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

Reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated. I've had a busy few months at the start of the year, followed by complete computer meltdown at the end of last month. Thankfully I've got a brand new build on the go so I hope to crank turns out with Loka as soon as I've the new PC configured for AE!


Ah. Good to see this is happening still and see you posting. Look forward to another epic struggle.


It's good to be back, but it's hard getting back into it. I can't remember half of what should be going where!


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

+1

Am wondering why he would de-cloak his CV's so close to Adak .... he must know they will be spotted ...


He ended up attacking the port at Adak with a strike that did absolutely nothing due to bad weather. I've a AF unit and some floatplanes on the island, so maybe it's just a soft target for him to attack in Jan '42...?

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RE: Rematch: Ragnarök - mind_messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/9/2018 6:45:46 PM   
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Maybe ... maybe his intel was poor and wanted to see ... just bothering me he used the asset he did. He's a better player than that ... so either something nefarious or a complete oops .... time will tell.

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RE: Rematch: Ragnarök - mind_messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/9/2018 7:02:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Maybe ... maybe his intel was poor and wanted to see ... just bothering me he used the asset he did. He's a better player than that ... so either something nefarious or a complete oops .... time will tell.


Currently my thinking is that he was trying to ambush my shipping up here, such as it was (a xAK and a PB carrying the AF unit, and a AV).

Potentially he could be covering for a quick and nasty counter-invasion of Adak, or knew I had floatplanes on the go and wanted to attrition them.

Or it's a mistake from not playing this game in a couple months.

Given that it's Loka, I'm inclined to think the former.

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RE: Rematch: Ragnarök - mind_messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/10/2018 3:00:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Maybe ... maybe his intel was poor and wanted to see ... just bothering me he used the asset he did. He's a better player than that ... so either something nefarious or a complete oops .... time will tell.


Currently my thinking is that he was trying to ambush my shipping up here, such as it was (a xAK and a PB carrying the AF unit, and a AV).

Potentially he could be covering for a quick and nasty counter-invasion of Adak, or knew I had floatplanes on the go and wanted to attrition them.

Or it's a mistake from not playing this game in a couple months.

Given that it's Loka, I'm inclined to think the former.

Not disagreeing with any of it, and you certainly know him best having played him. It's just, except for a counter-invasion, those all seem like poor reasons to expose the location of the USN CV's at this point.
If it is a counter-invasion, then he really messed up his timing, and he's too good a player for that ...

So, my spidey-sense is piqued ...






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RE: Rematch: Ragnarök - mind_messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/10/2018 7:58:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Maybe ... maybe his intel was poor and wanted to see ... just bothering me he used the asset he did. He's a better player than that ... so either something nefarious or a complete oops .... time will tell.


Currently my thinking is that he was trying to ambush my shipping up here, such as it was (a xAK and a PB carrying the AF unit, and a AV).

Potentially he could be covering for a quick and nasty counter-invasion of Adak, or knew I had floatplanes on the go and wanted to attrition them.

Or it's a mistake from not playing this game in a couple months.

Given that it's Loka, I'm inclined to think the former.

Not disagreeing with any of it, and you certainly know him best having played him. It's just, except for a counter-invasion, those all seem like poor reasons to expose the location of the USN CV's at this point.
If it is a counter-invasion, then he really messed up his timing, and he's too good a player for that ...

So, my spidey-sense is piqued ...







Or he wants the Japanese to see the Allied CVs, knowing this forces some contingencies for defence of the Aleuts, Kuriles and even the Home Islands. If there is little danger here, the KB is known to be far away, it's actually a good strategic move to show the CVs.

If they now move into the deep Pacific to the SW you have to consider all kinds of options, all of which mean you have to allocate some forces to areas that don't help you invade the DEI quickly.

EDIT: Reading back, you say exactly this a few posts back considering how to deal with the USN near Fiji

quote:


South Pacific

Fiji invasion force is en-route, but the seizure of New Caledonia and Norfolk Island seems to have rattled Loka, as the USN are sputtering around the island being a nuisance. I'm considering sending the KB swinging past New Zealand to see if they can't catch some of the CA's and CL's present here, but it's cutting in to my DEI invasion timetable...


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RE: Rematch: Ragnarök - mind_messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 5/12/2018 12:38:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Maybe ... maybe his intel was poor and wanted to see ... just bothering me he used the asset he did. He's a better player than that ... so either something nefarious or a complete oops .... time will tell.


Currently my thinking is that he was trying to ambush my shipping up here, such as it was (a xAK and a PB carrying the AF unit, and a AV).

Potentially he could be covering for a quick and nasty counter-invasion of Adak, or knew I had floatplanes on the go and wanted to attrition them.

Or it's a mistake from not playing this game in a couple months.

Given that it's Loka, I'm inclined to think the former.

Not disagreeing with any of it, and you certainly know him best having played him. It's just, except for a counter-invasion, those all seem like poor reasons to expose the location of the USN CV's at this point.
If it is a counter-invasion, then he really messed up his timing, and he's too good a player for that ...

So, my spidey-sense is piqued ...







Or he wants the Japanese to see the Allied CVs, knowing this forces some contingencies for defence of the Aleuts, Kuriles and even the Home Islands. If there is little danger here, the KB is known to be far away, it's actually a good strategic move to show the CVs.

If they now move into the deep Pacific to the SW you have to consider all kinds of options, all of which mean you have to allocate some forces to areas that don't help you invade the DEI quickly.

EDIT: Reading back, you say exactly this a few posts back considering how to deal with the USN near Fiji

quote:


South Pacific

Fiji invasion force is en-route, but the seizure of New Caledonia and Norfolk Island seems to have rattled Loka, as the USN are sputtering around the island being a nuisance. I'm considering sending the KB swinging past New Zealand to see if they can't catch some of the CA's and CL's present here, but it's cutting in to my DEI invasion timetable...


Exactly ... I'm thinking some sort of deception ... not sure what though ... just feels off

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RE: Christmas Update - 6/5/2018 11:06:33 AM   
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Having exhausted my google-fu, does anyone have a copy of the optimum organization for tankers loading fuel and oil in the DEI?

I think it was orginally NYGiants (?) that had it, and it broke down what tanker types, how many and where was best to run them to?

Thanks!

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RE: Christmas Update - 6/6/2018 2:23:12 PM   
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North Pacific

The Allied CV force up here vanishes, and I manage to run in a few hundred supply points to Adak, giving me a nice forward search capability here for the foreseeable future.

I've started getting eyes out in to the Kuriles as well, and I've plans in place to get the Japanese bases on Sakhilin well developed before the year is out.

Central Pacific

Not much of note here, bar this nice windfall on Feb 3rd...

quote:

Sub attack near French Frigate Shoal at 175,95

Japanese Ships
SS I-9

Allied Ships
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 2
DD Perkins
DD Downes
DD Cassin
DD Tucker
DD Reid


No sign of serious damage, but a fleet CV out of the fight is always a big plus. I'll see if we can't get another hole in her as she straggles back to Pearl.

South-West Pacific

Interesting events are taking place here.

Suva fails to fall, and the Allied enclave on Fiji clings on. The Allies are reinforcing, which I'm overjoyed at seeing. The current situation is that the ground battle is stalemated - one IJA division and the Guards Mixed Brigade can't dislodge a US Infantry division and assorted units and vice versa.

At sea, we have this stunning IJN attack on US transports off Fiji:

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Suva at 132,160, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
MTB G-7

Allied Ships
APD Waters
AVP Pelican
AVP Thrush
AP Wharton
AP Harris, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP Tasker H. Bliss, Shell hits 1
AP Henry T. Allen
AP President Jackson, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AP President Monroe
AP President Polk, on fire
AK Bellatrix
AK Betelgeuse
AK Arcturus
PC Kimball


Elsewhere, Jakes flying from Nadi on Fiji put bombs into a few more AK, and Netties flying from Noumea put bombs into another AK in the region.

Things are shaping up much as I'd hoped. I'm holding the KB at Truk, waiting for the oilers to collect fuel from Balikipapan and two divisions to arrive from China. At which point, the Combined Fleet will sortie and land two more divisions on Fiji and push the Americans back into the sea before withdrawing the divisions back to Rabual.

In the interm, I've sent a collection of support ships and a light crusier force to Noumea to assist in interdicting Allied efforts to reinforce Fiji. I'm glad that we've found the Allied line in the sand, as I'm in a good position to attrition it on my terms over the next six months.

DEI/Malaya

The IJA doomstack is just outside Singapore, waiting for the last few units to rejoin before crossing the causeway. I want to maximimze the inital assault so as to hopefully keep casualties low and the battle short.

We're taking the first steps towards a landing on Java, with units gathering to invade Dempasser to serve as the stepping stone on to Java itself. I'll likely leave Java until Singapore has fallen, or I may just take a coastal hex and wait before moving inland.

Burma

Still not moving here, as I'm in no rush. The AVG are still kicking around so we're taking care to not get ambushed.

China

Singyang falls at last, breaking Chinese resistance in the central plains. The IJA's tanks chase them down, as the infantry and artillery moves towards Changsha to break open the centre of the Chinese position.

Meanwhile, the advance towards Sian has became something of a meatgrinder, which again suits me. I've additional artillery en-route from Manchuria to help effect a breakthrough.



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RE: Rematch: Ragnarök - mind_messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 6/14/2018 1:19:44 PM   
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Update time as I'm procrastinating from more important things.

North Pacific

Back to the usual quiet up here, no Allied shipping in sight.

Central Pacific

All quiet here as well, though I did get a sig-int hit from an open ocean hex east of Christmas Island. Possibily carriers or a convoy?

South-West Pacific

USN crusiers spotted and attacked by IJN bombers from Noumea, but they've not had any luck with bombs due to bad weather.

I've got some aviation support moving in to Nadi, so I'll be able to get some fighters in and then start working on the airbase. Considering the stalemated situation on the island, keeping the Americans from supporting Suva will be key, and so far we've done a decent job.



Malaya

I'm ready to cross the straits with some 4k AV, 9 divisions in total. Hopefully we'll smash the Allied defending troops on the first shock attack.

As can be seen, I've already the shipping in place once Singers falls to start getting things moving elsewhere.



DEI

We're moving on Denpasser as the first step to taking Java. Tanks are moving to take Makassar, while the IJN will land troops and airbase units on Denpasser to use that base to support landing operations in the next two weeks.

We land on Timor also, taking Latuem.



China

Two major IJA concentrations are moving towards Sian and Changsha respectively. The Sian front is a bit disconnected, but I hope to be able to break through to the open hexes to the east of Sian while the majority of the KMT strength is stuck in the woods. If I can bypass these units and take Sian from behind, it will be much less of a hassle than smashing them out of the woods conventionally.

Changsha will probably be a bloody affair, but there's nothing to be done and it's the key to getting the south section of the Chinese road network up and operational.

I've already pulled a couple of battered units from the frontlines to be sent to the Pacific front; there's currently a full strength division due to be sent to Fiji and a battered division with a poor TOE that I've earmarked for NorPac (likely Sakhilin's garrison).




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