Belgium CP issue in Morroco

[Majorball68]

Situation is Germans have collapsed Vichy. I have ended up with an out of supply Belgium CP that doesnt cooperate with anyone blocking a Morrocon port. It should be OOS and it can't be reorg either. How can you edit the save file to get rid of it?

File attached

[Joseignacio]

How's it that the Belgian CP doesn't cooperate with anybody? It should cooperate with Fre France or CW...

[Centuur]

I've got a couple of questions:

1. When Belgium was attacked in the early game, did it align to the CW or France?
2. Was the Belgian convoy point already in Morocco when Vichy France was collapsed by Germany?
3. Who controlled Morocco before Vichy France was collapsed by Germany?

These answers are needed to determine what exactly is going wrong here. There are quite some rules which have to do with minor country units and foreign troop commitment....

Any chance of a gamesave from just before the collapse of Vichy France?

And finally: where should I put the Belgian convoy point (to fix things for you)?

[Majorball68]

1. Aligned with France
2. It looked liked the CP was captured by Vichy at fall of France.
3. It was Vichy controlled.

Save just before Vichy.

CP to Belgium Congo or destroy either one. Is it simple to explain how I can edit the file to get rid of it?

[Centuur]

The Belgian convoy point seems to be captured by Vichy France, if I look at your gamesave from before the collapse of France. This means that the Belgian convoy point at the moment of collapsing Vichy becomes a Free French convoy point.

RAW:

All on map Vichy naval units are now Free French. Treat each of them
in a home country or territory now controlled by an Axis major power
as if it had been surprised when overrun (see 11.11.6).

So it's a mistake to replace the captured Belgian Vichy controlled convoy with a Belgian one. It should become a French convoy.

Saved game for Steve (I advanced to the start of the Land movement phase):

[Centuur]

I've corrected the game for you, using debug tools. I had to undo the CW naval moves, before I changed the convoy point:

[Majorball68]

Thank you Centuur.

Did you correct the save I sent prior to Vichy collapse or the save I originally posted ?

Preference would be the save I originally posted so we could continue on from that point.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Majorball68

Situation is Germans have collapsed Vichy. I have ended up with an out of supply Belgium CP that doesnt cooperate with anyone blocking a Morrocon port. It should be OOS and it can't be reorg either. How can you edit the save file to get rid of it?

File attached

This is not a bug.

France controls the unit but has no oil to reorganize it. Furthermore, France does not cooperate with China or the Commonwealth, so it can't use their oil either.

The solution - playing by the rules of the game - is for the Commonwealth to Lend oil to France so it can reorganize the unit.

Sorry, but dems da rules.

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: Majorball68

Situation is Germans have collapsed Vichy. I have ended up with an out of supply Belgium CP that doesnt cooperate with anyone blocking a Morrocon port. It should be OOS and it can't be reorg either. How can you edit the save file to get rid of it?

File attached

This is not a bug.

France controls the unit but has no oil to reorganize it. Furthermore, France does not cooperate with China or the Commonwealth, so it can't use their oil either.

The solution - playing by the rules of the game - is for the Commonwealth to Lend oil to France so it can reorganize the unit.

Sorry, but dems da rules.

But Steve, the convoy point should not become Belgian again. It should become Free French, according to the rules:

RAW on the collapse of Vichy (17.4):

Move all Vichy land and aircraft units in Metropolitan Vichy France
to the Free French force pools. All other Vichy land and aircraft units
are now Free French.

(...)

All on map Vichy naval units are now Free French. Treat each of them
in a home country or territory now controlled by an Axis major power
as if it had been surprised when overrun (see 11.11.6).

And there's the fact that the Free French cooperate with the CW, which isn't changed when Vichy is collapsed. So this is a bug...

RAW:


Commonwealth and Free French units co-operate.