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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 6/27/2017 9:02:56 PM   
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Actually, this is somewhat great, since if simulates perfectly the "friction of command".

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 6/28/2017 1:59:32 PM   
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Ok, turn done.
IMPORTANT message to Hortlund: There are two airborne brigades at 83,80. They are yours as you ordered to move the airborne brigades out of the line.
At 183, 86 are three units who are rady for combat but not yet on a rail. Same for two divisions of the Caucasus military district. Not sure what you plan with the suprlus rail cap so I left them in place.
If you don't need the 21 remaining APs please assign Leonid Govorov to the 23rd army! I need a good commander there, its crucial for the defense of Leningrad.

I executed the retreat order at the Dnepr as good as possible, some untis were caught by interdicition.
I tried to set up an army structure for southwestern front as most were attached directly to it.
In addition I moved out a few units in the swamps by rail which were in danger of being cut off. I know, its the kind of initiative which is dangerous in Russia.
Many armies/fronts in the south are completely overloaded with support units.


IMPORTANT message to all:
Could we please introduce a rule that if a front hasn't been done 4 days after being uploaded on the dropbox, any other player can play the front by default. The slow turns really kill this game and are unfair to the German side which is quite quick. It were great if you could express your opinion about that.
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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 6/28/2017 4:12:24 PM   
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Good job, I have sent the turn to the krauts.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/7/2017 10:05:18 AM   
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Turn 7

Orders will follow in a couple of hours.




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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/7/2017 11:18:54 AM   
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I wont get orders, but a court martial I fear. Please don't hand
me over to the copyright lawyers!
Honestly, I didnt saw this coming. I really have to go back to T6 and look for mistakes.

Edit: I had a look, and I really screwed up. I see at least 5 units which were at the wrong place and which could have made the pockets not impossible to achieve, but less tight.
Also completely wrong assessment of the situation on my side, I completely ignored the fact that the infantry can open the holes for the panzers. Sorry guys.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/12/2017 1:27:33 PM   
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Turn is in the dropbox. Continue as per previous orders.

STAVKA has performed a paradrop to open a pocket in the north. This will only delay the inevitable however.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/12/2017 6:09:32 PM   
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T7 Center done.

Western Front commander fears that minor disaster in north is threatening his northern flank. Otherwise situation seems to be under control. All quiet in Western Front.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/13/2017 7:47:28 AM   
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Southern front. Are you still with us? If I dont see a reply in 48 hours, you are out.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/13/2017 11:51:51 AM   
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A quick analysis on what caused the disaster in the northern and northwestern area and what to learn from this.
The turn went very bad in this area with 200 000 men trapped (100 000 men loss per turn as the pocket has been reopened).
In T6 I somewhat ignored the fact that the infantry is able to break the first line for the Panzers. According to recon, my two fronts had to bear the might of 3 panzer groups completely alone. In addition, I did some small tactical mistakes which added up, a quick analysis below.
The overall amount of forces commited at Leningrad is too few to hold, but too much for a simple delaying action.
At Velikie Luki it would have been better if I simply had outrun the German infantry, given the forcees availaible at T6. I decided to hold here because its good defensible terrain at a first look and its loss opens the northern route to Moscow or even the possibility of a super right hook to Leningrad (with logistics being difficult in this case).
Numbers:
1) The hexagon is overdefended. An attacker going through this has to cross two rivers for a deep penetration
2) The NKVD unit might block a stronger unit to retreat there. It could have been used for more depth in the defense.
3) Units "on train" have very bad CV multipliers when attacked. Unfortunately, I was unable to unload them due to lack of MPs.




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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/13/2017 12:14:55 PM   
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Any hints how to make images less monstrous?
Is it possible to upload more than one image per post without external (unreliable) image hosters? IIRC some people get more than two pictures in one post without using external sevices.

A peer review for our defences to avoid such things in the future. So every front is looked over by another front commander after all have done their turn.

I will play my turn now.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/13/2017 12:35:17 PM   
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I use paintshop for my images, there you can merge several screenshots into one picture.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/13/2017 1:22:03 PM   
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Any hints how to make images less monstrous?



I open the image in the "paint" program on windows and resize the image. Normally say 60% resize then repost the image.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/13/2017 1:33:55 PM   
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Turn done.
I will resize my images next time.

Important message to Hortlund/Sardaukar
Due to the southern one of the big pockets, the NW front cannot cover the northern approach to Moscow and needs assistance of the central front. The front between Chernigov and Bryansk is far from any railheads (bad for panzers), maybe a general north-shift of the Central front can clsoe the gap. There are some quiet spots where units are double or even triple stacked.
If some excess units were there, a checkerboard in Front of the main line at the volga/Rshev would be helpful as well.
This must not be forgotten as there is a major gap in the frontline now!

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/13/2017 4:56:52 PM   
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Turn done.
I will resize my images next time.

Important message to Hortlund/Sardaukar
Due to the southern one of the big pockets, the NW front cannot cover the northern approach to Moscow and needs assistance of the central front. The front between Chernigov and Bryansk is far from any railheads (bad for panzers), maybe a general north-shift of the Central front can clsoe the gap. There are some quiet spots where units are double or even triple stacked.
If some excess units were there, a checkerboard in Front of the main line at the volga/Rshev would be helpful as well.
This must not be forgotten as there is a major gap in the frontline now!


I'll scramble whatever I can to seal the gap. I also think STAVKA might have some reserves, which IMHO should also be used to seal the gap. But I think our main concern now is to defend Moscow...and I might have to do major withdrawal to ensure that.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/13/2017 5:09:45 PM   
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Thanks sardaukar!
By closing the gap you also defend Moscow as it is on the direct route.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/20/2017 1:38:48 PM   
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As said in the thread for both sides I have to pause playing WitE for some time, I am fine if you hire a permanent or temporary replacement commander.
What about the commander of the Southern front? As my last action for some time I can do his turn today or tomorrow?

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/22/2017 10:48:14 PM   
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I did the turn for the Southern Front and tried to close the gap between the Northern and the Central Front.
I had to send the turn by E-Mail as I had problems with the dropbox (to ox.....@gmail.com
As already said I have to leave the team for some time, please replace me with another commander for now.
You will need to recruit two new leaders Hortlund!
Regards and good luck with the defence

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/23/2017 2:45:16 PM   
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If you have the save available and give me access, I'll look it over and decide if it's something I can manage for the time EvK is on the reserve officers list.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/24/2017 7:06:52 AM   
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Please pm me with you E-Mail so I can send you the save (or Hortlund adds you to the dropbox)
Regards

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/24/2017 11:34:11 PM   
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I looked over the save and this is something that I can take over for a while.

Is the turn really done except for sending it? There is still 86k in railcap unused.

I'll send a more detailed view of the Northwestern Direction later.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/24/2017 11:43:37 PM   
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Sometimes Hortlund does factory evac before, sometimes after the front commanders have done their moves.
Managing factories is above my pay grade :)

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/25/2017 2:15:36 AM   
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Leningrad
6 August 1941


Comrade Stalin,

Upon my arrival at Leningrad under orders of the GKO to review circumstances of the Northwestern Direction, I make this preliminary report.

State of the Northern and Northwest Fronts

Enemy forces

German troops in the area south of Leningrad consist of 16th and 18th Armies supported by 56. Tank Corps (Manstein) 57. Tank Corps (Kuntzen) and 41. Tank Corps (Reinhardt). Part of 18th Army includes I Corps (Model). Air support provided by their 1. Air Corps.

Situation on the ground

An attack by enemy mobile forces have isolated 71.5k men of General Bobkin’s 33rd Army at Veymarn. This group includes three tank, four rifle and one mountain division. Also included in this pocket is one naval infantry brigade, 23rd Army and two NKVD border regiments.

The German motorized units participating in the encirclement appear low on fuel with the exception of their 3rd Motorized Division. This may inhibit their movement abilities for the short term, but the possibility of a crossing of the Volkhov or bridgehead over the Neva cannot be discounted in the next two weeks.

General Vostrukhov reports 22nd Army has two rifle divisions almost certain to be trapped west of the Valdai Hills.

11th Army (Eremenko) defending Leningrad, minus 2nd Tank Division. Orders of the STAVKA to appropriately defend the approach to Leningrad have not been carried out. A newly created fortified zone at coordinate 83,16 has yet to attain Level 1 state. By this point it should have been Level 3. A number of divisions of the 11th Army are People’s Militia divisions and therefore cannot be counted on to conduct a proper defense. General Leitenant Popov commanding Northern Front should be reprimanded for his failure to execute this crucial task.

The port of Osinovets on Lake Ladoga has only a single security regiment covering a Level 1 fortified level. This too should already be close to Level 3. Further, no air defense has been assigned to the port city.

27th Army (Bezarin) has only three rifle divisions. This army as such is unable to perform missions consistent with this level organization.

8th Army (Sobennikov) has one unready tank division and an anti-tank brigade. This army as such is unable to perform missions consistent with this level organization. General Sobennikov also shows few leadership traits and should be replaced at some future date.

23rd Army (Govorov) holds a most tenuous position west of the Volkhov. I am extremely doubtful as to its ability to hold the line. 23rd Tank Division southwest of Divenskaya with 110 T-34 medium tanks will almost certainly be surrounded.

33rd Army (Bobkin) has four rifle divisions in position south of the 23rd. In short order that will at best be what remains of his command. His three 100-series tank divisions will be lost. These divisions only have a handful of medium tanks remaining.

24th Army (Purkaev) Eight rifle divisions south of Lake Ilmen. German forces immediately opposing him are not an immediate danger.

20th Army (Vatutin) deployed along the Volga north of Rzhev. He has been forced to cover that location due to STAVKAs failure to adequately equip Reserve Front. The Northwestern Direction needs these troops released at the earliest opportunity.

7th Independent Army (Meretskov) holding the line against the Finns at Sortvala as ordered by the STAVKA. This army includes some of our best rifle divisions.



Enemy Air Activity
Germans are making extensive use of air recon in this area and they have bombed our airfields needlessly dispositioned too far forward. Our bases have since been withdrawn east of the Volkhov River.

Soviet Air Forces
Our own air forces consist of Northern and Northwestern Air Commands led by Generals Novikov and Ionov. General Novikov is quite capable but Ionov is borderline incompetent. Each of the two air commands muster 520 and 556 aircraft. Why is Ionov allowed to remain at his post with more assigned aircraft than an officer clearly more capable? I suggest Ionov be replaced at the earliest opportunity.
Air organization

Northern Air Command (Novikov) of 7 airbases.
36 regimental air groups assigned, of which:
16 are fighter-fighter bomber
16 are level bomber
2 are tactical bomber
1 is transport
1 is reconnaissance
This command claims 24 enemy aircraft destroyed and 15 ground elements eliminated

7 IAK PVO (Danilov) defending Leningrad under Northern Air Command of 2 airbases.
8 regimental and 1 battalion air groups assigned, all of which are fighter-fighter bomber
This command claims 4 enemy aircraft destroyed
Northern Front of 1 airbase.
1 regiment and 2 bns of fighter fighter bombers. They claim 4 enemy aircraft destroyed.

Northwestern Air Command (Ionov) of 6 airbases.
36 regimental air groups assigned, of which:
18 are fighter-fighter bomber
17 are level bomber
1 is reconnaissance
This command claims 23 enemy aircraft destroyed and 47 ground elements eliminated

This totals 83 air regiments and 3 battalions of two air commands claiming 55 enemy aircraft and 62 ground elements destroyed.

The abysmal performance of our air forces can be attributed primarily to the morale of our pilots.

The morale of the pilots is low to the point that criminal negligence should be considered within the VVS and STAVKA. There are 45 air groups in the air reserve, all of which ready for combat assignment. Why are our front line pilots not being rotated out of the line and replaced by fresh air crews? I strongly recommend that 15 air regiments of the Northwestern Direction be withdrawn to the reserves and fresh crews assigned in their place. If the Western and Southwestern Directions do not need fresh crews, the Northern and Northwest commands will gladly take more. Further, 7th IAK PVO command should be disbanded and the divisions assigned to Northern Air Command. The 61st IAB of Northern Front should also be assigned to Northern Air Command.

There are insufficient number of air reconnaissance aircraft. The two regiments of SB-2R’s can count on only 18 serviceable aircraft out of 40 authorized.


The following organizational and operational changes are urged in the following week.

The 8th and 27th Armies transfer their combat formations to Bobkin’s 33rd. Support units transferred to the Northern Front. 8th and 27th Armies then sent to the rear for refitting at a later date.

STAVKA must replace 20th Army of Northern Front with an army from Reserve Front (Bogdanov). This will allow 20th Army to re-deploy where it is needed in the vicinity of the Volkhov.

7th Army of Northern Front must have freedom of action to withdraw in whole or in part should the Germans threaten to cross the Volkhov.

Boundary for Reserve Front extended north to cover an east-west line up to Torzok/Kalinin

Conduct aircrew replacement as noted above.

I await further instructions.

VOROSHILOV
Marshal

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/25/2017 6:17:12 AM   
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Wow, thats what one calls a sound situational assessment!
If you read some older posts, you will notice my struggle to get immediate control over the air force in the North. I even gave it my personal colour! But the STAVKA likes commanding flying things and doesn't give it away easily.
Good luck with the defence of Lgrad!


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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/25/2017 12:19:38 PM   
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Where is our Chief of Staff? He hasn't posted in almost two weeks.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/25/2017 12:44:57 PM   
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@M60, another report like that, eek, you'll be the one being shot. So speaks charlie from beyond the shade.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/25/2017 12:50:27 PM   
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@M60, another report like that, eek, you'll be the one being shot. So speaks charlie from beyond the shade.


At the rate the Soviet side is moving, my mock trial won't even come up before Leonid Brezhnev is General Secretary.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/25/2017 9:58:27 PM   
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@M60, another report like that, eek, you'll be the one being shot. So speaks charlie from beyond the shade.


At the rate the Soviet side is moving, my mock trial won't even come up before Leonid Brezhnev is General Secretary.

Trial? What trial?
Comrade Beria has no time for such nonsense.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/26/2017 2:43:00 PM   
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quote:

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@M60, another report like that, eek, you'll be the one being shot. So speaks charlie from beyond the shade.


At the rate the Soviet side is moving, my mock trial won't even come up before Leonid Brezhnev is General Secretary.

Trial? What trial?
Comrade Beria has no time for such nonsense.


Do n't I?

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/26/2017 3:49:29 PM   
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Voroshilov fears nothing. He has a song written with his name. He has a city named after him. He stood side by side with Comrade Stalin at Tsaritsyn in 1918. The Red Army must recognize its failures and take corrective action without hesitation if we are to drive the Hitlerites from the Motherland.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 7/26/2017 7:53:55 PM   
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@m60, when you are done with Dave maybe you could stop by charlie-land. Cheap lessons, for the V-dude, on the meaning of fear.

No hidden exploits, multiple hqbu's start t3. hehe, and hehe

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