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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/17/2017 10:33:45 PM   
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No problem, as soon as you have time.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/18/2017 10:52:58 AM   
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done

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/26/2017 4:51:30 PM   
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S-T is up

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/27/2017 1:20:02 PM   
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I am done comrades!

Looking forward to the muds, communism has taken a beating this year

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/27/2017 1:59:19 PM   
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Your two small victories are precisely what is needed in these dark times. Well done. General Bobkin's 237th Rifle Division will be recommended for a guards banner.

The Western Direction is up now may need the day to finish adjustments to the front line.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/27/2017 5:15:16 PM   
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Center done. Lictuel, you will need to extend your defense to include Lipetsk.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/27/2017 6:38:10 PM   
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okay I'll have a look at the turn right now

edit: done with the turn

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 3:37:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

From: STAVKA

To: All Front Commanders

Orders:
We are under attack. The General Secretary of the Communist Party's Central Committee has ordered the armed forces of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics to resist the invasion by all means neccessary.

The superior forces of the Red Army should have no problem repelling this desperate attack by the fascist warmongers. All front commanders should therefore use the forces at their disposal to beat back the invaders and prepare to liberate the workers of Europe.

The Red Army is to reorganize into a more suitable organization for this war, therefore all corps HQ will be disbanded and units are to be organized into field armies. STAVKA will handle the disbanding of the HQs and each front commander is given 5 APs to use as they see fit in order to organize their forces accordingly.

Comrades, be ruthless in the defence in order to ensure that we can switch to offensive operations as soon as possible. The invaders must be crushed without mercy. Any sign of treason must be dealt with by the harshest means. Assign trusted commissars to the army headquarters and report any signs of defeatism to your superior officer.

Your priorities should be:
1. Organize your forces into suitable groups and take up defensive positions
2. Preserve your forces in order to wait for the mobilization of the workers of the Soviet union.



SIGNED
Marshal Hortlundski




Time to catch the curious reader up on where things stand. Even though I was not part of this at the start, I can still comment on it.

STAVKA disbanding headquarters is ok where they are not automatically disbanding starting on turn 5. In this case, STAVKA went ahead and disbanded a lot of corps HQ before then and wasted a lot of APs in doing so.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 3:45:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

From: STAVKA

To: All Front Commanders

Orders:
The invading German forces have displayed unimaginable speed in their advance. We must therefore postpone our plans for attack and focus on defending our country first and foremost.

To this end, the following actions should be taken:

Commander of North and Northwestern fronts:
The Valdai hills are the key to the defence of Leningrad. Your defensive efforts should focus on holding the Germans at the foot of these hills, and make them pay dearly for any advance in this area. 24th and 22nd Armies are put at your disposal along with 7th Mechanized Corps.

Prepare to defend the Valdai hills, and make sure the approaches to Leningrad is garrisoned properly.

Commander of Western Front:
Prepare to defend Moscow. This is the most, and only objective for the forces under your command. You are given command of 20th army (minus 7th Mechanized Corps), 16th Army, 20th Rifle Corps, 63rd Rifle Corps and 66th Rifle Corps.


Commander of Southern and Southwestern Fronts:
Set up defensive positions on the Dnepr and prepare to hold the eastern banks until ordered otherwise. Kiev must also be held. You are authorized to give up all ground west of the Dnepr. You are also authorized to use as much rail capacity as you need to save as many troops as possible from the southern sectors of the front.


SIGNED
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Orders from Turn 2.

The Valdai Hills have never been the key to the defense of Leningrad. The Axis can still right hook around Lake Ilmen with the Soviets holding those hills. Hex X83 Y16 is the key to the defense of Leningrad,notwithstanding HLYA's L-Grad defensive plan. I'll say it again for those that missed it.

Hex X83 Y16 is the key to the defense of Leningrad

Yes, the Axis can bring Walter Model, arty, sappers, etc. but it doesn't change geography. The best chance to either successfully defend or delay the inevitable is to do everything possible to hold that hex. That means bringing good units, bringing sappers, bringing Zhukov. And starting all this on Turn 1 is equally important.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 3:57:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

From: STAVKA

To: All Front Commanders

Orders:
The Fascist invaders are pushing east despite your efforts. In order to secure our armaments production, a relocation of certain strategic production elements has begun. Kiev and Mogliev have been evacuated.

To ensure the defence of Moscow, STAVKA has taken control over three armies. They have been color coded to make sure you do not touch them. The red and black armies are now under special STAVKA orders and you are not to interfere with these units for any reason whatsoever.

All airborne troops are to disengage from frontline fighting, and are to move to MOSCOW as soon as possible.

To Commander of Northern Front:
You are to take control of all units north of the Dvina, and any units that are under the command of your fronts. STAVKA has assigned some units to your Fronts and these are yours to control. Previous orders remain in effect. Withdrawal from the Pskov-region is encouraged, in order to mount a more effective defence elsewhere.

To Commander of Western Front:
STAVKA has assigned additional forces to your command, mostly units from the Southwestern front. These units are yours to use. You are to continue fightning a delaying action in the direction of VYAZMA. You are NOT authorized to retreat east of the line VYAZMA-RZHEV.

To Commander of Southern Front:
You are to continue fighting a delaying action. Avoid losing troops at any cost. You must hold KHARKOV until end of July and you should hold SEVASTOPOL into the winter. You are allowed to retreat east to VORONEZH and ROSTOV. But further withdrawal than that must be authorized by STAVKA.


SIGNED
Marshal Hortlundski



Orders from Turn 3

There has yet to be made any attempt to analyze where the German panzer corps are focused. This is rather important for front commanders to know as it affects their defensive plans. In retrospect, it would have been particularly useful information for the northern commander as he would soon realize he was facing three panzer corps on the road to Leningrad.

Orders to the Western Front make no mention of defending the land bridge north of the Dnepr. That can be an important choke point. It is premature at this stage to be talking about delaying to Vyazma.

The orders in general are so lacking in specifics that it seems odd. Historically, STAVKA would not hesitate to give very specific orders. But that was a call for PH to make.


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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 4:02:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Western Front troops are preparing to fight behind upper Dnepr-River, with 3 possible defensive positions (as in picture).





This was a plan to be destroyed piecemeal. Leaving a single row of defenders in three locations is not a valid defense or delay tactic. It just gets your units killed. And it's too soon to be activating the Moscow Military District. At this stage, Western Front should have fallen back to the Dnepr and the black and orange units headed west at top speed for the land bridge and points north.


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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 4:16:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Turn 4





The seeds for Moscow's fall are already planted and watered. Hanging out on the Berezina too long, the land bridge undefended, and the Western Front is hanging out at Kiev.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 4:20:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

SITREP: Western Front

I have tried not to make counter-attacks but instead preserving troops and fighting defensively to slow down enemy. Also trying to slow down AGC by imposing as much ZOC I can.

We'll have to stand in front of Moscow.

Can STAVKA HQ colour troops that I can command with something, so I do not accidentally poach troops from STAVKA? It was honest misunderstandment (said Front Commander in Ljubjanka cellars...)


Bordering on defeatist talk, comrade. Our commanders later received clear instructions that attacking the enemy is essential to the victory. But again, we wouldn't be talking about defending Moscow if these divisions in the rear had been brought forward.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 4:45:03 PM   
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Turn 5 in the north.



A question, what is the most significant unit on this screenshot? It's as much a question of "what unit doesn't belong?"


The answer is the 18th Motorized Division, and it should be setting off the alarm bells. That division at the start of the campaign belongs to Kuntzen's LVII Panzer Corps of Hoth's PG3. That tells us there is a reasonable chance that the north is facing three panzer corps. This unit tells us if in fact there are three panzer corps here, the defense is not going to hold. But this is picked up by neither the northern commander nor STAVKA.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 6:09:21 PM   
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Week 6

We'll look at the south.



The original Soviet southern commander just decided to disappear and leave no word which is unfortunate and the game is stalled. EvK will fill in and has these STAVKA orders.

Southwestern Front:
The breach of the Dnepr by German panzers make any defence of the Dnepr impossible. We can expect rapid thrusts towards KHARKOV and KURSK.

Abandon the Dnepr defensive line and move troops towards KURSK and VORONEZH. The Southwestern Front will ultimately be given defensive responsibilities in the VORONEZH - OREL - TULA area. Prepare for this defensive operation.

Southern Front:
The Nikolaev area must be evacuated immideately. A temporary defensive line should be set up on the south bank of the Dnepr, while the units move towards STALINO. Southern Front will be expected to defend ROSTOV and SEVASTOPOL, as well as the Kerch strait.


There are several issues to address here.

First, the factories are still in place at D-Z as well as Poltava. What is STAVKA's industrial evacuation plan? It is important to have one and the armies need to maneuver in support of it. There is mention of a possible thrust to Kharkov, but no mention of how to defend it. For all intents and purposes, the Southwestern and Southern Fronts are split in two. Let's see what can conceivably be done. We have 135 railcap to work with. So with that:

Evac 8 arms from Poltava. 96k railcap left.
Evac 10 of 16 arms from Dnepropetrovsk. 48k railcap left
Evac 3 of 5 heavy industry from Dnepropetrovsk 24 railcap left

So we have Poltava no longer a target of value to the Axis and D-town somewhat of interest with 6 arms and 2HI. Zaporozhye is still in possession of 4 arms and 4 HI but is on the east bank of the Dnepr. And from what we can see, the panzers are for the moment running low on gas. STAVKA orders can now be along the lines of:

Southern Front to fall back on the River Bazavlik to defend the D-Z area. We will evacuate the remaining industry from those cities next week. You may use 5k railcap to move 9th Army units to that area.

Southern Front now assigned 18th Army with 3 rifle divisions to cover Kharkov. This will be temporary only. Once Southwestern Front can pull back fully, they assume responsibility for Kharkov.

Southwestern Front to withdraw to the River Psel to cover the Axis direct route to Kharkov. 10k of railcap is available to facilitate their withdrawal.


Back to the original orders. Talk of Southwestern Front having responsibilities in the Orel-Tula region makes no sense at all. That area is the responsibility of Bryansk Front. If it hasn't arrived yet, remaining Orel MD, it can still support two armies and be augmented by two more from STAVKA until the conversion.

With what is the Crimea to be held with? Coastal Army and...? If it is just that one, fine. But say so. "Coastal Army to form nine rifle divisions and be responsible for holding Sevastopol/Kerch/entrance to the Crimea/whatever."

Finally there's this, that I'm still working to fix ten turns later.



Apparently this is some attempt to re-create the West Front at the time of Operation Mars? It's hopelessly overloaded, but by the blizzard, after wasting a huge # of admin points, it will be back to the normal allocation of four armies.


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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 6:30:29 PM   
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I remember my dissent with PH about this overloading of fronts, IIRC he did the same with my Leningrad and Northwestern Front.
Interesting reflections and thanks for that.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 6:41:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Week 6


Finally there's this, that I'm still working to fix ten turns later.



Apparently this is some attempt to re-create the West Front at the time of Operation Mars? It's hopelessly overloaded, but by the blizzard, after wasting a huge # of admin points, it will be back to the normal allocation of four armies.




YUK! That is BUTT ugly. I would almost be tempted to just disband the extra HQ attached to Western Front.

Awesome write up M60 showing the trials and tribulations you had to overcome when you took over command. You have a great deal of patience I will say that.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 7:17:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist

I remember my dissent with PH about this overloading of fronts, IIRC he did the same with my Leningrad and Northwestern Front.
Interesting reflections and thanks for that.



Yes, and I'm fixing those too.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/29/2017 8:08:01 PM   
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Our great comrade M60 shall have kicked into shape and outside of Berlin in no time

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/30/2017 3:22:08 AM   
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Before moving onto Week 7, let's pop back up north.



Northwestern Front oddly ends up defending against the main treat to Leningrad. As EvK pointed out, Northwest Front ended up with 6 armies, and Northern Front had 3. One army of Northern Front is 7th Independent facing the Finns in Eastern Karelia, and the 20th is south of Reserve Front; effectively leaving only the 23rd to defend Leningrad.

Northwestern Front has two armies, 22nd and 24th south of Lake Ilmen. Only the 24th is really in a position to block a right hook, if that is a real concern.

Of the Northwest Front Armies between the Germans and Leningrad, only Bobkin's 33rd is fully capable. The 8th, 11th and 27th are all in need of refit.

What could have happened is admin points could have been used to empty 8th Army of its units and sent them to Eremenko's 11th. Then 3-4 Northern Front rifle divisions could have rounded out Eremenko's Army and it could have been used as a second defensive line to protect Leningrad. Finally, the STAVKA divisions unassigned could have gone to Berzarin's 27th and almost a fourth full army would have been in place, with the 8th Army sent to the rear to re-form.

Here is Northern Front HQ. Note the divisions out of command range, and since they are assigned to a front vs. army, not as useful.



Finally, STAVKA helps the north by giving Govorov the 23rd Army. But the 23rd Army is almost half mechanized. Maybe there was a better choice waiting in the wings?



Something of a moot point. EvK has established his Maginot Line on his left flank to stop the Germans should they go in that direction. But just as in 1940, the Germans have other ideas.


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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 11/30/2017 4:08:52 AM   
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The 90th Rifle Division

To give credit where it's due, EvK in effect was the author of the story, I'm just telling it.

On the 22nd of June, 90th Rifle Division was part of 10th Rifle Corps commanded by GM I. Nikolaev, 8th Army, Northwest Front. Although details are sketchy, it fought a pair of border battles in Lithuania during the first days of war, ultimately routed to the area around the port of Ventspils.




Later in the same week, the division recovered its morale and was evacuated from the port of Ventspils. From there, the 90th was transported over water to Parnu in Estonia.



It spend the following week marching east, trying to rejoin the fight with the army.



In the fourth week of war, it fought 86th Infantry Division of Lindemann's 50th Corps. The division was compelled to retreat, crossing over Lake Pskov into the swamps to continue fighting.



By the fifth week, the division relocated to yet another position in a swamp, this time along the Luga. It would remain there for another week unmolested.



The seventh week of war for the 90th Rifle Division would likewise have been quiet, if not for the fact that elements from six German corps, supported by I Fliegerkorps were about to try and bring about its destruction.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 12/7/2017 9:41:40 PM   
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North done, EvK is up.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 12/17/2017 1:58:37 AM   
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The 90th Rifle Division - continued

July 17, two divisions from German 50th Corps lead this week's drive on Leningrad and a move to cut off Leonid Bobkin's 33rd Army. The 90th Rifle Division retreats across the Luga River.

July 18, three divisions from Albert Wodrig's 26th Corps attempt to push back the 90th again, now working with the 106th Motorized Division in the defense. Wodrig is checked not once, but twice.

July 19, and Walter Model's 1st Corps is called up to dislodge the two Soviet divisions. This time the attack is successful. The 90th and 106th Divisions are split apart. A follow up attack late in the day by 18th Motorized Division is stopped in its tracks by the 90th.

July 20, 1st Panzer Division from 41st Panzer Corps has arrived and together with the 18th Motorized, pushes the 90th back another ten miles.

July 21, 19th Panzer Division, part of Kuntzen's 57th Panzer Corps force the 90th back yet again. Still, the division refuses to break.

July 22, and the 60th Motorized Division pushes the 90th back, this time to the port of Oranienbaum. Most of 33rd Army is cut off, and the Germans can celebrate success. But in large part due to the tenacity of the 90th Rifle Division, the SS Totenkopf Division fails to take Leningrad, defended only by a solitary fortified zone.

In the next week, the 90th will be evacuated a second time by naval transport, and this time participate in the defense of Leningrad itself.

All things considered, a German tactical victory, but with Leningrad still in Soviet hands, perhaps a missed opportunity as well?






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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 12/17/2017 2:31:06 AM   
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Week 7 sees three panzer corps, 39th, 46th and 47th begin an encircling move to trap most of Kurochkin's 43rd Army, two divisions of 20th Army and a few other units, at Velikye Luki.



In the south, The Germans are over the Dnepr and Kharkov, the most vital city in the Donbas is defended by a single STAVKA cavalry division.

STAVKA's orders for the week - continue as before. No urgency, it seems.



Meanwhile, the VVS is suffering severe losses while the High Command refuses to allow the air units to pull back for reorganization.


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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 12/17/2017 3:03:36 AM   
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Week 8 and Leningrad is cut off.



In the center, the Germans tighten their grip on the units around Velikye Luki and are advancing on a cavalry screen belonging to Marshal Kulik's 54th Army.



In the areas south of Moscow, the Bryansk Front remains largely a shell, while the sprawling Western Front finds itself extended as far south as Kursk.



The defense of the Donbas region is rapidly failing. In the Southwestern Front under General Kirponos, 26th Army is largely destroyed while 5th, 6th and 12th Armies find themselves separately defending Kharkov, Voronezh and Kursk respectively.



Southern Front, with the Coastal Army in the Crimea has only two armies, the 9th and 37th available to defend the southern Donbas. It is given new orders to extend itself near Kharkov in order to try and delay the Germans long enough for rail repair units to fix the damaged tracks and allow industrial evacuation to begin. It is a futile order that will come to nothing.



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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 12/17/2017 12:29:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS
But in large part due to the tenacity of the 90th Rifle Division, the SS Totenkopf Division fails to take Leningrad, defended only by a solitary fortified zone.

In the next week, the 90th will be evacuated a second time by naval transport, and this time participate in the defense of Leningrad itself.

All things considered, a German tactical victory, but with Leningrad still in Soviet hands, perhaps a missed opportunity as well?


I have not started a proper read through of the AAR so excuse if some of what I say is from not having read earlier posts.

There was actually enough movement points for Totenkopf to make an attack on Leningrad proper at the end of the turn. It was only defended by a fort - but in an urban area with presumably lots of SUs and so on. So there is still a risk of a lost battle. I think from memory there was no industry. Presumably the thought process was to leave it as it would be taken eventually anyway. Would there have been any advantage in taking a chance, although a good one, to take Leningrad proper then?

There were probably not enough MPs to occupy Leningrad, so the effect would mainly have been to reduce fortification levels for the Leningrad defence the following turn. Perhaps also allow a few partisan units to be raised too.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 12/17/2017 3:41:20 PM   
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If there was such an opportunity to take a piece of Soviet manpower out sooner rather than later, I think it would have been worth a chance.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 12/19/2017 3:50:10 AM   
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Week 9

The defensive line between Vyazma and Bryansk is being surrounded.



Farther to the south, the 9th Army at Stalino is now in peril.



August 16th. Stalin calls General Mikhail Sharokhin, a department chief within the Operations Directorate. What orders are being issued to deal with this situation at Vyazma-Bryansk? Sharokhin reponds that the Chief of Staff has issued no new orders for this area, only orders to the southern grouping to stabilize the situation in the area near Stalino. The following day, Aleksandr Novikov of Northern Air Command, advises Stalin that a number of air regiments are no longer flying in the defense of the motherland. If the air crews do not get some rest soon, they may begin to mutiny. Would the army then follow suit?

August 18th. An emergency meeting for the Committee for State Defense takes place to discuss the latest situation. Catastrophe is not far off unless drastic action is taken. Lev Mekhlis urges Stalin to sack the current Chief of Staff without delay. The STAVKA cannot continue to issue little to no guidance with the general conditions deteriorating by the hour. Still, Stalin is reluctant to take such a step and the proposal is put aside for the time being.

August 20th. GM Kuzma Galitsky’s 9th Army briefly stabilizes the situation in the area near Stalino.



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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 12/19/2017 4:41:03 AM   
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The 10th week of war is bringing a set of new disasters on the Red Army.

In the north, Eremenko's 11th Army is unable to hold, and the 41st and 56th Panzer Korps of PG 4 cross the Neva and capture Osinovets.



In the center, the situation worsens in the area of Vyazma-Bryansk as fresh encirclements are in the making.



In the south, PG1 launches a fresh sweeping move around the 9th Army of the Southern Front. Aside from the Coastal Army in the Crimea, the Southern Front is almost entirely surrounded. The direction eastwards is almost clear all the way to Stalingrad.



The VVS loses over one thousand aircraft for the third consecutive week. Total losses to date exceed twelve thousand aircraft.


On August 21, it is announced in Moscow that the Chief of Staff has stepped aside due to ill health. In fact, this is only a cover story. The marshal had been arrested the day prior by internal security elements of the NKVD, and charged with crimes against the state. Marshal Voroshilov is named as the new Chief of Staff of the Red Army.


Turns 10-12 were previously written up, so there will be no additional coverage of them. A review of the action will resume with Turn 13.



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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 12/19/2017 8:19:59 PM   
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At this rate, Stalin himself is going have a sudden illness very soon. Or, he will sacrifice himself heroically for the fatherland.
The % chance of mud next turn is?

No way the Soviets survive past summer of '42.

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