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Big brand new B babes – SqzMyLemon (J) vs Fcharton (A) - 12/24/2016 1:35:41 PM   
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A few weeks ago, Joseph and I decided to restart our current game, my first as the Allies. It was our first attempt at DBB, lots of things had gone awry for the Japanese in the beginning of the war, we had been through many long delays, we agreed we would feel better with a brand new campaign, and Joseph was fine paddling through the early invasions again.

The settings have not changed, we will be playing DBB-B, complete with stacking limits, gnarly roads, and new aircraft stats. We are on one day turns, and the usual home rules (PP for borders, no 4E under 10 000 feet).

I have received the first turn this morning, I have sent it back with the few orders I can input (training the Russians, saving Force Z, moving a couple Chinese), the war may begin.


Since this is only my second game as the Allies, I am looking forward to the opening months. In my previous game, I had gone for a large perimeter in China, and a relatively aggressive defense as the Allies. This sort of worked. At the end of our game (in July 42), I still held Sian, Ichang and Changsha. The Japanese advance had been stopped before Lanchow and Kweiyang, and threats still had to materialize in the south west. In the Pacific, the enemy advance had been very slow, and Joseph was settling for a rather small perimeter, allowing me to build up pretty close to the front (inTabiteua, Darwin or Ndeni). It is tempting to try to improve upon this, notably by better using the stacking limits in China (and perhaps in upper Burma), but I expect my opponent to plan his war accordingly, and I am wondering whether I should go for something completely different.

But more on that later, there’s a surprise attack to be had and, incidentally, a Christmas eve to be prepared.

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RE: Big brand new B babes – SqzMyLemon (J) vs Fcharton (A) - 12/24/2016 2:17:44 PM   
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Good Luck and happy hunting!!

In my current game (BTS Lite mod - based off DBB) as Japan, Gen Patton shipped the 18th UK Div to Burma, combined the 1st Burma and 17th Indian divisions there, along with moving a few more down from India to Magwe and Meiktila to form a decent roadblock. I usually don't do this myself as I fear a short hook into Chittagong to isolate those troop. Just something for you to consider if you don't think Joseph is going to be too aggressive here. I'm still chasing troops out of western Australia, so Burma will have to wait (current game date in early June '42).

American CVs - I ALWAYS put on a Marine fighter group (18 planes) for each CV through '42 to increase survivability. I sleep better with 45 or more fighters on each CV even if they are the old Buffaloes.

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RE: Big brand new B babes – SqzMyLemon (J) vs Fcharton (A) - 12/24/2016 3:53:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ny59giants
In my current game (BTS Lite mod - based off DBB) as Japan, Gen Patton shipped the 18th UK Div to Burma, combined the 1st Burma and 17th Indian divisions there, along with moving a few more down from India to Magwe and Meiktila to form a decent roadblock.


I did something similar in my previous game. I reinforced Burma with four Indian brigades (from Singapore and India), and fortified Rangoon and Moulmein. This prevented the usual overland invasion by one reinforced division, and force Joseph to commit large forces later (after Sumatra, that is). By that time, I could extricate most of my units. I had sent the rest of the Commonwealth troops to Diamond Harbour and Chittagong, to discourage a quick landing there.

I expect Joseph to move much faster this time. Much as I would like such a "stand behind Burma" approach, I suspect early Japanese moves will rule it out.

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American CVs - I ALWAYS put on a Marine fighter group (18 planes) for each CV through '42 to increase survivability. I sleep better with 45 or more fighters on each CV even if they are the old Buffaloes.


I learned that the hard way last time, and lost the Yorktown to a very silly engagement...




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RE: Big brand new B babes – SqzMyLemon (J) vs Fcharton (A) - 12/24/2016 4:08:29 PM   
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Best of luck to both worthy opponents!



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RE: Big brand new B babes – SqzMyLemon (J) vs Fcharton (A) - 12/24/2016 4:28:35 PM   
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Best of luck to both worthy opponents!



Well, I don't see how this is possible, so I will wish you both years of enjoyment and many "interesting times"!

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RE: Big brand new B babes – SqzMyLemon (J) vs Fcharton (A) - 12/24/2016 9:24:05 PM   
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Good luck look forward to following your adventures. I am the allies in my game and it is late May 42. I still hold Palmebang and the mountain enclave SW of Batavia. No invasion of Australia and my defense of China sounds just down your lines in your previous game. My opponent is spening 5 Divisions againd two to take Colombo and it is a slogging match there.

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RE: Big brand new B babes – SqzMyLemon (J) vs Fcharton (A) - 12/27/2016 2:14:21 PM   
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December 7th 1941 – And Manila it was

On the morning of the seventh of December, Japanese bombers from Formosa and carrier based planes raided the American airbase in Clark Field and attacked the Asiatic Fleet in Manila. Four submarines, a mine sweeper, two small crafts, and two Philippine cargos were sunk. Two destroyers, a dozen submarines, and about twenty cargos and tenders were damaged. Japanese troops reportedly landed on the northern coast of Luzon, in Appari and Laoag, and in the southern Philippines, in Cagayan, Zamboanga, and Jolo. In Malaysia, the British base in Georgetown was raided, and Japanese troops landed in Kota Baru.

There were no further raids in the afternoon, and in retrospect, the damage was much less than what it could have been had the Japanese picked a more ambitious target (Hawaii, say). Overall, it was more a day of disrespect than infamy. But it means war anyway, so here we go.


I tend to be lucky with my seventh of December. Of the twenty seven submarines that begin the war in Manila, four were sunk outright, and eight are too damaged to consider evacuation. Eight other escaped unscathed, and seven are limping towards Surabaya. In the end, I will probably save half of them. The rest of the Asiatic Fleet is trapped in port, and probably doomed. I concentrated all the fighters I could muster in Manila, to try to get a few Japanese pilots in exchange.

The raid on Clark was not very successful either. One B-17 and a handful of P-40 were destroyed on the ground. The attack on Clark and Cagayan (invaded on day one) seems to prove that my opponent has a healthy respect for my 4E bombers. In my previous game, I used them in China. The two squadrons from Cagayan were bought and sent to China at one. Those in Clark Field, too damaged to fly, were disbanded.

Whereas all Japanese fleet carriers seem to have been committed to the raid against Luzon, mini-KB is nowhere to be seen, and there were no attacks or invasions in the Celebes or in the Pacific. This could mean a second operation is underway, in a different theater.

But anyway, Kido Butai is in the South China Sea, which means several things. First, there is little I can do against a quick series of landings in Mersing, Singkawang and Palembang. In my previous game, I had kept my surface forces around Borneo, and managed to catch a couple of landing parties. This is not feasible once KB is around (all the more as it could split, half of it covering the Sumatra invasion, the rest the operations in the Celebes). I am still keeping my Royal navies (Dutch and British) around, just in case, but it is likely that a full scale evacuation (also known as a Sir Robin) will have to happen soon.

On the other hand, the longer KB remains in the East Indies, the more opportunities I have to derail advances in other theaters, or build up reserves for an earlier reconquest. No attack on Pearl Harbor means I get to keep the ships and planes that are usually destroyed there. And extricating my Dutch and British navies means I end up with large assets for operations in mid to late 1942.

It is still too early to tell, but I am seriously contemplating a “wise Sir Robin”, a strategy where an early retreat in the Indies would allow for an earlier buildup, and advance somewhere else, a gambit, in chess parlance.

But right now I need to know more about enemy intent, and the first was sent back with fairly conservative orders. In Malaysia and Luzon I am retreating, towards Singapore and Manila. The Asiatic Fleet has a decent CAP, and an early landing in Mersing should be greeted by torpedoes, and two Australian brigades in a few days. Elsewhere, US squadrons are now training, bases are building. I have not given order to the Dutch and Indians: I am still waiting for more information about mini-KB and KB whereabouts.

In China, I am trying to improve on the defense which served me well in the previous game. I am not attacking at all, to conserve supplies. Industry repairs have been stopped, for the same reason, and all units in clear terrain are running to the nearest hill or wood. I am shooting for a fairly large perimeter, including Sian, Chuhsien, Kukong and Kweilin, and a first line of resistance from Tuyun to Changsha, to Ankang, Sian and Lanchow. The idea is to keep Japan busy chasing and besieging units along the coast and in the hinterland while others are slowly building forts in the woods.

That’s pretty much all, I’m afraid. The war in on, I’m waiting for the onslaught, considering my options.

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RE: Big brand new B babes – SqzMyLemon (J) vs Fcharton (A) - 12/27/2016 2:22:52 PM   
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I understand the idea of keeping the Asiatic Fleet in Manila under concentrated air cover to attrit the Japanese pilots pools, but IME your fighters will not last more than a few days - perhaps shorter with KB in the area. My own preference would be to steam out at flank speed and try to get a lucky night intercept on KB or some other Japanese TF. I know subs, mines, and SCTFs are also waiting but waiting to be bombed in port just seems even more hopeless.

Good luck, whatever you choose to do!

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RE: Big brand new B babes – SqzMyLemon (J) vs Fcharton (A) - 12/30/2016 8:34:39 AM   
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December 8th 1941 – More of the same

Over Manila


My little CAP trap was moderately successful. A first raid of 68 Betties, escorted by 40 Zeroes, was intercepted by 60 P-40E and a handful of P-26. My P-40 shot down 20 Betties (or so Tracker tells me), for a few P-26A.

Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
G4M1 Betty x 68
Allied aircraft
P-26A x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 59

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 11 destroyed, 5 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 2 destroyed


Of course, then came the sweeps, courtesy of KB, which is now sailing south of Luzon.

Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 1 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 56
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 9 destroyed


And then again, an afternoon raid, by KB, which did further damage to the ships in Manila harbor, sinking a submarine, a patrol boat and two cargoes.

Overall, I lost 33 P-40E and 3 P-26A, for 20 Betties and 7 Zeroes, and the damage on the Asiatic fleet was relatively limited. I cannot call it a victory, but I am happy with it.

Lucky DD

Yesterday, HMS Scout, Thanet and Thracian, the three British destroyers that begin the war in Hong Kog, found themselves right between KB and the task forces escorting the landings on northern Luzon. They were sent at flank speed towards Singapore, but with so many enemy carriers and land based bombers around, I had little hope for them.

Today, they managed to survive several attacks by KB, and to end up a few hexes behind what seems to be KB’s oiler task force. I am trying an interception tomorrow. If they manage it, and make it to Singapore, I plan to reward those lucky ships with garrison duties in the south pacific for the rest of the war.

Waiting for the juggernaut

The only Japanese landing, today, was in Tarawa. In the Philippines, Laoag and Jolo were captured, and the Kota Baru garrison was sent on a long trip through the jungle. KB is still close to Luzon, no sign of imminent landings in Mersing or Sinkgawang have been detected, and Mini-KB is nowhere to be seen.

In Malaysia, I am evacuating Alor Star and Georgetown. The plan is to rebuild the 11th Indian in Taiping, and then the 12th Indian Brigade, and hopefully the 9th Indian division in Malacca, and send everyone to defend Singapore (or be evacuated if the enemy is careless). Force Z and Dutch surface groups are lurking around Borneo, ready to catch an invasion force sailing without air cover. The AVG is in Rangoon, I am still unclear whether I want them in China, in Singapore, or just around Burma.

I am waiting.

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RE: Big brand new B babes – SqzMyLemon (J) vs Fcharton (A) - 1/2/2017 8:23:15 PM   
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December 9th 1941 – Robin or not Robin?

A calm day in the South China Sea. KB sailed west, and will soon be in position to support landings in Northern Borneo, or in Mersing. As a result, Luzon was only attacked by Betties, which sank a couple more merchants (my fighters were resting). I am trying to sortie tomorrow.

On Mindanao, Cagayan and Zamboanga fell, and Talaud-Eilanden was invaded. Since KB is not around, and mini-KB is nowhere to be seen, I am sending my Dutch surface forces towards Ternate, and the Houston and Boise to try to intercept landing forces.

Submarines were detected off Singkawang, moving south. With KB around, most of my surface forces most stay behind the line, and as an invasion of Sumatra and the Celebes could happen very fast, the evacuation the Dutch and British merchants is becoming more likely as days pass.

This is an interesting consequence of the Manila first strategy. In our previous game, KB had attacked Hawaii, and then sailed to the South Pacific to support landings in Australia. And mini-KB had mostly been used in the Celebes, and then in the South Pacific. As a result, I was able to use the Dutch and British navies to mount counterattacks in the Indies, and try to save the Asiatic fleet. This time, the presence of KB dooms the Asiatic Fleet and neutralizes my surface forces. As a result, there are few alternative to evacuating en masse.


December 10th 1941 – Good in the air, bad at sea

Invasions hit the beaches in Brunei and Miri. Merchants fleeing Singapore were torpedoed near Billiton. KB is in Cam Ranh today, probably about to escort the second wave of landings (towards Singkawang and Palembang?)

Around Mindanao, destroyers and torpedo boats sank a few fleeing Philippine merchants.

In the Celebes, Talaud Eilanden fell, and several enemy task forces appeared around the Philippines, on their way to Ternate and Ambon, I believe. I will be trying to intercept them.

The good news came from Luzon, where my fighters intercepted incoming Betties. 31 Betties and 6 escorting Zeroes were shot down, for four P-35 and one P-40B, and the Japanese have now lost more planes than the Allies. This will not save my Asiatic Fleet, but it is nice anyway.

The rest of the Pacific is absolutely calm. US carriers rescued the Wildcat squadron from Wake. Mini-KB is still nowhere to be seen. I am betting on a move against the Aleutians. If I am right, things might get interesting.

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