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Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/19/2016 7:25:10 PM   
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Gentlemen

Any good guides / threads / AARs around the composition of Royal Navy CV forces ?

Advice also very appreciated.

Situ:

April 1944
Eastern Fleet HQ at Alor Star.
South East Asia Command HQ at Bangkok
PDU OFF - *** Key issue
A disbanded CV Task Force at Alor.

The British CV / CVL / CVE seem to come with a true "mashup" of squadrons and no rhyme nor reason.

Of course further handicapped by their low plane (number) capacity.

I still have Hermes albeit her Swordfish withdrew. I was able to load and use Hermes effectively with 12 Fulmers.

I have Indomitable, Unicorn and 2 or 3 other CVE that variously appear at Aden or Panama. All transited to the India Ocean to form British Pacific Fleet Naval Attack Force 1.0

Now I seem to have Corsairs, Sptifires, and Martlets and too few Divebombers. 1 squadron of 24 came equipped on the last CVE.

I am puzzling struggling to subdivide the Corsairs / Dive Bombers into fragments and re-tooling the carriers from the flight deck up so to speak.

** PDU off *** Cannot seem to get upgrades on Swrodfish to Baracudas for example. May have to wait on them.

Do you:

1) Try to balance the offense / defense capability on British CV CVL CVE similar to their American counterparts?

2) Tend to rely on CAP heavy fighter bomber compliments ?

3) Order up the Corsairs (for example) into Naval Attack role ?





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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/19/2016 7:31:24 PM   
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Until Brits get capable airframes it is better to put US carrier capable units on Brit CVs

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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/19/2016 7:33:33 PM   
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Ohh drat - never even considered that....

Thanks amazing what you learn in this game.

I think I should be able to round up some Marine Units to get the Brits into a more "aggressive posture".



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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/19/2016 7:35:44 PM   
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I agree wholeheartedly, at least in the early going....I'm not even sure what this would look like in '44...never get that far!

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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/19/2016 8:01:27 PM   
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Everyone is different in their habits. But I'd second using good USN air units. The Hermes is old and small. Mine's long gone, but also slow? Might not be worth tagging along.

I tend to load them up with fighters. The USN CVs have enough striking power in 1944, but you need to send whole fighter units along to burn through. The RN CAP can stay home at 100%. Also, their armor means they can stay operable when a bombed USN CV would not be able to put up CAP. Useful on the withdrawal to have some CAP that works.

Corsairs if you have them, Hellcats if not. If all you have are Martlets, don't send the CVs along on real missions.

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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/19/2016 8:50:02 PM   
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I tend to give the Hermes the same job I give the Long Island.

Both are so small they can carry only one squadron and both are two slow to operate with the fast carriers.

I assign them to provide nominal CAP over my Replenishment Carrier TF. The replenishment carriers cannot perform flight ops when fully loaded so they need a CAP capable escort ship to ward off netties.
Assigning the LI and the Hermes to this task keeps me from having to assign a larger capacity combat CVE to the task.

Yes, its just a token CAP.
Yes it is only good for protection from unescorted long range bombers.
I typically don't bring my replenishment fleet within enemy fighter range.

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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/19/2016 10:44:33 PM   
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Put the British "Adjective Carriers" ®(Cap Mandrake") with the US carriers to absorb bombs. Their armoured flight decks will stand up to 220kg bombs (although there will be some below-decks effects, similar to what you get when a shell fails to penetrate side armour but still causes fire and system damage).
With a squadron of US fighters and Avenger/Albacore TBs they are capable of increasing the power of the US CVTF.

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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/20/2016 12:17:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

I tend to give the Hermes the same job I give the Long Island.

Both are so small they can carry only one squadron and both are two slow to operate with the fast carriers.

I assign them to provide nominal CAP over my Replenishment Carrier TF. The replenishment carriers cannot perform flight ops when fully loaded so they need a CAP capable escort ship to ward off netties.
Assigning the LI and the Hermes to this task keeps me from having to assign a larger capacity combat CVE to the task.

Yes, its just a token CAP.
Yes it is only good for protection from unescorted long range bombers.
I typically don't bring my replenishment fleet within enemy fighter range.


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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/20/2016 3:40:26 AM   
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The RN never went in much for dive bombers, preferring their attack aircraft to put holes in ships that tend to let in water. They go from using Swordfish and Albacores to Avengers and Barracudas. While their CVs don't have the capacity of the USN CVs, they can still offer a nice striking force against anything but the Kido Butai.

The speed of the Hermes is quite in line with that of the later war RN CVLs, though her air complement is smaller. Still, she can be a useful component of an RN multi-CVL TF later in the war. The trick is getting her and her larger cohorts to last that long.

I just looked at the last turn of my defunct PBEM and in mid-April '45 I have 4 RN CVs, 3 CVLs and 16 CVEs in action. I always tried to use them on the periphery of the main campaigns - kept them away from contact with the KB but rather used them to savage my opponent's unprotected over-reaching in the CBI and Australian areas of operation.

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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/20/2016 7:16:39 AM   
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Actually I just finished going through all air units in game as allies (DaBigBabes-C) trying to sort them up in with some historical flavor. One of the most messy things were FAA Squadrons. Based on what I got from Wiki, and from the game, I came up with the following (see attachment).

Those having * in their Note column are probably the ones that should have been withdrawn with their carriers in 1942/1943, or assigned elsewhere. Also note that arrival/withdrawal days are subject to +/-15 days variable in my PBEM.

I would basically try to fit historical squadrons into the carriers, and supplement them from the * or Unaccounted to fill-up.

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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/20/2016 2:03:51 PM   
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Thank you all once again for the advice.

Great insights including the notes on Hermes et al.

Of course the answer is situational

In my situ:

As per Bradfordkay : The RN CV Task Force 1.0 is intended to be an onshore asset hunting IJN near Singapore/Palembang/ South China Sea. i.e. it will not be deployed as a blue water force. So great minds think alike or fools seldom differ

They will support a large RN Task Force of BB (Prince of Wales, QE, etc) / BC (Repulse etc) / CA / CL / DD in the same task.

(the recapture of Singapore is fairly imminent)

Frankly I think they are ideally suited to such a role in April 1944; unless circumstances force you to use them as Blue Water assets.

However it only took one USMC Divebomber squadron (subdivided) to round out and balance the platforms as I desired. i.e. to operate more like the USN CVL CVE. As I looked closely the Fleet Arm Fighter squadrons are mostly Hellcat / Corsairs with only one squadron each of Spitfires (8) and Wildcats(8). They will be good enough for the task till upgrades.

The key was retiring the 2 Swordfish squadrons onshore (1 and 2 planes of 12 respectively 0 replacements and no upgrades to Barracuda / Albacores yet PDU off). They can wait.

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What is difficult to navigate is the timing / location / squadrons of carrier capable FAA assets.

Thanks for that zip Barb. I will study it a home.

In addition to smaller British pools of replacements and slower rate of air frames; its tough to play it out as you envision it.

I think I now better understand why the Royal Navy Pacific Fleet primarily only participated in latter 1945 i.e. Okinawa, Taiwan, etc.

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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/20/2016 3:32:44 PM   
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I tend to say "Small minds often stumble in similar direction."

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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/20/2016 7:12:07 PM   
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Are you looking for good historical documentation of the British WW2 CVs? Might be interesting for making your TFs more historical.

Armoured Carriers is a very good source.

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RE: Allied Vet Advice : British Carriers and components - 12/21/2016 5:28:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Anachro

Are you looking for good historical documentation of the British WW2 CVs? Might be interesting for making your TFs more historical.

Armoured Carriers is a very good source.

good Site Thanks

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