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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/22/2017 3:27:32 PM   
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I think there may be a misunderstanding of the card I proposed.

It is a card played by a nation to equip troops for winter warfare. It should have a significant cost, perhaps 150PP, and it would negate special effectiveness penalties due to winter in harsh winter areas. Like "Better Training" it would be paid once per game. It would apply to all following winters since no one at the time was capable of predicting when a specially harsh winter would come. Very many invasions of Russia in our games come well before 1941. I also propose that the Soviets get "winter preparedness" without paying the cost.

Let's say the British plan a campaign against the Italians in Spain. It is September so winter campaigning is expected. Because Spain does not have significantly hard winters neither Italy or Great Britain bother to spend the 150PP. They both have some degradation from winter effects bur "no harm, no foul".

Another touch would be to make the card more expensive the closer to winter it is purchased. March, April, May, and June = 150, July, August, September = 180, October, November = 300, December, January, February = 400. This reflects both actual production, but especially the cost of getting supplies to the front. Shipping winter supplies in mud months should be brutal.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/22/2017 3:37:25 PM   
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Only thing is, Ernie said he can't isolate areas as stronger or weaker winters...it's all or nothing. But, your idea is a good one in my opinion.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/22/2017 3:48:13 PM   
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Well, I *can* make stronger winters, it is just some extra effort, and if for all nations it would be an almost insurmountable amount.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/22/2017 4:00:12 PM   
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So, no climate zones, too bad, but I still think it works.

The Italians and British can still choose to buy winter preparedness or not. If both do, or don't, then no harm, no foul. If one does and the other does not should we let everybody know? If we tell that the British bought in September then the Italians will have to pony up 180PP in October or face the consequences.

Just thinking, and remember that like the expensive "Better Training" the winter preparedness last all game long after purchased,

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/22/2017 4:20:34 PM   
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I know it is probably just an example, but Spain is never really hit by winter..

In any case, I will do some thinking (brooding maybe)... and try and come up with the solution i think best. I encourage you to continue playtesting until i have thought out something new.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/22/2017 4:54:32 PM   
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Do you want us to play a few more turns to get through the Winter? If so what information are you looking for so we can be setting up situations to gather the information that you need?

Other than getting some more designer information I think this game is dead.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/22/2017 5:06:20 PM   
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Hmm.. well.. if you have nothing else to do, until at least wednesday, which is the first time this week I will have time to program, then you can either discuss what changes you want, or play on.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/22/2017 6:41:50 PM   
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My vote is for more playtest until we understand how the current system is working.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/23/2017 4:01:24 AM   
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Ok, well, I'm supportive of this and just assume we play test the game and finish it :) I'll do my turn now.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/23/2017 9:46:38 PM   
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I am not committed to play beyond May 1939.
I am doing my January turn for USA right now and I see a major problem with the weather zones. Nearly the entire USA is in severe weather including Georgia, Texas, and most of Southern California. A good part of the USA is very pleasant throughout the winter. In fact I would roughly draw the line of Severe weather through New York. Pittsburg, Chicago, Kansas City, Denver, to 190.33 south of Seattle. All of the mountains would be severe weather.

Engineers cannot build north of San Diego or Florida which is not accurate. Actually engineers could build anywhere in he USA. Severe weather would make it more difficult.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/23/2017 10:28:54 PM   
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Ok, guys, I agree with you, since the majority of players here believe the troubles with the scenario are serious, I change my vote. Let us finish this game while I will work a fix with Claus.
My position is:
1-Engineers can build everywhere
2-Maybe we can change weather zones
3-I believe the readiness penalty for winter should be applied to everyone, but it might be somewhat smaller for the Russians. Severe winter, at least in the open, resluts in a decrease of combat capacity even if you´re well prepared. The simple fact that you have longer nights already implies in a significant decrease in the opportunity for military action.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/23/2017 10:43:19 PM   
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Bombur, when you say "finish this game" do you mean complete it or quit it?

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/23/2017 11:18:08 PM   
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Quit it, sorry....bad translation from Portuguese....

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/23/2017 11:49:27 PM   
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Your English is excellent, "finish" was just ambiguous in this case.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/24/2017 12:41:33 AM   
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Well, at least it ends with China drawing some more Japanese blood....

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/24/2017 2:12:48 PM   
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Ok, so we are done, then? 28 is dead? That's too bad....I don't see why we couldn't have moved forward and just used the engineer thing as a different strategic planning choice for this game. Oh well, I'll cya guys.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/24/2017 2:16:30 PM   
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RIP Game 28 1/24/07

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/24/2017 3:03:48 PM   
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ok. ENDING GAME 28. Still need some more work on weather effects and zones (probably).

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/24/2017 8:19:57 PM   
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Already had a virtual meeting with Claus last Sunday.

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RE: GD1938 Game 28 - 1/24/2017 11:15:56 PM   
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That good stuff, Bombur. I was so looking forward to playing Germany, though :(

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