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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 5:35:53 PM   
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1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. Yes, depot divs and kamikazes

It will give him 2 + months of time though, and every allied player in '42 knows how important that can be.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 6:25:38 PM   
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Toyohara is a huge blow - that's aircraft production that Kane no longer has. Great job.

I think you are confused with Toyama (on Honshu). Toyohara is on Sakhalin and has beaucoup resources and maybe a little light industry. No aircraft factories were harmed in the making of this invasion.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 6:39:37 PM   
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1. At this point in April 1942, do you have the strength to put up much of a fight if the KB and IJN concentrate in the area?

Not at this point. My carriers are upgrading in India. It could take me two months to redeploy them to NoPac. Then I will be willing to risk a carrier engagement, IF Mr Kane comes in range of my LBA (which by then I hope it will be at least 500 aircraft).

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2. You've got 150k captured supply across multiple islands. Is that enough to build the airfields, repair the airfields, and keep your troops fed?

It's enough for now. The 2nd wave (if it goes well) will deliver another 180k supplies. That's enough for 3-5 months I'm guessing.

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3. If your opponent concentrates to counter you here, can you actually keep supply going in to these islands 2+ months out?

In May+June, there will be no further resupply effort, save for USN fleet subs and cheap xAKLs. After my CVs arrive I am willing to risk them under certain circumstances. I expect further resupply missions after June.

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4. In April 1942 Japanese air power is more than an over match for you, or it should be. What are the chances he can evaporate those supplies via bombing?

Having played Japan, I think people overestimate her 1942 advantage in airpower and underestimate the Allied airpower. The disparity is very big for 2-3 months, but after that it gradually disappears.

Furthermore, Mr Kane must redeploy significant airforces from China and Burma relieving pressure in those fronts.

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4a. Related: assuming you get those aviation support units in, once your opponent has good pilots and air units concentrated in the area, what is the likelihood that you can actually sustain a cap over the islands?

He who sweeps wins.
Paramushiro is outside Zero range and Onnekotan is 14 hexes from Bihoro. Sakhalin should be bombed immediately by Mr Kane. I should already have CAP there, but I don't

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4b. Are you able to rotate fighters in and out through the air?

Once Pramushiro has an airfield then I'll have an air bridge from Toyohara to Prince Rupert.

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4c. What is the soonest you can realistically use the bases to sweep and strat bomb Japan?

4-6 months for strat bombing is my guess. For sweeps, much earlier.
2 weeks to deliver the AV support, another 2 to bring probable base damage down to zero and then the build up begins. This assumes regaining air superiority over my bases. I don't know, there are too many variables, it depends on the reaction of Mr Kane.

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5. Did any of your invasions trigger the Japanese emergency reinforcements? If so, what exactly is he getting and how will that impact you (here or elsewhere?)

No, they are triggered by an invasion of Hokkaido.


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 6:43:54 PM   
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Plus, what Encircled said; time! (more than two months I hope).

I am willing to lose every single unit up there if Japan commits major forces for the next few months.
If the KB is in NoPac, then she is not in SE Asia

p.s. Toyohara has 520 resource factories and 40 Light Industry. Shikuka has 31 oil.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 8:36:12 PM   
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I don't recall you being this bold and aggressive in our game. First Hawaii and now here.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 8:42:33 PM   
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Plus, what Encircled said; time! (more than two months I hope).

I am willing to lose every single unit up there if Japan commits major forces for the next few months.
If the KB is in NoPac, then she is not in SE Asia

p.s. Toyohara has 520 resource factories and 40 Light Industry. Shikuka has 31 oil.


That's a fair enough point. I'm not sure how I would react as a Japanese player (having never played Japan myself); however, my gut intuition would be that, while I still had the ability to, I would need to get you out of those islands. Not doing so is doom in that it makes strategic bombing of Japan proper possible before 1943.

The KB is too far away for this, but my inclination would be to try and throw something together before the invasion bonus wears off. Given that, I'd wager an over reaction on his part.

I cannot believe he had no naval search. That's crazy.

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Did you run any recon on those islands prior to the invasion force's covering carriers getting close enough? If so, how did you do it? Do you have range from the Aleutians? To me, any air recon missions in weird places would have caused me to over reinforce those places.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 9:16:07 PM   
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I doubt recon of the invaded points was needed. Olorin was keeping tabs on the Japanese units in every theatre and would have known that no strong units were left to hold the invasion points. Strongest would have been Karafuto mixed brigade at Toyohara.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 9:26:06 PM   
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Defo Japanese emergency reinforcements triggered by this Olorin.



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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/25/2017 2:29:06 AM   
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I doubt recon of the invaded points was needed. Olorin was keeping tabs on the Japanese units in every theatre and would have known that no strong units were left to hold the invasion points. Strongest would have been Karafuto mixed brigade at Toyohara.


I definitely could not do that. :D Now that Kamikazes are turned on, do they stay on, even if the territory in question falls back into Japanese hands?

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/25/2017 3:38:30 AM   
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I doubt recon of the invaded points was needed. Olorin was keeping tabs on the Japanese units in every theatre and would have known that no strong units were left to hold the invasion points. Strongest would have been Karafuto mixed brigade at Toyohara.


I definitely could not do that. :D Now that Kamikazes are turned on, do they stay on, even if the territory in question falls back into Japanese hands?

Kamikazis do not activate until 1/1/44

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/25/2017 3:50:51 AM   
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Defo Japanese emergency reinforcements triggered by this Olorin.



The Japanese part of Sakhalin is country code 101, just like the Kuriles and all the small islands surrounding the main four islands of Japan. The main part of Japan is code 100.
In my game the Russians invaded southern Sakhalin and the US is in the Kuriles - no reinforcements for the Japanese. I am playing Scenario 1.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/25/2017 8:41:53 AM   
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In my game (Scen 2), I invaded Parashimo-Java and the one next to it in May '42

My opponent said it triggered the emergency reinforcements and my Signit has identified "Depot Divisions"

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/25/2017 10:01:54 AM   
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I have run a test in hot seat mode by invading every Kurille island plus Sakhalin and no reinforcements were triggered. I then invaded Hokkaido and voila! The depot divisions appeared in Honshu. So, I don't know maybe the code was changed later.


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I don't recall you being this bold and aggressive in our game. First Hawaii and now here.


You were very careful and I couldn't find opportunities

But never forget Esperance

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/25/2017 12:14:46 PM   
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April 31, 1942:

CenPac:

Tabituea now has size 5 forts, with 303AV, kept in supply by 17 USN subs.

NoPac:
- 6 damaged transport ships succumb to their wounds and/or are sunk by subs.
- No airfield attacks so far.
- Supplies are being unloaded at Paramushiro and Onnekotan.
- The rest of the allied fleet is retiring to the Aleutians safely.
- 2 Japanese DDs spotted 15 SW of Shimushiri.

Airfield Status:
Shimushiri: 0.11 / 0 av.support
Onnekotan 0.56 / 57 av.support
Paramushiro: 0.2 / 0 av.support
Shikuka: 1.1 / 0 av.support
Toyohara: 1 / 71 av.support


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/25/2017 12:20:06 PM   
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But never forget Esperance


Keep this up and I'll demand a rematch to set the record right. John 3rd had taken western Australia from me and I had taken it from Gen Patton.

Right now I'm doing two restarts (Gen Patton and 1EyedJack) due to Japan's economic parameters being messed up in the Editor somehow for BTS Lite. HI was requiring twice the normal fuel input.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/26/2017 12:23:10 AM   
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Defo Japanese emergency reinforcements triggered by this Olorin.



The Japanese part of Sakhalin is country code 101, just like the Kuriles and all the small islands surrounding the main four islands of Japan. The main part of Japan is code 100.
In my game the Russians invaded southern Sakhalin and the US is in the Kuriles - no reinforcements for the Japanese. I am playing Scenario 1.

AH-HA! Mystery maybe solved. I just landed troops on Paramushiro Jima (most of the rest of the Kuriles are already taken) and this same turn the Japanese got their Depot division reinforcements.

I re-checked the country code and it is impossible to see the last digit of the code because of the position of the Japanese unit there. I thought it was code 101 like the rest of the Kuriles but it must have been code 100, and therefore a trigger for the depot divisions. BTW I am in August 1942, so it appears there is no "date delay" set on this trigger, unlike the kamikaze delay to 1944.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/26/2017 12:38:25 AM   
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Defo Japanese emergency reinforcements triggered by this Olorin.



The Japanese part of Sakhalin is country code 101, just like the Kuriles and all the small islands surrounding the main four islands of Japan. The main part of Japan is code 100.
In my game the Russians invaded southern Sakhalin and the US is in the Kuriles - no reinforcements for the Japanese. I am playing Scenario 1.

AH-HA! Mystery maybe solved. I just landed troops on Paramushiro Jima (most of the rest of the Kuriles are already taken) and this same turn the Japanese got their Depot division reinforcements.

I re-checked the country code and it is impossible to see the last digit of the code because of the position of the Japanese unit there. I thought it was code 101 like the rest of the Kuriles but it must have been code 100, and therefore a trigger for the depot divisions. BTW I am in August 1942, so it appears there is no "date delay" set on this trigger, unlike the kamikaze delay to 1944.

That sounds like a map (pwhex data) error.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/26/2017 1:11:39 AM   
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Defo Japanese emergency reinforcements triggered by this Olorin.



The Japanese part of Sakhalin is country code 101, just like the Kuriles and all the small islands surrounding the main four islands of Japan. The main part of Japan is code 100.
In my game the Russians invaded southern Sakhalin and the US is in the Kuriles - no reinforcements for the Japanese. I am playing Scenario 1.

AH-HA! Mystery maybe solved. I just landed troops on Paramushiro Jima (most of the rest of the Kuriles are already taken) and this same turn the Japanese got their Depot division reinforcements.

I re-checked the country code and it is impossible to see the last digit of the code because of the position of the Japanese unit there. I thought it was code 101 like the rest of the Kuriles but it must have been code 100, and therefore a trigger for the depot divisions. BTW I am in August 1942, so it appears there is no "date delay" set on this trigger, unlike the kamikaze delay to 1944.

That sounds like a map (pwhex data) error.

Don't know how that would arise. I am playing stock scenario 1 and have not changed the game maps - not even for the one with stacking limits.
Can someone else check their scenario one for the country code on P-J? Press the "4" key to see the country codes.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/26/2017 1:16:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Defo Japanese emergency reinforcements triggered by this Olorin.



The Japanese part of Sakhalin is country code 101, just like the Kuriles and all the small islands surrounding the main four islands of Japan. The main part of Japan is code 100.
In my game the Russians invaded southern Sakhalin and the US is in the Kuriles - no reinforcements for the Japanese. I am playing Scenario 1.

AH-HA! Mystery maybe solved. I just landed troops on Paramushiro Jima (most of the rest of the Kuriles are already taken) and this same turn the Japanese got their Depot division reinforcements.

I re-checked the country code and it is impossible to see the last digit of the code because of the position of the Japanese unit there. I thought it was code 101 like the rest of the Kuriles but it must have been code 100, and therefore a trigger for the depot divisions. BTW I am in August 1942, so it appears there is no "date delay" set on this trigger, unlike the kamikaze delay to 1944.

That sounds like a map (pwhex data) error.

Don't know how that would arise. I am playing stock scenario 1 and have not changed the game maps - not even for the one with stacking limits.
Can someone else check their scenario one for the country code on P-J? Press the "4" key to see the country codes.

Not by you, by the scenario designer. I'll bet that at one point the Kuriles were the same country code as the main islands, but then were changed. Only they missed one. That's just a guess of course.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/26/2017 1:18:28 AM   
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IN scenario 1, Paramushiro-jima and the tiny island to the East of it( no base ) are marked as country code 100.
All of the other islands and the Japanese hexes on Sakhalin are marked as 101.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/26/2017 1:30:17 AM   
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Thank you both. Because PJ is the only Kurile island with a fortress, I suspect the code was set as a trigger on purpose. Unfortunately for the Japanese, the Allies have intel on that now!

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/26/2017 12:05:08 PM   
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May 1-3, 1942:

NoPac:

- Toyohara attacked by 77 Oscars and 44 Nells. Airfield damage is 45.
- CarDiv1 (Akagi+Kaga) attacks allied shipping in the Kurile islands and sinks 20 cheap xAK and 2 AVD.
- Onnekotan-jima now has a lvl1 airfield. Paramushiro at 56%.

SE Asia:
- Mr Kane makes another attempt to reinforce Mulmein by sea. This time the transports are covered by 120 fighters and escorted by a strong cruiser force. No attempt is made to intercept. Recon shows 55k troops and 35 units at Mulmein.
- I bomb Lashio with 40 B-17s.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/28/2017 7:12:44 PM   
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May 4-8, 1942:

NoPac:

Mr Kane reacts immediately.
- Japan lands 54th Division at Shimushiri. Mr Kane must have had the necessary PPs to immediately buy this unit from Honshu.
200 of its squads are disabled during landing, but it can still take the base from my meager garrison (90AV). The enemy landing lasts for 4 days ans is still ongoing.
- CarDiv1 remains off the Kuriles covering the landing. Onnekotan-jima is overstacked with 100 fighters. On may 7th, I set a LRCAP trap over two AVD. I lose the ships but kill 15 Vals, 1 Kate and 5 Zeroes.
- On May 8th, one of my 20 subs finds CarDiv1, launches 4 torpedoes against Kaga and scores 1 hit. Fuel storage explosion is reported, however, the next day CarDiv1 is still there with 135 aircraft reported.
- CarDiv1 sweeps Onnekotan-jima with 20 Zeroes and hits empty air.
- Meanwhile, Toyohara is constantly bombed, but has enough engineers to continue airfield expansion.
- Paramushiro-jima now has a lvl1 airfield as well.

SE Asia:
- 1 hex NE of Mulmein the enemy advances against Pegu with what appears to be a reinforced division. I think Mr Kane now has 6 divisions in Burma, not counting the smaller units. I order the evacuation of Pegu.
- In the air, 35 Hurricanes sweep 1 hex NE of Pegu over the enemy ground units and kill 5 Nicks.
- Over Rangoon, I set a CAP trap and kill 20 Sallies. Airfield damage is 25.
- Mr Kane returned the favor by killing 20 Marauders over Lashio.

ABDA Com:
- Another deliberate attack at Ambon.
- Port Moersby constantly bombed and out of supply, but it's mostly empty by now.

China:
- Supplies down to 33k. Bitter fighting and air attacks everywhere.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/28/2017 8:54:50 PM   
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How are your aircraft pools holding up? I always find that Spring/Summer of 42 that I feel a pinch that only is alleviated in the fall when the P-40K and new P-38 model arrives.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/30/2017 3:37:06 PM   
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How are your aircraft pools holding up? I always find that Spring/Summer of 42 that I feel a pinch that only is alleviated in the fall when the P-40K and new P-38 model arrives.


Hi sorry for the delay, I was away from the forum for a while.

My aircraft pools are almost empty and most of my air groups are at 90% strength. I am careful not to deplete my on map strength... too much.

In June '42, there is a mass withdrawal of air groups from the map which will increase my pools for a while.


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/30/2017 3:46:21 PM   
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May 9-10, 1942:

NoPac:

- CarDiv1 sweeps Onnekotan-jima from the S/SW. I had a golden opportunity to attack Akagi and Kaga with Hornet, but I decided to wait for a day and the chance was missed. Two days later, wounded Kaga retires to Honshu and Akagi remains in the AO sweeping Onnekotan.
- 60 av.support squads were delivered at Shikuka at the cost of 5 APDs.
- Toyohara is being bombed. 1-2 Nells claimed by flak daily. Expansion continues unabated.
- 60 Catalinas delivering two air HQs from Attu island.
- On May 9th, BBs Mutsu and Nagato bombard Shimushiri-jima. On May 10th, I do the same with Colorado and Mississippi. Then Mr Kane launches a deliberate attack with his 54th Div, which fails to take the island...for now.

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I am in Sept of 1943 and my pools are empty. Mr. Kane is brutal in the air....

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/30/2017 4:02:12 PM   
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Speaking of the air war...


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 2/9/2017 1:02:27 PM   
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Any update?

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 2/10/2017 9:38:54 AM   
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Sorry, I've been on vacation for a week.

May 9-18, 1942:

NoPac:
- In the north, Akagi and Hornet hover about 10 hexes from each other for several turns. I've got 95 fighters based at Paramushiro and 2 BBs for cover, while 25 subs are hunting the enemy carrier.
- Shimushiri-jima still in allied hands. I'm reinforcing by air.
- Airfield expansion continues.

SE Asia:
- Pegu is abandoned to the enemy.
- Enemy paratroopers still at Lashio.
- Allied CVs upgrading at Colombo.

China:
- Supplies are down to 30k. A MLR is established and it looks stable for now.
- About 180 supplies are air dropped daily from Ledo.

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