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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/26/2016 12:38:02 PM   
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AVDs - Use two of these ships in a TF loaded with supplies and go to some forward base (disband) to proved Aviation Support for a PBY group. There are many bases, even dot bases, that you can do this across the South Pacific. While playing a game as Japan now, its nice to have the range of the Mavis/Emily, I do miss having enough PBYs to have continuous Naval Search from Pearl to Australia (Pearl, Johnson, Canton, Pago Pago, Suva, Noumea). Maybe some in Gilberts and Ellice Island groups.

Old, slow, great range, but deadly Vindicator DBs are great to operate from an AF size 2 to attack non-LRCAP TFs. You have two groups that I would have hopping around.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/26/2016 2:56:02 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/26/2016 6:51:09 PM   
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Strategic Reserve, 6th War Area, 4200AV: Assemble in Kukong and liberate Canton and Hong Kong in January.

I might miss something but this looks overly ambitious and a waste of supply?
Crappy Chinese squads vs x4 terrain - looks like no chances to me unless Mr Kane devoids the area of troops. But there are hefty garrison reqs for Canton so a div+ or real IJA squads will be there at all times. All the IJ China airpower will be there the moment Mr Kane sees you coming out of Kukong, and there are good clear hexes around Canton

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/26/2016 7:23:14 PM   
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Strategic Reserve, 6th War Area, 4200AV: Assemble in Kukong and liberate Canton and Hong Kong in January.

I might miss something but this looks overly ambitious and a waste of supply?
Crappy Chinese squads vs x4 terrain - looks like no chances to me unless Mr Kane devoids the area of troops. But there are hefty garrison reqs for Canton so a div+ or real IJA squads will be there at all times. All the IJ China airpower will be there the moment Mr Kane sees you coming out of Kukong, and there are good clear hexes around Canton

It is a gamble no doubt about it, for the reason you mentioned. What I have on my side is sheer mass and strategic surprise. The IJA is committed in the north and I don't believe I will face more than 850 AV. The enemy can't defend both Canton and Hong Kong with this force, if I take one of the two I'll be happy.

SigInt reports the following units are at Canton: 104th Inf Div, 1st Inf Group, 66th Inf Rgt, 68th Inf Bn.

If it fails... just think of the supply saved by the fact that I won't have to feed this force any more.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/26/2016 7:27:06 PM   
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You seem quite a bit more advanced at the game than me so I am not going to post much advice.

I am following this AAR closely however.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/26/2016 7:34:00 PM   
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You seem quite a bit more advanced at the game than me so I am not going to post much advice.

I am following this AAR closely however.


There are many forum members more advance than me and I 'm playing the Allies for the first time against a very good player.


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/26/2016 7:40:34 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/26/2016 9:49:09 PM   
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You seem quite a bit more advanced at the game than me so I am not going to post much advice.

I am following this AAR closely however.


There are many forum members more advance than me and I 'm playing the Allies for the first time against a very good player.



He is kicking my butt around, that is for sure!!

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/26/2016 11:53:18 PM   
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You're a much more experienced player than I am, so take my advice with a grain (or heaping tablespoon) of salt.

It looks like you're committing to an aggressive forward defense (Adak, Port Blair, Rangoon). That's all well and good, but at this point in the game, Mr. Kane can take almost any hex he wants. You can make it costly for him, but if he sets his sights on Rangoon or Port Blair or Adak, there is very little you can do to actually keep the hex in Allied control. While you commit your forces forward, be sure not to neglect your secondary lines.

Plan to keep Rangoon, but also plan to lose it, and ensure that your Akyab-Imphal line sees some attention.
Plan to keep Port Blair, but also plan to lose it, and ensure that you're not leaving Columbo undefended.
Plan to keep Adak, but also plan to lose it, and ensure that the rest of Alaska is not neglected.

I think that as the allies it is easy to draw a line on the map and say "This is where I'll make my stand" in 1941 and early 1942, but in reality, where you make your stand as the allies has more to do with where the Japanese player becomes overextended once the amphibious bonus runs out rather than where the allies decide to build up.

As I said, you are twice the player I'll ever be, so please don't change your strategy on my account. I'm excited to see how the game progresses.


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/27/2016 12:30:09 AM   
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Looking forward to seeing where you go with your strategies as I am a few months ahead and have few different areas where I have made hard for him to take and nice to keep locations. Your China gambit looks intriguing and might be copied in the future if successful.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/27/2016 10:23:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: paradigmblue

You're a much more experienced player than I am, so take my advice with a grain (or heaping tablespoon) of salt.

It looks like you're committing to an aggressive forward defense (Adak, Port Blair, Rangoon). That's all well and good, but at this point in the game, Mr. Kane can take almost any hex he wants. You can make it costly for him, but if he sets his sights on Rangoon or Port Blair or Adak, there is very little you can do to actually keep the hex in Allied control. While you commit your forces forward, be sure not to neglect your secondary lines.

Plan to keep Rangoon, but also plan to lose it, and ensure that your Akyab-Imphal line sees some attention.
Plan to keep Port Blair, but also plan to lose it, and ensure that you're not leaving Columbo undefended.
Plan to keep Adak, but also plan to lose it, and ensure that the rest of Alaska is not neglected.

I think that as the allies it is easy to draw a line on the map and say "This is where I'll make my stand" in 1941 and early 1942, but in reality, where you make your stand as the allies has more to do with where the Japanese player becomes overextended once the amphibious bonus runs out rather than where the allies decide to build up.

As I said, you are twice the player I'll ever be, so please don't change your strategy on my account. I'm excited to see how the game progresses.




Please. Say that in four game months when China will be crumbling, Burma destroyed, India invaded and Mr Kane is close to an AV.

The way I see it, there is always going to be a rear area that will be vulnerable to Japan wherever I make my stand, so I chose a forward defense and hope that at least one theater succeeds.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/27/2016 10:38:01 AM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/27/2016 10:55:48 AM   
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Sorry for the lack of screenshots, we're flipping turns like madmen.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/27/2016 4:34:38 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/27/2016 5:27:49 PM   
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If I were you I would focus more on forts and less on airfields. You will have no use of a level 9 AF for a long long time.


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/28/2016 1:58:14 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/28/2016 4:01:43 PM   
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Since you usually play Japan, are there are any realizations or surprises that you've found playing as the allies? Unexpected challenges or opportunities?

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/28/2016 9:13:55 PM   
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You have to remember that your aircraft pools are really weak, especially in fighters

Can only echo what Joc has said, build forts

I'd be scanning Mr Kanes AAR as well.

He doesn't do "get to an holdable perimeter" and fight the allies till they break it, he goes deep and he goes deep quickly.



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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 9:19:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: paradigmblue

Since you usually play Japan, are there are any realizations or surprises that you've found playing as the allies? Unexpected challenges or opportunities?


The biggest surprise for me in the first 20 days is the severe lack of escorts. I hadn't realized as Japan just how vulnerable allied shipping is in the first months of the war.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 9:21:35 AM   
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You have to remember that your aircraft pools are really weak, especially in fighters

Can only echo what Joc has said, build forts

I'd be scanning Mr Kanes AAR as well.

He doesn't do "get to an holdable perimeter" and fight the allies till they break it, he goes deep and he goes deep quickly.




I don't think Mr Kane does an AAR for this game, I'll try to convince him to start one.


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 9:36:28 AM   
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You have to remember that your aircraft pools are really weak, especially in fighters

Can only echo what Joc has said, build forts

I'd be scanning Mr Kanes AAR as well.

He doesn't do "get to an holdable perimeter" and fight the allies till they break it, he goes deep and he goes deep quickly.




I don't think Mr Kane does an AAR for this game, I'll try to convince him to start one.



He is playing at least 2-3 games right now and doing turns like mad on several of them. I doubt he has time for an AAR.

We are in March of 1943 and turning 4-6 turns a day.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 9:39:14 AM   
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We did 10 turns during the weekend and I feel burned.
I don't know how he does it, I'll try to tone it down to 2-3 turns per day to keep my sanity.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 10:35:46 AM   
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Crikey, just realised that my post could be read as "you should read his current AAR"

Not at all! Thats not what I meant! That would be cheating!

Have a look at some of his older AARs, or the AARs of his opponents. They will give you clues on what he's capable of and how far he goes.

Regarding escorts, you feel the loss of every single one of them in '42

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 11:06:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: paradigmblue

Since you usually play Japan, are there are any realizations or surprises that you've found playing as the allies? Unexpected challenges or opportunities?


The biggest surprise for me in the first 20 days is the severe lack of escorts. I hadn't realized as Japan just how vulnerable allied shipping is in the first months of the war.



You can't let that freeze you into inaction leaving your shipping sitting in ports waiting for escorts.
You have to simply flood the shipping lanes with so much traffic he can't sink it all.
Use round about routes.
Hoard your few escort assets at major port hubs where he has concentrated sub fields and escort your TFs in and out of the sub fields without committing them to the entire journey of each cargo TF.
Create some CL/DD TFs to serve as reactionary forced to intercept AMC raiders when they appear.
Consider using your carriers to hunt down AMC raiders while you are trying not to engage the KB with them.
I often choose one port for shipping out troops (San Fran) and one port for shipping out supply and fuel (LA).
This reduces the number of major port hubs I need to concentrate my ASW assets at and means every last sub clustered around the ones I'm not using are being wasted.
YPs can be converted to YMS which can escort Transport TFs but not Cargo TFs.
Convert your Wickes and Clemson class DDs to APDs. They have 6 ASW which makes them the best you have for a long time.
Use them for escorts and as in ASW TFs.
Don't convert them to DEs as you get plenty of those later and fewer APDs.

That's about all I can contribute with a quick stream of thought.
Will add more later as it occurs to me.


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 11:51:12 AM   
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We did 10 turns during the weekend and I feel burned.
I don't know how he does it, I'll try to tone it down to 2-3 turns per day to keep my sanity.


When I played him we could do 5-10 per evening on weekdays and sometimes twice that on weekends.

He flips turns like a madman.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 11:58:23 AM   
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When I played him we could do 5-10 per evening on weekdays and sometimes twice that on weekends.
He flips turns like a madman.

Interesting, I could only do that if I cut down the time I spend on each turn in half.






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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 11:59:56 AM   
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Have a look at some of his older AARs, or the AARs of his opponents. They will give you clues on what he's capable of and how far he goes.


I know what you mean, I had a quick look at two of his AARs.


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 12:00:15 PM   
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We did 10 turns during the weekend and I feel burned.
I don't know how he does it, I'll try to tone it down to 2-3 turns per day to keep my sanity.


When I played him we could do 5-10 per evening on weekdays and sometimes twice that on weekends.

He flips turns like a madman.


I can not comprehend such a pace ! I'm playing one PBEM and we do a turn a day during the week and 2-3 per day on the weekend. Keeping up with one game is all I can manage. I really admire the players that have multiple games and still have time for an AAR as well !

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 12:19:29 PM   
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(a)You have to simply flood the shipping lanes with so much traffic he can't sink it all.
(b)Hoard your few escort assets at major port hubs where he has concentrated sub fields and escort your TFs in and out of the sub fields without committing them to the entire journey of each cargo TF.
(c)Create some CL/DD TFs to serve as reactionary forced to intercept AMC raiders when they appear.
(d)Convert your Wickes and Clemson class DDs to APDs. They have 6 ASW which makes them the best you have for a long time. Use them for escorts and as in ASW TFs. Don't convert them to DEs as you get plenty of those later and fewer APDs.


Thanks,
(a) I find easy to do that in the Pacific, but he kills me at narrow straits like Osthaven and Makassar.
(b) Interesting. I chose to leave my long range convoys unescorted and concentrate ASW near ports, due to lack of range of allied escorts. Other than 1-2 PGs, nothing can make it from WC to AUS without slowing down the convoy with underway refueling.
(c) I hadn't considered AMCs until now. Will follow.
(d) Will follow your advice. No DEs.

I have a question. My WC to AUS convoys are red (not enough fuel for the whole trip). I have minimal refueling on. I suppose they will refuel in AUS and have enough fuel for the return trip, am I right?

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 11/29/2016 2:05:59 PM   
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I have a question. My WC to AUS convoys are red (not enough fuel for the whole trip). I have minimal refueling on. I suppose they will refuel in AUS and have enough fuel for the return trip, am I right?


I send them one way, which allows me to set a waypoint near the Marquesa(sp?) islands.
This keeps the southward run sufficiently far back from the Line Islands to be out of danger and the westward run sufficiently far south of the Pago Pago/Suva/Noumea line to be out of danger.
It requires keeping an eye on Auckland to know when to turn them around.

I also set up CS convoys from EC to Cristobal and then run supplies and fuel to Auckland from there.
The entry point is due east of Auckland so the convoys run rear the bottom map edge in relative safety.
Always make the run from Cristobal to Balboa manually as the AI adds several days of transit time for the canal if you go from Cristobal directly to the map.

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