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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 12:47:48 AM   
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Here's all the computer convoys. I tend to overlook the computer convoys since there are so few of them. Also, I'm running most
of my minesweeping and ASW missions on 'human' control because I like to change up the pattern used from time to time to
confuse Brian's subs. I've also tried to lay some mines around the harbor at Tokyo in the shallow water but it didn't work out very
well. So then I tried laying the mines at the smaller islands near the Yokohoma harbor and that didn't seem to work out either. So
I'm laying the mines elsewhere now. Mostly at those places where I've recently captured something. Or those places where I intend
to go in the future. And some just to harrass Brian, like Port Moresby.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 12:52:46 AM   
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I'm interrupting the tour of the different types of convoys to publish these breaking news items. TF 20 was the one I had tasked to land
at Boela and they seemed to go through the maneuvors and then all of a sudden they re-embarked and now they are in RTB mode.
The Allied defenders proved to be way too stout to push over and the commander decided to save the men for another day. So I'm
going to redirect them to a different port and use them to capture some place or other.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 1:08:06 AM   
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I started cutting and pasting and cutting and pasting and pretty soon the image got pretty large
so I stopped somewhere in the 'S's. These are the human convoys. It's most of them as you
can surmise. I've eliminated from the list those ASW and SCTF patrols since there's so many of
them and they aren't carrying any goodies anywhere. This category reminds me of the "Misc"
category for the missions. Whenever I can put a TF on CS then I do usually, but those TF's
that are going to have minor damage on them by the time they get to their destination I sometimes
put leave those as regular convoys so I can tell them to disband when they arrive. To get the
repair started ASAP. Most of the time I let those ships that have goodies I need onboard to unload
first THEN repair.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 1:19:51 AM   
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I ran Rabaul out of gas a few days ago and when I finally noticed, yesterday, I dispatched a TF to load some fuel and take it to
Rabaul and it's still two days out and nobody at Rabaul can move until he arrives. It's got only 18K of fuel about half of what
Rabaul is going to need for future operations so at least one more TF is indicated. I'll dispatch one right now.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 1:44:24 AM   
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I checked out Manila just now to see what gives and I've found 5 TF's either loaded or loading for immediate shipment of troops to points
south. I found two TF's that were headed to Boela and it seems that the 65th Brigade and some backup arty might dislodge the
Allies. But on the other hand there's 22K of them and these are probably Australians and not Chinese coolies. I might have to do a lot
of preparitory bombardment before these troops land. I'll put that on my todo list right now.

EDIT: And, yes, I know it's AT the dock and not ON the dock. I don't know why my right hand wrote that.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 2:07:29 AM   
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The recon values are low for PM and Milne Bay both and my battle results show it. I haven't hit anything yet I don't believe, at either
site. The last time I tangled with PM's air cover it was 40 X P-40's and they were trained as I recall. Not new guys. So I have a high
priority on smashing the airfields at PM and MB and I've got planes dedicated to bombing or sweeping them day and night. This is
how the air war is shaping up near Rabaul. There's some B-17's that are making a nuesance of themselves and I'm going to have
to head down to Darwin and bombard that base to see if I can put a stop to that, at least temporarily.

EDIT:: Sorry for the confusion. The B-17's are a problem in the Celebes area, not here at PM.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 4:07:34 AM   
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It's Wed. 22:03 tucson time and I've just gotten up from another refreshing nap. I'm in the final stages of my tinkering with the moves
tonight and I'm looking at all the transport missions especially those with troops, and I've discovered to my horror that I have a TF
that's nearing it's target but it's got no escorts at all. I'm wondering whether to abort the landing or not. They are almost there and
the troops have come all the way from Manila and they are getting tired of being on the ship and they want solid ground under their
feet again. I don't have any escorts nearby that I can re-purpose really quick. But I need to give them some DD's at the very least.
I'll send what's available at Singapore and let the TF hover at a nearby friendly port until the escorts show up.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 4:17:18 AM   
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I found some unemployed SCTF elements at Singapore that volunteered to escort TF 138, which I have redirected to loiter at
Georgetown for a day or two while the escorts approach. That ought to save a lot of digital lives.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 4:23:24 AM   
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TF 376 is headed to the island of Java to port I'm calling K-town. I ran a sub in there and sort of proved there's no mines there so I'm
going to use that port to insert my Armour-heavy invaders and spread out and take over the island. That's the theory. You can see
on the list of TF's that there's several involving troops. They are all headed for a target somewhere and some will arrive soon.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 4:27:29 AM   
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I thought I'd send the 21st Division to Palembang just in case he's turned the place into a fortress. The 'A' part of the division is getting
into the CRB waters and should be needing some escorts soon. But I can't include any BB's in the escort corps because they can't
make it up the river to Palembang.

EDIT: The "B" and "C" parts of the division are still at Shanghi I think.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 12:33:49 PM   
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TF 138, which I have redirected to loiter at Georgetown for a day or two


It looks like this TF is set to Unload. If you do not want them to Unload at Georgetown, you should change this setting. Just make sure you change it back when they leave the port for Sabang. Nothing worse then getting to the destination and having the guys not unload and then you wonder way and then you realize they were doing exactly what you told them to do and then like a good commander you blame the staff ...

What are your recon levels at Sabang? Do you have an idea of what the garrison looks like?

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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/1/2016 1:04:29 PM   
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It looks like this TF is set to Unload. If you do not want them to Unload at Georgetown, you should change this setting. Just make sure you change it back when they leave the port for Sabang.

Good catch my friend.

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Nothing worse then getting to the destination and having the guys not unload and then you wonder way and then you realize they were doing exactly what you told them to do and then like a good commander you blame the staff ...

I've had this happen to me. The troops that went to Tarakan had one 'practice run' before they landed finally.

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What are your recon levels at Sabang? Do you have an idea of what the garrison looks like?

I thought maybe I should put together a picture showing the situation. TF 110, the TF at the bottom center of the image, is one
of the transports caught a torpedo and is limping into the next nearest port, Malacca, and will probably make it. The escorts for
the group headed for Sabang are approaching from the south. Sabang itself is defended by a pretty stout group of people. I'm
going to need some bombardment to take it I'm pretty sure.

Many thanks for asking though, you made me look up the answers, which is good for the game.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/2/2016 10:25:23 PM   
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New moves from Brian just now. I'm watching the combat replay and one of my subs has put a torpedo into an AKE between Pearl
and Palmyra. Looks like he's trying to staff up his bases with offensive equipment already. This is March of '42 and still early in the
war and he's thinking offensively. I'm impressed. He's lost two carriers and I've lost one and a couple of my BB's are in the shop
but there's plenty of fight still left in the old girls. I have no idea what I'm talking about but it sounds salty.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/2/2016 10:42:19 PM   
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Here's what's happening now. I've made several new landings in the Celebes, on Sumatra, and on the north coast of Java. I think the
Java invasion is too early. Those tank regiments don't have any AA, no ENG, and no INF to back them up and they don't have any
air cover and they have been getting pounded from the air constantly since they have been there. I'm assembling some back up and
air cover for them but it's still going to be a couple of days until help arrives. They may not be there then. So I'm toying with the idea
of moving all the troops to Singapore to assemble them together, put some of the pieces back together to make divisions again and
get some AF dudes into position and move some planes into the AO and THEN do a proper invasion.

I'm going to make Rabaul one of my minor hubs and I'd like to grab more positions yet closer to Tahati but I'm not sure there's enough
troops for that. Java and Sumatra have priority right now.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 1:05:40 AM   
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Now here's something you don't see every day. I noticed that the troop transports didn't have much in the way of escorts and I
wanted to merge a SCTF into it to give them some self defense when they invade and I had given the troop TF a patrol point
near Boela where they were to hover until the SCTF arrived and merged. So I got a message from the game engine that I couldn't
unload there. I ignored it since I didn't intend to unload there. But I forgot to toggle the "unload cargo" button to "do not unload
cargo" and that's the state the switch was in when I sent my moves to Brian about an 2 hours ago. So he did his magic and sent me
some moves, this is the next day from what happened earlier. The SCTF has merged with the troop transport, the troop transport
has downloaded all but a few of the supplies and are practically empty now, I'm sending them back to Manila for another trip
south. So I've got the troops moving toward Boela and they seem to have ample supplies......I'm wondering if they can carry
all those supplies with them into the Boela hex. And it turns out that indeed you CAN unload there. I've never seen that happen
before. I'll have to keep that in mind. Use it somewhere else too.

EDIT: Oh, and I wanted to say that I was thinking of breaking off most of the escorts and do a night naval bombardment of Boela
while I had them down there so close.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 1:26:49 AM   
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Oil, Oil, Oil!!

That is priority #1 for you until the end of March when your invasion bonus goes away. I've taken some of your game pace away as I've been on vacation this week so Brian has had to divide his turn flipping rate. I'm two months ahead and only Magwe is left to capture and finish repairs at Miri.

Burma - Brian sent 18th UK Div to Magwe and 1st Burma Div to Meiktila. I didn't bring ANY AA with me, so I got hurt from the air and had to pull back. Just a heads up as he may try the same with you. I had just two divisions, but now have five. It took a month to get the extra AA rgt and BFs from Japan there and in place.

Western Australia - I landed at Geraldton just before the end of March with three divisions. Now in early May, I have 5 brigades trapped in Perth while the 6th Aussie and 27th Division are both at Kalgoorlie and another 4 brigades are tied down three hexes to EES on the rail line by 8 tank rgts. Six divisions are there now with two more in route. I want to destroy them and force him to take a hit to his Aussie replacements.

I mention what is happening in Burma and western Australia to give you a heads up as we are playing with daily PP rate bumped up to 100/day. So, we are both getting about 1200 PP per month beyond what is normal. Expect to see a few extra divisions in your way.

Focus, young Jedi!!

Note: Std-C Class xAKs can upgrade/convert to small TKs in June. I would find them and steadily sent them to Japan to be used in safer waters until you can convert.

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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 1:48:02 AM   
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I'm using Tokyo as the logistical thermometer to tell me how things are going because Tokyo seems to change as the levels change in
the home islands and most of the goodies levels are fine as they are but all the month of March is seeing a steady drop in the oil
level. And that's troubling. It seems I have captured Miri, Tarakan, and Balikpapan in the nick of time. I've started pulling oil out of
Miri but it's going to be a while before a sizeable stockpile adds up to justify a trip to the home islands with a load. I've been putting
the Miri oil at CRB and the Tarakan and Balikpapan oil is going to go to Babeldoab. Palembang oil is going to CRB of course. I'm
thinking of using Singapore as a Main hub instead of CRB as the action of the war is moving south now. But Singapore is within the
range arc's of some Allied bombers still, probably.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 1:57:33 AM   
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Oil, Oil, Oil!!
That is priority #1 for you until the end of March when your invasion bonus goes away.

Roger that. I hear you. I've already seen the signs of a drop of oil in the home islands
and the need to step up the gather rate. Fortunately, I'm about half way through moving
troops to new targets but AK's can't carry oil IIRC. I'm going to need a bunch of TK's
and AO's to haul the black gold. I'll get the longer ranged ones busy moving it from
the hubs to the home islands. The trip from the spokes to the hub might turn out to be
tricky. I'll look at the inventory of TK's and segregate them according to range and
distribute them to the hubs and get them busy right away.

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I've taken some of your game pace away as I've been on vacation this week so Brian has had to divide his turn flipping rate. I'm two months ahead and only Magwe is left to capture and finish repairs at Miri.

You're two months ahead......cool. Fresh news like this will help out around here. I
appreciate that you're keeping US in the loop.

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Burma - Brian sent 18th UK Div to Magwe and 1st Burma Div to Meiktila. I didn't bring ANY AA with me, so I got hurt from the air and had to pull back. Just a heads up as he may try the same with you. I had just two divisions, but now have five. It took a month to get the extra AA rgt and BFs from Japan there and in place.

Yeah, he's doing the same thing to me. I'm moving AA units up there but supply isn't
quite getting all the way up north as far as Pegu. I'm going to pull those troops back
to refit and resupply and then try it again.

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Western Australia - I landed at Geraldton just before the end of March with three divisions. Now in early May, I have 5 brigades trapped in Perth while the 6th Aussie and 27th Division are both at Kalgoorlie and another 4 brigades are tied down three hexes to EES on the rail line by 8 tank rgts. Six divisions are there now with two more in route. I want to destroy them and force him to take a hit to his Aussie replacements.

Wow, exciting. I wish you guys were doing an AAR about it.

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I mention what is happening in Burma and western Australia to give you a heads up as we are playing with daily PP rate bumped up to 100/day. So, we are both getting about 1200 PP per month beyond what is normal. Expect to see a few extra divisions in your way.

Yeah, he bumped up the PP rate for our game too.

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Focus, young Jedi!!

I'm using history as my rough guide and mostly playing it by ear.

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Note: Std-C Class xAKs can upgrade/convert to small TKs in June. I would find them and steadily sent them to Japan to be used in safer waters until you can convert.

Oh wow. Many thanks for the heads up here. I'll be sure and do it.

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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 2:03:15 AM   
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Look at what's happening at Manila now. I've been forgetting to set the TF's to load troops only and it's been sucking the supplies
right off the dock as fast as they can deliver them. And so many ships have been though there that Manila has run out of fuel too.
D'oh. I hadn't planned for this and it shows. Word to the wise. I'll try to remember this for the next big push.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 2:10:52 AM   
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Oil, Oil, Oil!!
That is priority #1 for you until the end of March when your invasion bonus goes away.

Roger that. I hear you. I've already seen the signs of a drop of oil in the home islands
and the need to step up the gather rate. Fortunately, I'm about half way through moving
troops to new targets but AK's can't carry oil IIRC.


Yes, they can. They're not ideal, but they'll do the job in a pinch. The transport 1/2 their normal cargo capacity in oil.

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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 2:13:00 AM   
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All of the damage at Balilkpapan in the way of runway damage and service damage and port damage etc. has been repaired and now
as soon as I can accumulate about 10K supplies the boosting of the airfield and sandbags can commence. I'm tempted to run some
supplies in there so they will be over the limit sooner. I see though, that the oil level has risen back to a safe level, high enough to
justify taking another load out of there. You'd think I'd not try to take all of oil all at once but I'm in a hurry to get as much oil as I can
while I can so the oil level goes dangerously low when I take a load out of there.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 2:14:46 AM   
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Oil, Oil, Oil!!
That is priority #1 for you until the end of March when your invasion bonus goes away.

Roger that. I hear you. I've already seen the signs of a drop of oil in the home islands
and the need to step up the gather rate. Fortunately, I'm about half way through moving
troops to new targets but AK's can't carry oil IIRC.


Yes, they can. They're not ideal, but they'll do the job in a pinch. The transport 1/2 their normal cargo capacity in oil.

That's welcome news. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I forget things a lot.

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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 2:21:43 AM   
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Here's a TF that has just delivered the "A" part of the 33rd Division to Butuan and instead of just returning empty I had them load up
with RES and now they are going to move it to Hong Kong, one of my hubs, and then they are going to deadhead to Manila. I need
to undock them to get them started and I notice that they don't have any escorts. D'oh. There were none at Manila when they left.
I need to get them some now though. I'll look around.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 5:13:12 AM   
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Note: Std-C Class xAKs can upgrade/convert to small TKs in June. I would find them and steadily sent them to Japan to be used in safer waters until you can convert.

I found the Std-C class dudes that can convert to small TK's in June 1942. I have no idea how I'm going to remember this in June and
convert them. And I can hardly just let them sit in a port somewhere. I'd best make myself a note or something.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 1:16:20 PM   
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Std - A, B, C, D, E Class xAKs - If I remember right, it's been a long time since I played stock based PBEM, you can convert the A, B, C to small TKs in June. I would do so for all!! They are great for moving fuel and oil out of your smaller ports to larger ports were the ocean going TKs can take over along with moving it forward to smaller ports in the front lines. Make a note of this.

Philippine Archipelago - Once you take all these islands, you will find that you have 4 small Resource producing bases with size 2 ports (12k max). You will need to form 4 small CS Convoys made up of four Gozan Class xAKs and two Kiso Class PB to pick up the Resources and transport them to Naga (expand to size 4 Port). These TFs just fit in a size 2 port. Home port is the small bases with Naga as destination and Full Refuel in effect so they get their fuel from Naga. The Resource will migrate to Manila and later you can transport to Japan.

Miri - You can transport the fuel from there in the small 1250 capacity TKs to CRB, Manila, and over to Babeldoab. If you plan to repair the oil and refinery you may want to use some of the Std TKs that you convert.

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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 1:26:09 PM   
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Std - A, B, C, D, E Class xAKs - If I remember right, it's been a long time since I played stock based PBEM, you can convert the A, B, C to small TKs in June. I would do so for all!! They are great for moving fuel and oil out of your smaller ports to larger ports were the ocean going TKs can take over along with moving it forward to smaller ports in the front lines. Make a note of this.

I've already entered the image above listing the names of the ships I need to convert into
my todo list and posted in the AAR to remind me. It's an excellent idea.

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Philippine Archipelago - Once you take all these islands, you will find that you have 4 small Resource producing bases with size 2 ports (12k max). You will need to form 4 small CS Convoys made up of four Gozan Class xAKs and two Kiso Class PB to pick up the Resources and transport them to Naga (expand to size 4 Port). These TFs just fit in a size 2 port. Home port is the small bases with Naga as destination and Full Refuel in effect so they get their fuel from Naga. The Resource will migrate to Manila and later you can transport to Japan.

I've already done landings at the RES centers and am pulling RES out of one of them but
I can't remember the name of it right now. I'm loading the second load right now.

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Miri - You can transport the fuel from there in the small 1250 capacity TKs to CRB, Manila, and over to Babeldoab. If you plan to repair the oil and refinery you may want to use some of the Std TKs that you convert.

Yeah, great idea. I'm pulling fuel out of Miri with with little TK's and a little bit of
oil as well. I need to go easy on the oil because there's not much of an excess.

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More 'pearls of wisdom' to follow.

And they will all be received with appreciation.

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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 1:43:02 PM   
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When I'm not working on my moves for my game with Brian I'm usually tinkering with my anti-AI game where I'm the Allies and I play it
looking for insights I can use in my game with Brian. Here's how I'm doing as of 12Feb42 or so. I've had to shut down a lot of the
production of fuel and supplies because of the lack of oil and RES and Sydney is running dangerously low on fuel and I'm having a
really hard time keeping everything running and supplied and fight the war too. I'm having a blast. I've figured out that the bases in
the yellow boxes are some of those I think I can grab as the Jap player in my game with Brian and it amounts to about 1/3 of the total
production the Allies have and taking that away from the Allies will probably have a significant effect on their operational tempo. So
the earlier I can grab those the longer the war will be. That's the theory.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 3:25:09 PM   
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Sabang fell so the next step is to supply the base with some engineers and some AF dudes. You're probably thinking: why didn't I
think of those gentlemen and include them in the initial invasion instead of making a separate trip, I know I did. And then I remembered
that this was the TF that needed an injection of escorts to make the final run-in to the beach and they came from Tokyo or Manila
and the engineers and AF dudes are coming from Singapore. Sabang is going to need some supplies too in order to repair the
damage to the facilities and boost the airfield and port. More invasions further south along the coast are in order.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/3/2016 3:33:59 PM   
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And while I was at Singapore and had the ships available, I put together a small TF to test the ports on the east coast of
Sumatra. The idea is to drive into the port far enough to trigger any mines if there are any but to avoid the CD guns that
may frequent the ports.




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RE: General Patton v. Larry Fulkerson Scenario #76 - 12/4/2016 1:44:48 AM   
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My attack at K-town collapsed and everybody got killed. Here's all the units that were destroyed in Java. I think I invaded too early
before my aircraft could support the troops and the initial wave didn't include AA units that would have been invaluable. This was my
fault and only proves that I'm still learning.




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