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I guess it was just a matter of time...
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I have mixed feelings about this.
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In a world full of 'real' problems, I can't see the fate of the building as deserving this much effort.
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We already have enough hate in this world...
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Hate is overflowing right now.
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ORIGINAL: wings7

I guess it was just a matter of time...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/aus ... ar-AAj3Knk

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To my mind the strange thing is why now? I mean following WWII the German (and I guess Austrian?) Governments were quick to ban all things Nazi - Nazi symbolism e.g. use of the Swastika and Nazi sites e.g. the bunker.

- I wonder why this building escaped destruction before now?
- Is there any evidence its being used as a 'Nazi shrine'?

But at the end of the day if feeble minded people want to associate with Nazi's then the existence of a building or not isn't going to make much difference.
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Hate is overflowing right now.

It's up to all of us to slow down the flow...[:)]
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warspite1

To my mind the strange thing is why now? I mean following WWII the German (and I guess Austrian?) Governments were quick to ban all things Nazi - Nazi symbolism e.g. use of the Swastika and Nazi sites e.g. the bunker.

- I wonder why this building escaped destruction before now?

My thoughts too. With the exception that my thoughts are, by default, more sophisticated and erudite. [;)]

I wonder if it had something to do with the recent 'hard liner' Austrian election rerun and efforts to remove all conflated comparisons to the last 'hard liner' from Austria that most people think of.
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To my mind the strange thing is why now? I mean following WWII the German (and I guess Austrian?) Governments were quick to ban all things Nazi - Nazi symbolism e.g. use of the Swastika and Nazi sites e.g. the bunker.

- I wonder why this building escaped destruction before now?

My thoughts too. With the exception that my thoughts are, by default, more sophisticated and erudite. [;)]
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I think it's pathetic, to be quite honest! Must have better things to go spend their money on? It won't stop people going there to see the town he was born in, rather than the building itself. Maybe they'll rip the town down next, or rename it. This all ended 70 years ago!
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I think it's pathetic, to be quite honest! Must have better things to go spend their money on? It won't stop people going there to see the town he was born in, rather than the building itself. Maybe they'll rip the town down next, or rename it. This all ended 70 years ago!
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Why stop there.






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warspite1:
The malodorous runt is dead, but sadly his stench lives on......
MakeeLearn:
Why stop there.

warspite:

Okay then, how about:
The malodorous runt is dead, but sadly his stench lives on [adopts best Miranda Richardson 'Queenie' voice] and it's a bit pooh smelly!
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Looks like they are not stopping there, it is going to be remodeled into :

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A couple weeks after his birth, the whole Hitler family moved within Braunau, and left Braunau 3 years later. In 1938, this house was purchased by - Martin Bormann. Just 4 months after the Anschluss, it was placed under "heritage" by the Nazis as "birthplace of the Führer and Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler", and turned into a "cultural centre" complete with a gallery and library.

In 1952, this house was handed back to the original owners (pre-Bormann), the Pommer's, and because the building dates back to the 17th century, it was again put under heritage protection, the facade as part of the historic city centre. At the same time as the restitution of the house, it was rented by the Republic of Austria and put to various uses, including as library, as bank, and as a school building. The latest use was, from 1977 to 2011, as a home and workplace for people with disabilities. Since then, it is empty. One reason why it is no longer in use as home and workplace is the refusal by the current owner, Mrs. Gerlinde Pommer, to grant permission for necessary renovations and rebuildings inside the house to adapt it to the needs of disabled persons. The Republic tried to purchase this house, but negotiations ended without result. Now, there's a bill under discussion in Parliament to seize the house.

*** All above is taken from current local newspaper articles and from Wikipedia, everything below are completely my own words ***

As it's often the case in Austria, when politicians don't know what to do, a commission is put in charge to make recommendations. And here the current fuss started; our Minister of the Interior, Mr. Wolfgang Sobotka, apparently is either unable to read and understand what's written, or hasn't read the report of this commission at all. He said in tv he is "following the recommendation of the commission to tear down this house". Bad luck for Sobotka, nowhere in the report the commission recommended this. (Some background info, Sobotka is a inexperienced minister who was "promoted" away from Niederösterreich (an Austrian province) by the local Landeshauptmann (something like a governor) Erwin Pröll, into the coalition government of Austria, apparently to prevent Sobotka to inherit Pröll's own position. Both have one thing in common, they like to frequently appear on telly, to pompously announce they'll do something this or that. And the difference between them both, Pröll almost always delivers - and Sobotka almost always fails to...)

Here's the complete document, sadly for most of you guys [:D] it's in German only;

http://www.bmi.gv.at/cms/cs03documentsbmi/1908.pdf

What the commission recommended is in the last paragaph, Empfehlungen.

#1 is "to use it for caritative or administrative purposes",
#2 is "to use it in such a way that no association with the person Adolf Hitler or identification with national-socialism is possible, which could be possible if it is to be used as a museum."
#3 is to rebuild the house in such a way that it looks completely different, and thus removes the "symbol"

See, no recommendation to tear it down, #3 comes very close, but rebuilding it to make it look completely different (in other words, to radically change the facade) is not synonymous with tearing down a building.


My own opinion about this whole thing;

Part of National-Socialism was a extreme persona cult - and that's probably why this bloody house is also in the focus by Neo-Nazis. This is also why it could be a problem to use the house now as a commemorative site, because it would also attract the wrong people (see last paragraph, down below).

Whether this house is still standing or not, the fact that Hitler was born in Braunau am Inn, on 20th April 1889, must not - and cannot - be erradicated. Frankly, I think that little Adolf, at the age of 3 yrs when his family left Braunau for good, had other things in mind than Lebensraum or genocide, in his case the annihilation of the Jews. Unless one thinks that being a mass murderer - and worse - is predetermined in the genes or in toddler's age, his birth-house is of no relevance to his later deeds. Hitler developed his .... how to call it... "mindset" at other places, Vienna being one example, among others.

The best places to remember Adolf Hitler and all what this malodorus runt stands for, are places such as Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, or Mauthausen. I would recommend to carefully tear down this house, brick by brick, and then rebuild it, brick by brick, in one of the remaining concentration camps, now used as museums and commemorative sites of course, best suited would be in my view Mauthausen because it is also in Austria. THERE, all those on-living stench, i.e. those misguided sorry examples of humanity who still admire Hitler and the Nazis and identify themselves with National-Socialism, could touch a stone of the birthhouse of their beloved "Führer" - and at the same time they could also get some education into their apparently empty brains (but which, sadly, will be of no use, those people are, I fear, immune to education, but at least it could be worth a try).




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Thank you Hotschi-Andreas for the info and perspective! [:)]
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#2 is "to use it in such a way that no association with the person Adolf Hitler or identification with national-socialism is possible, which could be possible if it is to be used as a museum."


I vote for a modified version of this option except that it should be a reminder of the historical significance of his birthplace. Its stupid to erase history based upon the fallacies of socalled "political correctness" & "hate". Europe has greater problems at the moment.
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Its stupid to erase history

Could not agree more. Less than 50 years after the end of WWII an already large number of holocaust deniers existed in the world. Now as political correctness strives to erase anything and everything deemed stressful to someones feelings from the public record, the end result will be within another 50 years People will state Hitler was some kind of hero as there is no evidence to back up the "insane" claims of the holocaust.

History is messy and sometimes history is ugly. Ignoring or erasing it will only rob future generations of the chance to learn from past mistakes. Just like free speech requires the worst kind of speech be protected to ensure the freedom for anyone to speak ones mind, the worst of our history should be preserved to learn from and provide context for the world that exists today.

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The destruction of historically relevant buildings or monuments is of no help in deterring future dictators or dysfunctional movements. Only objective civil institutions and an equitable society can hope to mitigate the effects of ignorance and unbridled political ambition for it own ends.

Historical buildings and monuments are reference points to living history. If we destroyed all of those that have negative connotations the world would indeed be a flatter place than it already is.
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