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RE: TriumphReich - 2/25/2017 12:02:58 AM   
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Rather than use manpower (of which I am not particularly enamoured) to limit each Regime’s military, the intention was to use raw to limit how much Regimes could build in a turn, oil to limit how many armour/air/naval forces could be active in a turn, and supply to ultimately restrict the sustainable size of a nation’s military.

At the start of the game the major powers already have substantial forces at their command and allowing unlimited builds would make the game unmanageable and so I had hoped that supply would provide a natural brake on overproduction. That limit should apply to all regimes. In most of the games I have played it has been Germany that started to become stretched first, with Russia not too far behind. Of course the current game situation is important. Have the Axis managed to capture a lot of Russian territory/cities in your game?

If you feel the current supply limit is both unrealistic and significantly detracts from playing enjoyment, I would consider making changes. Ideally, if you were able to send me a save made during your turn I could get a better appreciation of the situation. Please PM me if you would like me to investigate.

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RE: TriumphReich - 2/25/2017 3:00:52 PM   
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Others may disagree but just speaking for myself Icym, I think the raw/oil/supply model you have used is quite realistic. In the game we are currently playing I (US/British) have been
shipping supply to the Russians via convoys to Murmansk. Since the Western allies have gone into invasion mode in the past few turns however this has tapered off somewhat and I think
that is what LJBurstyn may be referring to.

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RE: TriumphReich - 3/1/2017 2:52:56 AM   
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Anybody know whats happened to Larry? His turns up and its been well over a week.

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RE: TriumphReich - 3/1/2017 5:40:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: falco
Anybody know whats happened to Larry? His turns up and its been well over a week.


Sorry for the delay. Its me who has to play his turns. Had been away for some days. I am back now and have already played the German turn. But it takes a while. There are a lot of uninvited guests on my territory.

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RE: TriumphReich - 3/1/2017 5:56:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: falco
Others may disagree but just speaking for myself Icym, I think the raw/oil/supply model you have used is quite realistic.


You are right, it is realistic. And that is what ICYM intended. But I agree with Larry that it is not really satisfying.

I had reported earlier that Axis easily runs out of oil and cannt use all the motorized units that it can build. Meanwhile some research breakthrough improved the oil supply. But this effect is very low with regards to the requests. I transferred oil plants from other nations. Now Germany has enough oil, SS had enough all the time and Axis minors have few but can handle it more or less. But now Italy nearly has run out of oil and has become unable to fight. So for Axis it is too few in sum.

I had already reduced my factory outputs. It looks like Larry has kept the production high and now runs into supply shortness like I had run into oil shortness. Reducing the factory or recruitment center output is a way to handle this. But it feels strange to lower production and leave a lot of capacity unused. For some turns I had put a lot of tanks and infantry into two big containers and set them to 50 percent supply. So I had some reserve but had not too high requests of supply.

Increasing supply or oil is not a good solution. Germany and SU have deployed too much units already. Along the river that runs from Riga to Smolensk we are sitting each one on his side of the river unable to cross it due to immense amounts of infantry and other stuff on the other side. It is a kind of WW I situation where frontlines are frozen and noone is able to move. It lasts for more than ten turns now.

Less production would force each player to look where to concentrate his forces. We would no longer be able to build walls of infantry and support units and keep each other from any advance. Less units with some concentration on some parts of the front and weak defences on other parts would make it far more dynamic.

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RE: TriumphReich - 3/1/2017 6:00:23 PM   
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For example, here is a screenshot of the result of my artillery bombardment of Riga at turn 21. There are hundreds of infantry. Thats why our fronts are blocked. At eastern front there is only some movement in the south (will write an AAR later, too few time at the moment, but save some screenshots already).





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RE: TriumphReich - 3/2/2017 12:49:26 AM   
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Ouch, the game situation as described above is horrible. I can see that it would be unsatisfying.

If I understand the situation correctly, the Russian front has been bogged down between Riga and Smolensk from late 41 to early 43.

Being obsessive, I have kept saves from all my previous games. There have been minor changes to the scenario since the first playtest, but the actual forces on the map were the same in all cases.

I have 5 saved games in which I played the Russians, vs. either one or two opponents (three different opponents in all).

Below is shown the month in which Riga was captured by the Germans, the other column shows the number of infantry casualties the Russians had suffered by the start of the December 1941 Russian turn.


Game Number.............Riga Captured...........Russian infantry casualties, Dec 1941
1.......................April 1942..............3,307
2.......................November 1941...........6,338
3.......................September 1941..........6,641
4.......................August 1941.............8,945
5.......................October 1941............7,395


Game 1 was against a very experienced but somewhat cautious German player, which allowed Russia to keep its losses down and yield territory grudgingly.

Games 2 and 3 were against a very experienced player and were, I thought at the time, fairly representative of how the game would probably play. They also were similar in progress to the four or five solo games I had played.

Games 4 and 5 were against an inexperienced but very aggressive player who didn’t mind taking risks. His casualties were higher, but so were mine.

As the table shows there can be a lot of variation between game results and the current game does not conform to expectations.

In previous games, the forces lost by Russia and the territory captured by the Axis tended to mitigate the resources and supply imbalances. Russian production mostly was devoted to trying to replace losses.

The other possibility of course is that my Russian play in all 5 games was lousy and that Larry is a defensive genius. If so, I tip my cap to him.



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RE: TriumphReich - 3/2/2017 10:21:38 AM   
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Along the river that runs from Riga to Smolensk we are sitting each one on his side of the river unable to cross it due to immense amounts of infantry and other stuff on the other side. It is a kind of WW I situation where frontlines are frozen and noone is able to move. It lasts for more than ten turns now.


Surely this is a situation that requires a bit of lateral thinking? Just sayin......


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RE: TriumphReich - 3/2/2017 3:53:19 PM   
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ICYM has sent me a revised new version of his manual about supply. I have placed in the Dropbox.

He also sent me an analysis of the situation which at this time I choose not to disclose. Part of his analysis was that my (Russian) losses were much less than in some of his test games while my production was much higher. This was part of the problem of my production above my supply system capabilities.

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RE: TriumphReich - 3/5/2017 1:53:10 PM   
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Time to continue the AAR from view of Axis. It looks like the game has come to a turning point and Axis is now pressed into a defensive role. Axis might loose the game now. This is due to the very good performance of my opponents, Falco and Larry, and due to an important mistake I made.

Sovjets (Larry) have successfully stopped the Axis advance in the east. Western allies (Falco) have successfully returned to the continent. Scandinavia is lost completely. The campaign in Africa turns from a successful advance to a halt.

Beside this I made a serious mistake not to use my scientists in a proper way which had caused some drastic effects. Too late I started to use a scientist to improve my oil production. Running short in oil I could not launch all air and ground attacks. Therefore the advance in the east was slower than it could be. As oil was short I reduced production of armor and air units. Having not used my scientists to improve the PP production I could not develop the tech levels fast enough.

Due to the mistake of using scientists properly my forces in the east now have too few armor and the armor is too low in tech level. Guys, read the manual. It is written excellently and would keep you from making the same mistake I made.

The last reports showed the situation in the east somewhen around turn 6, the game is now at turn 22. What happened during the last turns?

The screenshots show the situation in December 41 and 42. The German advance on Riga was stopped along the line Riga – Smolensk. Before the armies Busch (green), Hoth (yellow) and von Kuechler (blue), supported by SS division Eicke, could cross the Daugava river (the German forces were slow in movement due to lack of fuel) the Red Army managed to bring enough forces to the river and dig in. Both sides sending more and more forces to this part of the front, this way making it impossible for both to cross the river. Heavy artillery bombardment from both sides costs several losses. But no decisive weakening of any part of the frontline could be achieved to enable either German or Sovjet forces to attack across the river.

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RE: TriumphReich - 3/5/2017 2:58:12 PM   
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Northwest of Smolensk at a small area between the rivers Daugava and Dnjever the German forces tried to break through the Sovjet lines and encircle Smolensk.(Dec 41)

The breakthrough was soon surrounded by a Sovjet defence line. After few weeks of fighting the German forces were driven back. (Feb 43)

Now Axis line is in danger of being cut into a northern part, running towards Riga, and a southern part running south along the Dnjeper towards Gomel and the eastern edges of the Pripiat swamps. Army groups Hoth (yellow), Strauss (blue) and von Kluge (violett) do their best to hold the line. Army group Hoepner has swung south covering the right flank. Partisans (marked with M in unit symbol) try to disturb the supply lines in the back of the German front.






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RE: TriumphReich - 3/5/2017 3:08:33 PM   
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Having been driven back during summer 43 the German forces began to prepare for a counter offensive of the Red Army and fortified the area between the rivers Daugava and Dnjeper.

In the rear area near Kaunas first fortifications are build up as well.

(Turn 17)




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RE: TriumphReich - 3/7/2017 1:06:23 PM   
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RE: TriumphReich - 3/31/2017 8:41:05 PM   
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This image of two attacks during the battle for Smolensk in July 42 shows how hard both sides fight to hold th e line or to achieve a breakthrough.





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RE: TriumphReich - 3/31/2017 8:46:14 PM   
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The eastern frontline in Feb 43.





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RE: TriumphReich - 3/31/2017 8:57:11 PM   
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Odessa and Crimea front:

In October 42 the combined forces of Germany, Italy and some Balkan nations managed to encircle Odessa.
Please note the back unit symbol of SS armored engineers at the side bar. Their task is to reduce entrenchment of the enemy. They attack eliminated all entrenchments as the grey bar beside the city symbol of Odessa indicates.

(The green ship unit is a Turkish naval group spying for the Sovjets. Turkey is neutral, officially.)




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RE: TriumphReich - 3/31/2017 9:00:08 PM   
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The battle for Odessa is bloody and causes heavy losses on both sides. (Oct 42)





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RE: TriumphReich - 3/31/2017 9:08:46 PM   
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Odessa and Crimea front (spring 43):

After the fall of Odessa the Axis forces advance in direction on Rostov. Sovjet forces do all they can to stop the advance. But as you can see the German forces are few in number. Meanwhile western allies had landed in Denmark, Holland and along the Belgium and French Channel coast. Germany cannt reinforce its eastern armies as much as needed.

Please note the black unit symbol of strategic bombers at the left side. I have given these bombers to SS as they have far more fuel than German regular army. They had attacked an ore supply center near Maikop (right side of the image). The ore supply was destroyed completely.

(Grey sublayer indicates mud.)




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RE: TriumphReich - 4/1/2017 4:22:43 PM   
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War in the West

In August 41 the Oberkommando Luftwaffe started the air war against England.
First waves of attacks were flown by fighters as heavy defence from Royal Air Force was expected. But no RAF fighters appeared, air defensive fire was few. Not really siutable for ground attacks mainly on cities the result of the air raid against Plymouth was poor.

Next months mainly dive bombers performed the air raids, protected by fighter squads. (Again the effect is poor. I have often noticed that dive bombers have far less effect in this scenario than in GD1938 and others. Maybe this is due to the early state of dive bombers and might change when tech level raises. But it has to be mentioned that even the early versions of German dive bombers, mainly the StuKas, had been quite effective.)





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RE: TriumphReich - 4/1/2017 4:29:37 PM   
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War in the West

Encouraged by the success of the Luftwaffe it was decided to build up a strategic bomber command. In summer 42 several attacks against targets in the industrial centers of northwest England were flown. An air factory was destroyed completely, a supply center was heavily damaged.





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RE: TriumphReich - 4/1/2017 4:57:16 PM   
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Soviets have begun a attrition war against the Germans and their allies in the Soviet Union. We are more than replacing our losses but supply is still a major problem.

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RE: TriumphReich - 4/23/2017 11:32:06 AM   
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Would be nice to get this game rolling again. Spanish turn waiting for the German to play for 4 days. Been well over a week since the Western Allies played their last turn. Juergen....are u still around somewhere mate...??

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RE: TriumphReich - 4/24/2017 7:54:19 PM   
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Soviets view. Things are not going well on the Southern front as I cannot move troops to the front lines....have more than 50 units that can only move a few miles a day due to lack of supply. MY air force must be the largest in the world as a maximum effort would use 80000 tons of fuel in a single raid. Thinking of simply disbanding a large portion of my fighters as the Germans don't seem to have enough to really stop my air raids. Further north things are getting bloody but they will continue until the Riga-Smolensk line is finally breached. In Finland my forces continue to push the Finnish and German units back into a corner. More than 60% of the Russian-Axis line seems to be falling or already fallen into trench warfare. The Germans cannot win a trench war against the Russians. And the Russians will lose millions of men pushing the Germans and their allies back to the starting line.

So I offer a truce of sorts. The Germans will retreat back to the Odessa area in the South. And we will accept a cease fire.

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RE: TriumphReich - 5/1/2017 1:18:29 AM   
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Dec, 1943, Western Front.

The initial euphoria over the Allied landings in Northern Europe has now abated somewhat. The apparent confusion and surprise of the Germans when the landings occurred has given way to an apparent grim determination to hold ground no matter what the cost. The British & Canadians now occupy ground stretching from west of Hamburg down to Essen and across to Rotterdam. The Canadians in particular have taken a fearful beating in the role of holding the southern flank north of Rotterdam, mainly from huge formations of German artillery plus from newly introduced Tiger II tanks. The Americans currently hold the Danish Peninsula including Copenhagen and Lolland Island. However the advance has stalled in recent months due to the Germans blowing bridges around the Elbe River region, effectively reducing the mobility of the US armoured formations to zero. These geographical features of the area appear to have been overlooked by the Allied planners of the invasion. US engineers who have managed to get to the bridge areas have found their attempts to build pontoons stymied by German artillery and aircraft and have taken considerable losses.

The Germans hold two key cities in this area – Kiel and Hamburg. Capturing these will be crucial to the American advance. Kiel in particular controls a vital bridge that must be repaired if the American advance is to continue. The US Air Force gave the city a frightful pounding this month – German losses included numbers of medium tanks and artillery formations. However the German ground forces there remain stubborn and well dug in. Also US fighters attacked the main German airfield west of Rostock and shot down a significant number of Luftwaffe fighters and dive-bombers with very light losses.

In the south, US forces now control a small but vital area that includes Antwerp, Calais and the just abandoned Brussels. US infantry just advanced to the north of Reims this month but risk becoming isolated by powerful armoured formations west of the area. However the risk has to be taken….the war wont be won by digging in and defending. The fight has to be taken to the Germans despite the losses. US strategic bombers again pounded the city of Lille with heavy losses thanks to Luftwaffe fighter interception and heavy concentrations of AA in the area. Unfortunately the effect of heavy Allied bombers in this campaign has been negligible at best thus far. The Germans have spent considerable resources in the past on placing heavy AA batteries all over France and the northern countries.

The Canadians launched an assault on a fortified concentration of artillery an AT batteries south of Rotterdam. The assault was unsuccessful but forward elements did manage to link up with Mark Clarkes US forces south of Rotterdam. The German artillery and AA units left in the Hague and Amsterdam are now completely isolated.


North Africa and the Mediterranean,

Here the situation is somewhat more comfortable. Aust and New Zealand units now occupy Crete and Syros. The Germans attempted to retake Crete but were smashed by allied F/Bs and heavy tanks. Greece has been invaded by the Australian & Nzers under the command of General McKay. These forces are now gradually moving towards Athens. Several units of axis fighters were destroyed on the ground by McKay’s heavy artillery last month. German U-boats attempting to blockade the supply port in the south were attacked by allied dive-bombers with heavy losses to the U-boats. Africa Korps Italian units still are entrenched in locations east of Benghazi in N.Africa. They have been hit hard by Allied airpower in recent months and look to have little or no offensive capability.

Algeria and Morocco have once again been regained by the French since the Allied landings in France. General DeGaulle has installed his headquarters in Casablanca and is gathering his forces for what will probably be an eventual assault on Tunisia. French fighters and dive-bombers attacked a small German collection of units in Oran inflicting some losses. French infantry and artillery are now advancing toward Oran also.

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RE: TriumphReich - 5/20/2017 1:59:33 PM   
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The attrition against the Germans in Russia is beginning to show results. Also the disbanding of more than 12 fighter groups has resulted in a better (but still not great) supply situation. The German Luftwaffe appears totally missing in my air attacks. One small air battle where my fighters outnumbered the superior German fighters by 10 to 1 and losses were reflected in the outcome. More troops are approaching the German lines in the South so I expect we will shortly stop the German advances in the area--maybe even cut off the advance as we attack the northern flank of their advance. Losses are still heavier than the Germans but our army is larger and I am producing more soldiers each month than I lose (which is not helping my supply situation). The American supply is most welcome and will be put to good use. It is hard to predict how many soldiers I will lose and produce only that amount in replacements.

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RE: TriumphReich - 5/24/2017 11:44:57 PM   
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Another report on the Russian front.

Troops in Finland are making great advances against the Finnish and German Armies. Germans appear to be making a line south of Riga on the Kaunas River. Further South the Russians are establishing a line from the Black Sea to Riga area.

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RE: TriumphReich - 5/30/2017 12:01:05 AM   
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Still another report from the Russian Front.

The Russian commander is really watching his back. With losses like this he expects to find himself DEAD at any minute. Lost over 600 rifle and SMG units in just a few battles to less than 100 for the Germans. UGH.

But I managed to capture Helsinki...and am making progress in driving out the Axis units from Finland.

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RE: TriumphReich - 6/10/2017 7:49:33 PM   
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Managed to hold onto life this month by killing a lot more Axis than I lost. Finland is now free of Axis units. ANd even managed to find and destroy some troops while they were on troopships (So sorry--not really). Rostov is about to be cut off from the rest of the Axis Army. And my main line is about to get several units from the former Finland battle fronts. My partisans seem to be having a good time destroying rail lines cutting off supplies from the Axis lines.

Sure would be nice if someone else made some comments.

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RE: TriumphReich - 6/10/2017 8:07:43 PM   
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I can make a comment, but I am probably not the person you want to do so. In any case: Good job getting Finland cracked, sinking those ships with troops on them (nothing feels better, almost), and wrecking havoc in the rear with the partisans. :)

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RE: TriumphReich - 6/27/2017 12:39:01 PM   
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North-West Europe, Aug,1944.

The Allied advance in France and the Low Countries continues but only just. In the NW the US attack there has all been but abandoned because of strong German defence and the difficult terrain.
The Germans continue to hold onto Keil and Hamburg with grim determination. Further south, British attempts to push past the German city of Bremen have been thwarted at every turn by
massed artillery and small but lethal groups of heavy tank destroyers and Tiger II tanks. There have been some modest gains north of Essen made by elements of British forces under the
command of Montgomery and Lumsden but there still look to be very strong SS armoured units east of Essen and around Dusseldorf. Only in the very south in the Ardennes and around the city of
Lille are the Americans in that sector making anything like what could be called an advance. Artillery and US dive-bombers gave the German units there a good pasting this time
around. It looks likely they will have to make a retreat in that area soon. In the Channel Islands, US and Canadian battleships gave the German defenders there a fearful pounding and it
now looks like US troops will be able to over-run whats left of the defenders there within the month. In Southern France, French resistance fighters look to be making good on their promises
to make life difficult for the Germans. Many railroads blown up now which cant be making life easy for the German supply situation in the region. Last but not least, German artillery, AT and
infantry continue to put up almost fanatical resistance in the Hague and Amsterdam areas. The Canadians unfortunately again took heavy losses trying to storm these citidals. On a more
encouraging note, combined US and British fighter groups paid particular attention to the small but the growing menace of the new Me262s and flew repeated sorties over airbases where these fighters are
located. US battleships also bombarded Me262 airbases east of Hamburg. Significant losses were inflicted on the new Nazi wonder-fighters.

North Africa and the Mediterranean.

British armour and artillery, combined with Australian infantry have literally decimated the Italians in North Africa and they (the Italians) are in full retreat heading for Tripoli. It will be doubtful that
any of them will make it there though. French forces are heading for a showdown with the Germans in Tunisia. However logistic problems continue to plague the French and it may be a
month or two before the combined French forces are ready for a full-blown assault. British Battle-Cruisers have bombarded Tunis for some months now. Athens in Greece was attacked by Commonwealth
artillery and fighter-bombers and significant casualties were inflicted on the German forces there. Allied forces are massing south of Athens for an assault, hopefully within
a few weeks. German forces in Greece have been curiously ineffective, with the terrain being a much bigger factor in determining the rate of Allied advance.

All in all, its difficult to see the Germans fully recovering from the advances the Allies have made in the West and from the counter-attacks the Russians have made in the East. It appears now the
sheer weight of numbers against them will eventually bleed them dry. Having said that though, its fair to say that thus far, the German defence has been superb. It did appear at one point, shortly
after the landings in the West, that US & Brit soldiers were going to be in Berlin in mere months but however that was not to be. They made very efficient use of the terrain and that, combined with
their superior armour (and now aircraft) has been enough to slow the Allied advance in the West to a crawl.






Current situation in North Africa/ME











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