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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 8/22/2016 8:00:43 PM   
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You did a superb job but Manstein also did some mistakes. The german infantry isn't enough concentrated.

The key is, german inf breaks/soften the frontline, pzd finishes the job and then mot exploits.

And then the encirclement éliminates soviet units making further encirclements easier.

I'm turn 10 as russian against Bozo and I'm sure that you have 30/40 more inf divs than me...

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 8/22/2016 10:20:38 PM   
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Sending 2 Panzer Groups in to the Valdai is the problem here. Great if it gets you Leningrad early, but can blow up in your face if you get stuck in a slugfest. Sean's move is delayed as is contemplating some major decisions. I am guessing he is tossing up whether to keep persisting with the right hook or not and as to where he sends 2nd and 5th Panzer.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 8/25/2016 10:01:41 PM   
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End Soviet Turn 13 – 11th September 1941 (Clear)

Not a lot to report this turn. The strategic direction of the Hitlerites has not changed. The bash and barge around Lake Ilmen continues along with general grinding across the front. Very few withdrawals on our part. The odd counterattack here and there to push back some singular incursions. I now have 9 Gd divisions. 3 of them on the Janis front where the Finnish assaults continue unabated.

No sight of 2nd or 5th Panzer yet. If I were a betting man I would put my money on them turning up with PzGp 2 to assist with the AGC operations around Vyzama/Tula. They will surely appear somewhere next turn.

My airforce is quite rundown. Subsequently my bombing campaign against his spearheads is diminished. When we get to the mud turns I will totally reorganize it.





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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 8/27/2016 12:50:47 PM   
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Russia clearly still is over powered in an expert players hands.

People forget you and a dozen of other Russian experts were winning back in the day when all the fuel exploits were working.
You guys never lost record was like 100+ wins zero losses and the wins were very similar to this games front lines.

Only a handful of German players were even able to take Leningrad.

Your skills as Russia dispite the rust remain very good.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 8/31/2016 11:09:12 PM   
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End Soviet Turn 14 – 18th Sept 1941 (Clear)

The Finns keep on with their attacks on the Janis line. We hold them again.

At Leningrad some change in direction and deployments from the hun. It would appear the Germans have withdrawn 3rd PG from the Leningrad battles and sent them south on a drive toward Rhzev. Meanwhile 4th PG keep up with the attacks around lake Ilmen but now are driving north to the west and east of the lake. They momentarily had a bridgehead over the Msta (east of lake Ilmen) but we threw them back (a lone SS Cav Reg). The western prong drives toward Novgorod.

2nd PG has been reinforced with mech units from AGS and is driving hard in the area between Vyzama and Tula.

Stavka has reacted to the German moves by sliding the armies east of Lake Ilmen south and railing an Army from the Valdai to the vicinity of Vyzama, and virtually all reinforcements have been sent in to the front to deal with the threats from 2nd and 3rd PG around the Moscow district.

In the south 1st PG keeps grinding east and surrounds Kharkov. A relieving attack with over 100K men thrown against a weak Mot Division fails to break the ring.

To end with some good news, more Guards Divisions have formed and we now have around 16 of them.





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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 8/31/2016 11:43:46 PM   
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Forgot to add that I still have no clue as to the location of 2nd and 5th Panzer?? I have lost scores of recon a/c trying to locate them.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/1/2016 7:29:58 PM   
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Forgot to add that I still have no clue as to the location of 2nd and 5th Panzer?? I have lost scores of recon a/c trying to locate them.


I don't think it matters at this point.

He has his tanks spread all across the front, when they should be in 1 or 2 panzer balls by now.

I have no idea what he is tring to do.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/1/2016 10:42:59 PM   
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We have the greatest minds in the Soviet Union working on what is going on in the OKH, but alas we still have no clue, perhaps the esteemed and renowned strategist the 'Hitman' could cast some light...

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/5/2016 10:53:41 PM   
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End Soviet Turn 15 – 25th September 1941 (Clear)

Strange events transpire in the north, the Finns after attacking the Janis line incessantly since around T6 suddenly stop. And 4th PG halt their northern advance to swing south east and drive toward Lake Seliger into the heart of the Valdai. It would appear that Leningrad is off the Nazi radar for the time being.

In the centre 2nd and 3rd PG continue the drive toward Moscow trapping several Soviet formations. We are forced to give up some ground between Rhzev and Vyazma so we can straighten and thicken our lines.

We also are forced to give up ground between Tula and Kursk. The units remaining in this area just not strong enough to face the enemy as too many units have been drawn off to the north and south to cover other more critical fronts.

In the south Kharkov falls but the line from south of Kharkov to the Crimea remains relatively stable as it has for the past 3 or 4 turns.





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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/5/2016 10:54:46 PM   
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Rest of the front.




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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/5/2016 11:14:39 PM   
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This game looks like a total bust for your opponent. You should easily qualify for the 1942 sudden death victory condition.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/5/2016 11:32:21 PM   
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Yes, I think he will struggle to avoid the 42 Sudden Death conditions, unless there is a very big breakthrough for him soon.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/6/2016 12:58:15 AM   
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Just noticed that your air combat losses are only 3 to 1!...you must doing something right.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/6/2016 2:02:27 AM   
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The air war has been brutal. Pleasing is the operational strength of the Luftwaffe, under 2K. Goering shot himself in the foot a few times sending up unescorted missions, resulting in scores of downed nazi bombers and high morale soviet fighters.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/10/2016 2:46:25 AM   
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End Soviet T16 2nd Oct 1941 (Clear)

All quiet on the Janis front. The Finns must have finally been hurting after 16 or so unsuccessful full scale attacks on the same hex…

Not so good news in the Valdai. The Hun has trapped around 20 divisions in a pincer operation between 4th and 3rd PG.

2nd PG has been reinforced with 2nd and 5th Panzer (as I thought would be the case) and has made deepish penetrations in the Vyazma/Kaluga region. I may well lose another bunch of divisions here as I have refused to withdraw from the salient formed by the advancing Hitlerites.

In the south not much to report. Just the continuing grind east.

The Soviet OOB hits 5 million but this may well dip down again sharply if I lose 40 odd divisions in the Valdai and the Vyazma region. But the mud turns are close so I should be able to recover these loses in time for the final snow offensive in November.





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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/11/2016 2:41:45 AM   
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WoW is the game so unbalanced for the Russian side to win so easly?







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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/11/2016 2:59:07 AM   
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Don't let bad decisions turn into a debate over balance. Running headlong into Lake Ilmen isn't winning rave reviews at this point.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/11/2016 4:16:32 PM   
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Don't let bad decisions turn into a debate over balance. Running headlong into Lake Ilmen isn't winning rave reviews at this point.


True after all the logistics cuts its impossible even vs and average Russian player.


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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/11/2016 6:25:00 PM   
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True after all the logistics cuts its impossible even vs and average Russian player. ??

Maybe... True, after all the logistics cuts its impossible, even vs. an average Russian player.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/12/2016 12:29:20 AM   
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True after all the logistics cuts its impossible even vs and average Russian player. ??

Maybe... True, after all the logistics cuts its impossible, even vs. an average Russian player.








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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/13/2016 11:13:39 PM   
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End Soviet T17 9th Oct 1941 (Clear)

The end of the 1941 summer campaign (maybe). Fairly quiet on the Leningrad front. I begin the process of withdrawing my Guard RD’s from the Janis line.

The noose around the Lake Seliger pocket is now an iron ring. Before it closed completely we slipped out some troops and moved in an airbase. Supplies were flown in so the pocket might survive the mud season with luck. All up 11 RD, 1 Cav and 1 Tank X are doomed.

East of Moscow the Hun are content to take Vyazma and cut off another 2 RD plus bash up the odd hex or two, the MLR is stable.

From Tula to Kharkov not much to report other than grinding.

But trouble south of Kharkov. The Panzers must have finally gotten some gas. So the Hun make a B-line for Stalino bashing in the front to the extent of some 40 miles. Very reluctantly I relinquish my grip on Z-Town and the last few hexes of the Dnepr bend. Damn it. To try and hang on would have presented too great a risk. So we pull back and have to give up a big chunk of territory. Reinforcements are being poured in to the area between the Hun spearhead and Stalino. Stalino must be held. Stalin has ordered it.

Even though this game is random weather there was not a single mud turn all summer. So I think the weather Gods are smiling on Sean and I am wary of a surprise clear turn popping up in the October mud period.

There won’t be anymore maps now till the snow weather or unless he lucks out with a clear turn in this supposed mud phase. Just written reports for a while. Also Sean will be away for a couple of weeks without access to the game so things will be on hold for a while.

Stavka won’t be idle though….





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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/13/2016 11:14:40 PM   
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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/14/2016 6:37:14 PM   
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WoW is the game so unbalanced for the Russian side to win so easly?








MT is playing an inexperienced opponent.

My game as R vs MT is better evidence that game is still unbalanced in favour of the Nazis. I'm surprised (or not) that you haven't said so

Actually, neither proposition is evidenced by either game

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/14/2016 6:58:18 PM   
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These two games show us (again) that the exp/skill/knowledge of game mechanics of the players is to determine the outcome.

IMO, the game is itself is well balanced. advantage Sov, yes, but they did win the war.
Axis players can really make things "difficult".

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/14/2016 9:43:43 PM   
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These two games show us (again) that the exp/skill/knowledge of game mechanics of the players is to determine the outcome.

IMO, the game is itself is well balanced. advantage Sov, yes, but they did win the war.
Axis players can really make things "difficult".


+1 I completely agree.

morveal has made a weak unplayable game GREAT.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/14/2016 10:25:09 PM   
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I realized too late that this Manstein (Sean, and a relative novice) was not the same Manstein (a crusty vet) I knew from the early days. But still it's been fun. And at least with Sudden Death his pain will be short lived.

As for balance, I think it's as close as it ever has been. Games between players of significant unequal skill will result in the better player winning.

As for games between players of equal skill the balance still favors the Reds for novices and below. Beyond those levels the decision about the mild or stock blizzard is a critical pathway. As a Russian player I would not ever agree to playing with mild blizzard against a top German. Suicidal IMO.

So IMO a game between two top players with stock blizzard would result in the most unpredictable outcome. I don't think this has ever been the case since release.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/14/2016 10:52:02 PM   
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As for games between players of equal skill the balance still favors the Reds for novices and below. Beyond those levels the decision about the mild or stock blizzard is a critical pathway. As a Russian player I would not ever agree to playing with mild blizzard against a top German. Suicidal IMO.


Fortunately there are no top German players out there that require mild blizzard. Well maybe one.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/15/2016 10:17:16 PM   
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Turn 18 is mud right across the front. The two RD pocket east of Vyazma surrenders. Thanks to the airhead supply the Lake Seliger pocket held out against at least 10 assaults. The airfield hex itself came under heavy attack but held on. More supplies will be flown in. It would be cool if this pocket could hold on till the snow. No other action to report and Sean is on a break and won't be back till the 30th Sept.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 9/28/2016 1:40:30 AM   
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T18 Done (23rd Oct) Mud. Soviet OOB hits 5.2 million. Sean will be back in a couple of days so this game will get moving again soon.

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RE: Razing the Reich II (no Manstein63) - 10/6/2016 10:34:15 PM   
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Sean is back and the game is moving along again.

T19, 23rd Oct 1941 ended without incident as it was mud right across the front. Some concern for next turn though as predicted weather for Central Russia is snow! So much for the mud season...

The weather Gods are certainly sympathetic to the hun in this one, no mud at all during the summer and now it looks like some snow in the mud season. These days, any German who prefers non random weather is nuts.

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